Does the P4 possibly mean the end to OC`ing for Intel cpu`s

[Bartman39]

With the multiplier locked on an Intel cpu this does not look good????


The P4 has a 100 MHz front-size bus that uses quad-pumped data (effectively QDR) to move 3.2 GBytes per second to the processor. Similar to the Athlon 100 MHz DDR FSB that is effectively 200 MHz of data, the P4's FSB transfers data at an incredible 400 MHz. As a side note, this does not bode well for overclockers. We saw a hard limit of about 110 MHz with the Athlon designs, which was pretty tough to get by. The increased precision required for DDR and QDR data transfers means that overclocking may be quite limited as clock signals become increasingly messy as they run farther out of spec. The 3.2 GB throughput is the same as the peak transfer rate of the dual Direct Rambus DRAM subsystem. It will be interesting to see if DRAM performs better with a CPU architecture it is designed for from the ground up.


This came from Game PC

 

[ChrisOh]

yes

 

[Dulanic]

It wont be for AMD IMO. Asus is claiming to offer a FSB that goes up to 180 (360 DDR) on their AMD 760 DDR board. For intel yes it is until Intel gets better yields on their P4.... supposedly their yields are low and thats why they decided to sell a 1.3Ghz P4.

 

[beat mania]

They want to sell 1.3 GHz because of marketing, not because of yield. They want to move P3 up and P4 down and have it converge at some frequency. I guess they think it looks strange to have a jump from 1 GHz to 1.4 GHz.

 

[Redwingsguy]

Hey ya never know! Maybe theyd find you can cross the L1 bridges with a soft graphite penicil like before and stil be able to do it! And you havent heard about the low end lines for the P4! Remember how the P2's didn't OC well but its celerons did! Just because we saw a good line of P3 OCing doesnt mean its always gonna happen!

 

[JellyBaby]

<< Just because we saw a good line of P3 OCing doesnt mean its always gonna happen! >>

Redwingsguy,

Imagine if your favorite car maker decided to seal your hood and allow only certified mechanics to work on your engine. Think you and others might be upset? There would be outrage, rioting in the streets and eventually the nation would return to the dark ages. Well, that same principle holds true for the P4.

 

[Redwingsguy]

I'm take a wedge to it and unweld it

 

[Syborg1211]

I am glad I have a sister at Intel that will be able to get me a chip(unlocked) woohoo. An unlocked P4 should kick some major butt.

 

[Bartman39]

Now with a little input to this situation... Could there be much better ram on the horizon or will chipset`s allow for different combinations like the VIA &amp; 815 chipsets between fsb speeds and ram speeds??? Also I wonder since there will be different clock speeds availible for the same cores (.018 &amp; .013) should you be able to overclock a lower mhz processor anyhow???


A little more fuel to the fire....

 

[ModemMix]

Everyone keeps talking about the inability of the current duron/tbird to support beyond a 110 mhz fsb. I think thats BS, i belive it to be the current chipsets that are the limiting factor It goes to show that if the ddr 266 chips will be running at 133 mhz fsb and there will be no changes to the duron/tbird process or core, that implies that many durons and tbirds are capable of 133 or better fsb. There was alot of talk about the limit of the current chipsets in the realm of fsb support a while back and more then a few fingers were pointed at AMD using intel like tactics to limit the ability of the fsb overclock.
I dont know if i buy into this AMD conspiracy to hide the higher fsb support of the chips, but it has been proven that more then a few of the current crop of duron/tbird chips, especialy the lower clocked durons will function at 133 mhz fsb on the upcoming ddr chipsets that support the 266 fsb.

The fact that the p4 is quad pumping the bus may make the AMD fsb comparison compleatly irrelavent because of the diffrence in arcatecture, however i belive if its capable to overclock the bus of a DDR fsb system them it should be if not on a smaller scale a real posibilty that intels p4 chips will show some overclockability.

The debate about what chip will be the end of the overclocked intel processor has been raging for a few years and i think it will be renewed with the next chip after the p4. Untill they hard code the fsb as they have done the multiplier there will always be room for some overclocking.


ModemMix