Does the next generation value the sacrifice of war?

[shadow9d9]

Additionally, while NJ has the highest per student funding, most of it is wasted in management and little actually reaches the students. See? It is called being critical of your surroundings. Also, Maine is not very "liberal" from my understanding, so that would explain your similar views to southerners.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nice sig shadow, are you some how implying that because you came from New Jersey and New York that you are superior to the guys from the south?

Since you don?t know, but I to have a ?northern? education. Went to school in Maine. And yet I share many of the same values of the southerners you mention in your signature.

Just because you come from NJ or NY doesn?t mean your ideas a right or better, just different.

Thank you for your appreciation of my sig. I think it is important, when debating with people, to know where they are coming from in terms of perspective. Believe it or not, location has a huge effect on what your perspective is. Do you deny this?

Btw, I do not believe that "education" from public schools really has much effect on people.. most people learn very little from school besides learning to hate what is forced upon them(often is- Shakespeare, "classics", etc.). Schooling(not counting medical schools and other specialty schools) really are used to weed out those unwilling to put in effort into their work. It is laughable how easy it is to graduate from high school/college.

The color of your skin has a huge effect on what your perspective is, maybe you should keep track of that was well.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nice sig shadow, are you some how implying that because you came from New Jersey and New York that you are superior to the guys from the south?

Since you don?t know, but I to have a ?northern? education. Went to school in Maine. And yet I share many of the same values of the southerners you mention in your signature.

Just because you come from NJ or NY doesn?t mean your ideas a right or better, just different.

Thank you for your appreciation of my sig. I think it is important, when debating with people, to know where they are coming from in terms of perspective. Believe it or not, location has a huge effect on what your perspective is. Do you deny this?

Btw, I do not believe that "education" from public schools really has much effect on people.. most people learn very little from school besides learning to hate what is forced upon them(often is- Shakespeare, "classics", etc.). Schooling(not counting medical schools and other specialty schools) really are used to weed out those unwilling to put in effort into their work. It is laughable how easy it is to graduate from high school/college.

The color of your skin has a huge effect on what your perspective is, maybe you should keep track of that was well.

Maybe in your opinion. Not in mine. Surroundings/environment are very important in perspectives. Feel free to disagree. You have that right.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Regardless.

Irregardless=not a word.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: techs
This whole thread is balderdash.
Americans signed up for the military in droves after 9-11.
Americans are willing to fight and die to protect our country.
It is not surprising that Eastwoods films are not getting the box office they were expected to get. Americans are disgusted by the lead up to the Iraq war, and an administration that has repeatedly lied about its reasons. Americans are disgusted by the totally inept leadership we have in fighting in Iraq. And Americans are disgusted by the cavalier attitude towards American deaths by the rich and privileged.
No, Americans fully understand the value of sacrifice of war. And they are willing to make sacrifices. For anything resembling the right reasons. Its just that Iraq is the wrong reason.

This whole thread is balderdash. -- wow look at the pot calling the kettle black

Thus thread IMO is far superior in content than anything you have ever posted!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This was written by the former head of the Motion Picture Associate of America. Anyone who watched the Oscars will remember this guy and his usually boring speeches.

I think he makes a good point about the next generation and their indifference to war and the sacrifices made by our soldiers.

Let's see if we can keep this thread on topic and not turn it into yet another bash Bush about Iraq thread. He does make some interesting points.
Highest among them, does the young generation of American appreciate the sacrifices of those who came before them?
Does the next generation value the sacrifice of war?

There is a piece of sadness that the election failed to debate. It is the lamentable detachment by the young among us to freedom's history.
The press has reported that Clint Eastwood's Flags of Our Fathers, his masterly recreation of courage and fidelity to duty and country exhibited by young Marines in the bloodiest battle of World War II, has gone largely unattended by the youngsters of this day.

Watching this movie, watching ordinary young men performing extraordinary feats of heroism, broke my heart. They put to hazard their own lives not to win medals, but because their country was in danger. Why, then, a casual indifference to this story by so many young people? Maybe it's because we have been so benumbed by war, particularly this Iraq war, and because so few youngsters have worn a uniform. A movie about a battle a half a century ago carries no umbilical connection to them. That's understandable. But it ought not to be.

