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Does the HD4870 1GB have enough juice for a 30" LCD?
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lavaheadache
Diamond Member
to each their own... that's the beauty of it.
apoppin
Lifer
excuse me, but you are really being silly .. and biased .. not to mention resorting to "justifying" 😛
-My not having a 25x16 has nothing to do with it, really
if you think logically about it, my opinion is that a 4870-1GB is insufficient for 19x12 for those of us who like fully maxed out details plus at least some AA/16xAF
- most of us even want more .. and perhaps i am a little on the enthusiast side with crossfireX-3, but then i am reviewing it and also exploring the crossfire filtering at 8xMSAA and above
so now .. accepting my PoV that a 4870 is not enough for the "full 19x12 experience" ...
in what part of the world would a 4870 be useful for 25x16?
😕
What you are suggesting - to try a silly "experiment" with one card - the OP is wasting his money on a single 4870 for 25x16 imo, and i am here to warn him about it
Ride a bike?; no thanks!, i get more exercise than most of you and i am in gaming Nirvana .. currently playing Hellgate: London as a Level 36 Engineer on Nightmare difficulty for the second time through on Multiplayer - i just hit Stonehenge
- at 3 am today
:evil:
- ALL the Hellgate subscriber content is now free - including hardcore and guild-formation .. 'till Jan 31st .. when i expect to hit Level 50 .. and put it away
- Age of Conan is on deck for February; i got a month and the game for $10 at Target
- i DO play GRID with Crossfire filtering and it IS beautiful .. forget headphones;my 400w Klipsch quad system is cranked up, no neighbors and no compromises!
BEST of ALL, i am playing Hellgate on my GTX280 on DX10 with every setting as maxed out as it can be maxed out at 19x12
.. heck, i even wrote a "goodbye" to it {Hellgate's DX10 does not run on 4870; i still play FC2 on my GTX also}
- and my PCIe 1.0 vs. 2.0 MB review is getting done this weekend!
so .. why should i give ANYTHING up ?
- just to save a few bucks and frustrate the hell out of myself ?
Well you will never play a demanding new PC game at 25x16 with "slightly lowered visuals" on a 4870
- try *drastically cut* ... and 19x12 fully maxed out is a "wow factor" ... 12 x10 never was
:roll:
i do agree with 3 words you wrote, however:
Happy New Year!!
😀
evolucion8
Platinum Member
For 1920x1080 or similar resolutions, an HD 4870 1GB will give you enough juice, may be you may have to lower some FSAA levels depending of your tastes of smoothness, but you can set a lower resolution and use GPU scaling if you want it, that's what I do when I want to play at my brother's in law 42 LCD TV. I set GPU scaling on and make the adjustments necessary to fit the screen, then set the game (Like Far Cry 2) at 1280x1024 and works fine, it will look great and if the jaggies bother you, let's put some FSAA on, after that this is the strongest point of this current HD 4XXX of cards, specially in high resolutions were other nvidia cards nose dive, specially on 8x levels, but also bear in mind that using high resolutions will lessen the need to use FSAA. You can buy another HD 4870 1GB later and do crossfire if you don't like the performance of a single one. But never skimp on a card with such big displays.
deerhunter716
Member
Originally posted by: lavaheadache
Originally posted by: apoppin
i guarantee you are not using 4xAA/16xAF on a lot of new games; or else you don't mind slowdowns 😛
- "many" bells and whistles is not fully maxed out
I'm sure many people including me, don't get completely upset if they can't run 4x AA in absolutely every game. With that being said a 512 HD4870 is sufficient in almost every new game out there @19x12. For a 30 incher, I agree with Bateluer
Yep spot on indeed!!! The 512 does damn nice and the 1GB is MORE than enough for a 30 incher.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: deerhunter716
Originally posted by: lavaheadache
Originally posted by: apoppin
i guarantee you are not using 4xAA/16xAF on a lot of new games; or else you don't mind slowdowns 😛
- "many" bells and whistles is not fully maxed out
I'm sure many people including me, don't get completely upset if they can't run 4x AA in absolutely every game. With that being said a 512 HD4870 is sufficient in almost every new game out there @19x12. For a 30 incher, I agree with Bateluer
Yep spot on indeed!!! The 512 does damn nice and the 1GB is MORE than enough for a 30 incher.
not it is not, the Batelauer you are supposedly "agreeing" with said quite the opposite:
i am certain you are confusing 19x12 with 25x16 😛
- a 4870 is marginal for 19x12 and woefully insufficient for 25x16
lavaheadache
Diamond Member
The OP says nothing about "needing" to run at the absolute highest settings possible on the 30. There are is only a handful titles out there that the HD4870 can't handle @2560x1600 with the settings turned way up. BTW, I can't imagine there be a neccessity for high levels of AA on a 30.