Perhaps some parents might want to do what I did years ago. When my son was about 14, I took him to Omaha Beach and the Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial in France. We stood on the bluff above the beach in the same spot where Nazi troops had dug in. They had poured rifle, mortar and machine gunfire onto the U.S. troops clambering out of their landing crafts. They cut them down on the sand and in the water that seemed to still run red with the blood flowing so wantonly on that invasion day, June 6, 1944.

Remembering bravery

My son was struck with how close it was from the bluff to the beach. I said, "John it was very close, but remember those young boys never turned back, not one of them. They never turned back. They kept coming."

Then we walked a short distance to the American Cemetery. It is on land a grateful France granted to the United States for use in perpetuity. The Stars and Stripes flies over this cathedral of the dead. We turned our gaze to the grave markers, row upon row upon row, as far as the eye could see. There, I told my son, were buried 9,387 young men, many of whom were in between the ages of 18 and their early 20s, "just a few years older than you are right now," I said.

We walked among the markers laid out in serried ranks. I asked my son to read the inscriptions on those grave markers, the bland finalities of a young warrior's life - name, rank, outfit and the day he died - lives ended before they could be lived.

Debt of gratitude

Finally, I stopped and looked full face at my son. "John, I want you to know why I brought you here." He looked puzzled. I said, "I wanted you to understand that these boys, who never knew you, nonetheless gave you the greatest gift one human can give another. They gave you the gift of freedom. They bought and paid for that gift in blood and bravery. They made it possible for you and millions like you to never have to test your own courage to see how you would react when the dagger is at the nation's belly and death stares you right in the face. You owe them a debt you will never be able to repay."

My son seemed genuinely moved. We never spoke about this again until one day years later, he phoned me. "Dad, last night I saw Saving Private Ryan. You were right. They never turned back, not a one. They kept coming." His voice trembled as he spoke.

Somehow, my own voice cracked a bit with gratitude. My son remembered. May God grant that every boy and girl in this free and loving land never forget the gift of young boys so long ago, a gift given to generations of Americans who were yet to be born.

Jack Valenti flew 51 combat missions in World War II as a pilot commander of a B-25 twin-engine attack bomber with the 12th Air Force in Europe. He also is former chairman of the Motion Picture Association of America.

Can we stop feeding the troll?

troll?hardly!!!

Justr because you have your canned responses that have nothing to ddo with the OP.....
Instead you have 1,000+ posts attacking the OP....
You have nop posts that even remotely make an intellectual point on the topic!!

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Yeah, the multiple exclamation points really help make you not look like a jackass. Wait....

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
troll?hardly!!!

Justr because you have your canned responses that have nothing to ddo with the OP.....
Instead you have 1,000+ posts attacking the OP....
You have nop posts that even remotely make an intellectual point on the topic!!

Just how drunk and/or wasted on prescription drugs are you when you post?

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This was written by the former head of the Motion Picture Associate of America. Anyone who watched the Oscars will remember this guy and his usually boring speeches.

I think he makes a good point about the next generation and their indifference to war and the sacrifices made by our soldiers.

Let's see if we can keep this thread on topic and not turn it into yet another bash Bush about Iraq thread. He does make some interesting points.
Highest among them, does the young generation of American appreciate the sacrifices of those who came before them?
Does the next generation value the sacrifice of war?

There is a piece of sadness that the election failed to debate. It is the lamentable detachment by the young among us to freedom's history.
The press has reported that Clint Eastwood's Flags of Our Fathers, his masterly recreation of courage and fidelity to duty and country exhibited by young Marines in the bloodiest battle of World War II, has gone largely unattended by the youngsters of this day.

Watching this movie, watching ordinary young men performing extraordinary feats of heroism, broke my heart. They put to hazard their own lives not to win medals, but because their country was in danger. Why, then, a casual indifference to this story by so many young people? Maybe it's because we have been so benumbed by war, particularly this Iraq war, and because so few youngsters have worn a uniform. A movie about a battle a half a century ago carries no umbilical connection to them. That's understandable. But it ought not to be.

Perhaps some parents might want to do what I did years ago. When my son was about 14, I took him to Omaha Beach and the Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial in France. We stood on the bluff above the beach in the same spot where Nazi troops had dug in. They had poured rifle, mortar and machine gunfire onto the U.S. troops clambering out of their landing crafts. They cut them down on the sand and in the water that seemed to still run red with the blood flowing so wantonly on that invasion day, June 6, 1944.