As far as the 512 meg card being "marginal" for 1920x1200, I don't know what you are talking about. The only games that I own that I wish there was more grunt in is Crysis and Warhead. Far Cry 2, Dead Space, DiRT, Jericho, COD 4, 5. Fall Out 3, Bio Shock, STALKER SOC, Medal of honor airborne, Rainbow six vegas, Halflife ESP2 all have run great, most with good levels of AA and ofcourse max in game visuals. Granted a few of these titles are a little older, but are still right up there in terms of visuals and modern gaming.
Now Apop, I ask you to give me a list of games that is equally iimpressive, full of titles in which the HD4870 512 is "marginal" for 1920x1200. If you start giving me a list of games that not even a better card such as a 280 GTX can run acceptably with high AA, I won't even bother reading it.
The thing is, I probably agree with you in most of your thinking. Yes there are certain situations where a card may have a little trouble using certain settings in certain titles. Isn't this always the case? The only time I remember this not being the case was when I got my just released 8800 GTX. You could just set it and forget it. It only took a few months for that to change though.
The way I see it IF you don't mind turning down AA almost any HD4870, GTX260/280 will get you by with High res gaming. I would definately steer clear of the 512 hd4870 for 2560x1600. I bet you though that If I had a 30 inch panel and my current 512 hd4870 I could run most current games with visuals that are beyond immersive.
Remember, not everyone "has" to have 4xAA plus Crysis very high @60 fps to put a smile on their face. Be a little more open minded like you used to be . I remember the good ole days when you "got by" on your mid range set up. You used to post equally as enthusiatic about hardware. In fact, This is the only time you have had a higher end rig than me and coincedentally the only time I'm finding that I what you say is hog wash.
You have the equivalent of a Ferrari, but it does't make us guys out there with Corvette's any less happy
Happy Gaming!
As far as the 512 meg card being "marginal" for 1920x1200, I don't know what you are talking about. The only games that I own that I wish there was more grunt in is Crysis and Warhead. Far Cry 2, Dead Space, DiRT, Jericho, COD 4, 5. Fall Out 3, Bio Shock, STALKER SOC, Medal of honor airborne, Rainbow six vegas, Halflife ESP2 all have run great, most with good levels of AA and ofcourse max in game visuals. Granted a few of these titles are a little older, but are still right up there in terms of visuals and modern gaming.
Now Apop, I ask you to give me a list of games that is equally iimpressive, full of titles in which the HD4870 512 is "marginal" for 1920x1200. If you start giving me a list of games that not even a better card such as a 280 GTX can run acceptably with high AA, I won't even bother reading it.
The thing is, I probably agree with you in most of your thinking. Yes there are certain situations where a card may have a little trouble using certain settings in certain titles. Isn't this always the case? The only time I remember this not being the case was when I got my just released 8800 GTX. You could just set it and forget it. It only took a few months for that to change though.
The way I see it IF you don't mind turning down AA almost any HD4870, GTX260/280 will get you by with High res gaming. I would definately steer clear of the 512 hd4870 for 2560x1600. I bet you though that If I had a 30 inch panel and my current 512 hd4870 I could run most current games with visuals that are beyond immersive.
Remember, not everyone "has" to have 4xAA plus Crysis very high @60 fps to put a smile on their face. Be a little more open minded like you used to be . I remember the good ole days when you "got by" on your mid range set up. You used to post equally as enthusiatic about hardware. In fact, This is the only time you have had a higher end rig than me and coincedentally the only time I'm finding that I what you say is hog wash.
You have the equivalent of a Ferrari, but it does't make us guys out there with Corvette's any less happy
Happy Gaming!
apoppin
Lifer
No one mentioned running with the 'highest possible settings' on a 25x16 LCD as it goes without saying. 😛
- *imfsckingpossible* on a 1GB4870
i guess you don't want to know what i am talking about.
FC2 runs like crap on any 4870 - and it is silly to have to workaround
STALKER:CS cannot run on the DX10 pathway without bogging; Hellgate:London refuses to run on it at all
Crysis & Crysis Warhead, run poorly on a 4870 maxed out
Call of Juarez & Lost Planet are two more
i don't think Jericho runs very well even DX9c fully maxed out, unless you like being stuck in the 20s FPS
Pt Boats, will *choke* on a 512MB 4870 at even 16x10
"open minded" .. about NO details, NO AA nor AF .. with a single 4870 at 25x16
NO THANK-YOU!!
:thumbsdown:
just keep telling yourself it is "immersive"
:roll:
specifically, the above makes zero sense to me
i have not changed one whit. i am still all about bang for buck .. but it is now just bang-for-buck at 19x12
letsee .. i started out here bang for buck, gaming at 10x7 when 16x10 was possible
. . . and i moved to 11x8 ASAP as a compromise
then i went WS .. i was bang for buck at 14x9 when it was possible to be fully maxed out in DX9c on a 1950pro and theb a 2900xt .. other guys had 19x12 on their GTXes and were cryin'
. . . after that i upgraded again because i found a BEAUTIFUL LCD at 16x10 and i *needed* to run DX10 .. no single GPU did it for me!!
.. so, i was bang for buck on that sucker too, buying another 2900p to get Crossfired 2900xt .. $100 just to run 16x10 fully maxed out in DX10
well now, i have upgraded yet again .. i am STILL bang for buck at 19x12 when 25x16 is possible
. . . and it is not bang-for-buck to run a single 4870/512 comfortably any more on 19x12; it is more like foolish in my eyes
- remember i STARTED with a 4870 and 19x12 .. then got GTX280, and finally X2 and traded in my 4870-512 for a 1GB card to explore "true" crossfire vs. frankenfire with a X2 paired with a 512MB card.
Your "corvette" is a four-banger on an autobahn .. at least get a turbocharger or a v-6 to really *appreciate* 19x12 .. fully maxed out with 4xMSAA {and higher} is awaesome
- i just have a V8, not a Ferrari
.. think about it .. the OP could have had a V-8 instead of your little glorified Chevette engine powering it
😀
I agree. Do this OP. Although, I would recommend an LCD over a Plasma. The Sharp LCDs have a very low response time and are excellent for gaming (I own one). With the lower resolution, you'll at least have a chance to run things with decent framerates without resorting to a God-like rig.
apoppin
Lifer
that is an alternative .. and i guess the cost for a 30" LCD is about the same for a large 1080p TV.
it's just that i like sitting relatively close to the action .. and it took me awhile to adjust to 24"'s 19x12 from 20.1 and 16x10
-i do find it hard to game at 30" when i tried it
i guess i could get used to it
... what then .. tri-sli?
😕
We just had 46" Sharp LCDs on sale here in Canada for $1000CDN, so say $800US. IMO you can't beat that in terms of a display for gaming.
My 8800GTS 320mb can handle most games at 1920x1080, albeit with no AA, and sometimes with some settings turned down a little bit.
Games like Crysis look alright at 720P. I have yet to try GTA4, but I have a feeling I'll need a new rig for it.
lavaheadache
Diamond Member
OK, I give up. Apoppin you are right. I'm going to keep kidding myself with maxed out graphics in most newer games on my "paltry" hd4870 512 running dual screens.
FYI
FAR CRY 2
1920x1200 dx 10 maxed settings ultra high shader 2xAA ........ 43.5 fps so I cap it at 40 and get smooth game play
Crysis 1920x1200 NO AA "high"......... 33 fps in the benchmark with my quad @3.6
As far as you saying Jericho doesn't run well IDK want you are talking about
1920x1200 2XAA maxed settings lowest in game fps I see is about 35
Fallout 3 pretty much stays pegged @60 fps with mnor dips to about 45 when I hit "load" areas at 1920X1200 2Xaa maxed settings
COD 5, just got for Christmas and haven't benched it but 1920 X 1200 2XAA maxed settings smooth as silk.
The trick is whether or not you are willing to sacrifice a little AA. So um I end my part of this silly conversation because I guess one mans gold is another mans trash.