Remembering bravery

My son was struck with how close it was from the bluff to the beach. I said, "John it was very close, but remember those young boys never turned back, not one of them. They never turned back. They kept coming."

Then we walked a short distance to the American Cemetery. It is on land a grateful France granted to the United States for use in perpetuity. The Stars and Stripes flies over this cathedral of the dead. We turned our gaze to the grave markers, row upon row upon row, as far as the eye could see. There, I told my son, were buried 9,387 young men, many of whom were in between the ages of 18 and their early 20s, "just a few years older than you are right now," I said.

We walked among the markers laid out in serried ranks. I asked my son to read the inscriptions on those grave markers, the bland finalities of a young warrior's life - name, rank, outfit and the day he died - lives ended before they could be lived.

Debt of gratitude

Finally, I stopped and looked full face at my son. "John, I want you to know why I brought you here." He looked puzzled. I said, "I wanted you to understand that these boys, who never knew you, nonetheless gave you the greatest gift one human can give another. They gave you the gift of freedom. They bought and paid for that gift in blood and bravery. They made it possible for you and millions like you to never have to test your own courage to see how you would react when the dagger is at the nation's belly and death stares you right in the face. You owe them a debt you will never be able to repay."

My son seemed genuinely moved. We never spoke about this again until one day years later, he phoned me. "Dad, last night I saw Saving Private Ryan. You were right. They never turned back, not a one. They kept coming." His voice trembled as he spoke.

Somehow, my own voice cracked a bit with gratitude. My son remembered. May God grant that every boy and girl in this free and loving land never forget the gift of young boys so long ago, a gift given to generations of Americans who were yet to be born.

Jack Valenti flew 51 combat missions in World War II as a pilot commander of a B-25 twin-engine attack bomber with the 12th Air Force in Europe. He also is former chairman of the Motion Picture Association of America.

Can we stop feeding the troll?

troll?hardly!!!

Justr because you have your canned responses that have nothing to ddo with the OP.....
Instead you have 1,000+ posts attacking the OP....
You have nop posts that even remotely make an intellectual point on the topic!!

Put your money where your mouth is... show me where I attacked the op.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: jrenz
It's not cool to respect America and those who died for it. It's cooler to hate America these days.

And that's true because you say so? Hey, turn of the FOX news, it's addeled your brain.


Of course young people appreciate the sacrafices of those who came before them. Just because someone makes the ultimate sacrafice doesn't mean they were right. Ask the Germans.

I think it helps moral more for the troops to feel that they are doing something positive and that the people back home support them, but if a person feels the war is wrong he has that right. After all, that is what they are supposedly fighting for.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Put your money where your mouth is... show me where I attacked the op.

ummm Shadow, he was responding to someone else...

I guess you were right about how easy it is to graduate from high school huh?

BTW: On your Maine not being liberal comment. You don't hear much about Maine in general, because it is a small state with not much political power.
However, when Clinton wanted to appoint a Republican to his cabinet he went to Maine and took Senator Cohen.
A Republican in Maine is like a Republican in Rhode Island or Mass, very liberal compared to the rest of the nation.
Just like a Democrat in North Carolina is very conservative compared to a Democrat in New York.

 

[piasabird]

It might be possible to very soon see an even larger war. If we dont choose to fight Iran now later and even larger enemy, or multiple muslim nations will be attacking us from all sides.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Put your money where your mouth is... show me where I attacked the op.

ummm Shadow, he was responding to someone else...

I guess you were right about how easy it is to graduate from high school huh?

BTW: On your Maine not being liberal comment. You don't hear much about Maine in general, because it is a small state with not much political power.
However, when Clinton wanted to appoint a Republican to his cabinet he went to Maine and took Senator Cohen.
A Republican in Maine is like a Republican in Rhode Island or Mass, very liberal compared to the rest of the nation.
Just like a Democrat in North Carolina is very conservative compared to a Democrat in New York.

The guy said that there were 1000s of attacks in this thread, which is obviously not isolated to just the one person he quoted.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Does the next generation value the sacrifice of war?

For all of your pimping and whoring over the Bushwhackos' policies, it's pretty clear YOU don't.

(corrected previous misnaming of the person quoted)

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Does the next generation value the sacrifice of war?

For all of your pimping and whoring over the Bushwhackos' policies, it's pretty clear YOU don't.

I don't think you are quoting the right person.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
I don't think you are quoting the right person.

Oops. Fixed my previous post.