Retarded Arguements like these are what is getting me to spend less time on Anandtech and more time in VWvortex wasting time with my silly supercharged GTi VR6, and Hayabusa. Good luck
FYI
FAR CRY 2
1920x1200 dx 10 maxed settings ultra high shader 2xAA ........ 43.5 fps so I cap it at 40 and get smooth game play
Crysis 1920x1200 NO AA "high"......... 33 fps in the benchmark with my quad @3.6
As far as you saying Jericho doesn't run well IDK want you are talking about
1920x1200 2XAA maxed settings lowest in game fps I see is about 35
Fallout 3 pretty much stays pegged @60 fps with mnor dips to about 45 when I hit "load" areas at 1920X1200 2Xaa maxed settings
COD 5, just got for Christmas and haven't benched it but 1920 X 1200 2XAA maxed settings smooth as silk.
The trick is whether or not you are willing to sacrifice a little AA. So um I end my part of this silly conversation because I guess one mans gold is another mans trash.
Retarded Arguements like these are what is getting me to spend less time on Anandtech and more time in VWvortex wasting time with my silly supercharged GTi VR6, and Hayabusa. Good luck
evolucion8
Platinum Member
An HD 4870? That's so 2008!! loll just kidding, are you talking about Clive's Barker Jericho?? I was able to max that game at 1280x1024 with 2x FSAA with my X1950XT AGP, so I don't know how the HD 4870 cannot max that game with higher resolutions, the textures of that game are blurry but the HDR and shader effects are nice.
Apoppin is out of our reach now, he has the Hardware Yellow Fever Syndrome which is beyond saving. Now the HD 4870 is just a crappy card, let's just dump them in the trash and buy some much faster GTX 280 and gain a whooping 15% of more performance!!!!
Apoppin is out of our reach now, he has the Hardware Yellow Fever Syndrome which is beyond saving. Now the HD 4870 is just a crappy card, let's just dump them in the trash and buy some much faster GTX 280 and gain a whooping 15% of more performance!!!!
lavaheadache
Diamond Member
nice to see someone has my back
apoppin
Lifer
jeeze .. i played and put away Jericho long ago
- it was pretty buggy and i didn't like it
at the TIME everyone else was saying it was a big resource hog and ran very slowly on the best ATi cards of the time
And you evolucion8 are famous - for years - for running a great CPU with a junk video card and extolling your off-the-wall PC at game playing. i remember you missed out on a lot of great games like STALKER because you were 'saving up" ,, yet you managed to get very nice CPUs in the meantime. imo, you still have a rather lopsided gaming PC unless you just play RTS.
4870 is an awesome videocard[period] .. but it will never replace 4870x2 or GTX SLI in most games at 19x12 and up with 4xAA.
[btw, 4870 is $215 at NewEgg for the 1GB currently, after MiR; same place for $165 gets you the 512MB version and a gaming mouse - see hot deals]
i have one 4870/1GBand i like it a lot
However i would never TORTURE myself by using it to play any demanding new PCs with any good detail at 25x16
PM me next time and i can tone it down just for your 'sensitive' eyes
- i guess you just want agreement and you certainly don't care what you say to me or how you unjustly accuse me of "HW fever'
i simply do not agree with you about a "little" AA
-i really believe when you finally DO get it, you will be touting it all over Anandtech 😛
finally it is really retarded to accuse me of suggesting you dump a 4870 for a 280 .. neither are sufficient for 25x16 for most new games - the way gamers like to play them
evolucion8
Platinum Member
Great, I didn't know that I was so famous, specially for someone who has been here for years like you in which I pale in comparison, but neither my X1950XT AGP or HIS HD 3850 AGP cards were crappy cards. And before them, I had the X800XT PE and the 9700PRO which were the best cards on their time, aren't you mistaking me by someone else? My P4 EE was a nice CPU, but the Pentium M simply stomped it in gaming performance, I cherish those days when it was paired with my old HD 3850 that the UPS would last more than 30 minutes, now it barely last 10 minutes...
lavaheadache
Diamond Member
Apop, I do get it. How long you been hi res gaming? I've been on a 24 for 2.5 years and on a 20 inch widescreen for 2 years before that. I know what kind of card it takes to drive this kind of resolution. In July I came from 2 8800 GT's, and before that 8800 GTX and before that an X1900 XTX. I'm well aware of AA and how it affects cards performances at this kind of resolution. As far as touting it at AT..... NEVER!! I'm not a bragger and am not into selling people on more than they need. I only tend to speak when I see people getting on thier high horses cause it's always fun to knock back down to a more appropriate level.
I woulld love to get an X2 but for me their is no need becasue this card is doing fine at 1920X1200 and besides I'm sure the next cards are close enough for me to start saving my pocket change now
apoppin
Lifer
i have never been hi-res gaming
only 19x12 😛
i tried hi-res 25x16 and it is a bit "much" for me
... at least for now
So now, after that BS talk-down preachy spiel of yours to me; how you are the "expert" and you imply we should all worship your opinion because of the length of time you have been gaming at 16x10 {wow} and 19x12 and you just "know" what is best for all of us - you contradict yourself and say, You'd *love* to get an X2
- well i have a 4870 that i tried gaming at 19x12 - first ... and for me it was insufficient .. so i did get an X2
. . . i am saving my change for GTX290/280 sli; i have half a pair now. Then i will know about Nvidia multi-GPU also and be able to directly compare crossfire with sli
i don't think so; what was before 9700p? .. weren't you the INfamous extreme edition guy with ancient Radeon weak-ass GPU?
{i can look it up}
- sorry for my previous typo .. i am new to editing
😀
edplayer
Platinum Member
This thread reminds me of everything I don't like about hardware forums.
Usually I am an advocate of the "best bang 4 your buck". That you mostly find on the Hot Deals forum and most likely will be from some online site. In your situation though maybe you should just buy the 4870 from a local retailer w a good return policy.
nRollo's advice of waiting for the GTX295 is good also. If its a lot better then the X2, you will probably see a quick price drop on the ATI card.
Usually I am an advocate of the "best bang 4 your buck". That you mostly find on the Hot Deals forum and most likely will be from some online site. In your situation though maybe you should just buy the 4870 from a local retailer w a good return policy.
nRollo's advice of waiting for the GTX295 is good also. If its a lot better then the X2, you will probably see a quick price drop on the ATI card.
evolucion8
Platinum Member
Nop, definitively you are mistaken me with someone else. Before that, I had a crappy Pentium 1 PC with some weird S3 Trio 64, that was in 1999. After that I had an HP PC which I gave back to the store for defects and it had a GeForce MX 420, that happened in 2001, after that, I had a laptop with a Pentium 3 Tualatin and a Radeon Mobility M6 in 2002, after that I made my first PC in 2003 which had a Pentium 4@ 2.4GHz, and a Radeon 9700 which I flashed to PRO. Afterwards I did an upgrade and swapped the motherboard and got a Pentium 4 @ 3.4GHz Northwood and a Radeon X800XT which I flashed to PE and that was in 2005. Then I moved to the X1950XT and swapped the CPU to a P4 EE which I just used for two months before I moved to the Pentium M and then the HD 3850 AGP, all that happened in 2007 and 2008 respectively. Definitively you need to eat more tuna cans with loads of Omega 3 which helps memory, 🙂
PS: I hate RTS, I'm a FPS guy which love eye candy and good games 😉
lavaheadache
Diamond Member
It does sound like a plan, but what is gonna stop the spread of misguiding information.
Originally posted by: apoppin
i have never been hi-res gaming
only 19x12 😛
i tried hi-res 25x16 and it is a bit "much" for me
... at least for now
So now, after that BS talk-down preachy spiel of yours to me; how you are the "expert" and you imply we should all worship your opinion because of the length of time you have been gaming at 16x10 {wow} and 19x12 and you just "know" what is best for all of us - you contradict yourself and say, You'd *love* to get an X2
- well i have a 4870 that i tried gaming at 19x12 - first ... and for me it was insufficient .. so i did get an X2
. . . i am saving my change for GTX290/280 sli; i have half a pair now. Then i will know about Nvidia multi-GPU also and be able to directly compare crossfire with sli
Originally posted by: apoppin
i have never been hi-res gaming
only 19x12 😛
i tried hi-res 25x16 and it is a bit "much" for me
... at least for now
So now, after that BS talk-down preachy spiel of yours to me; how you are the "expert" and you imply we should all worship your opinion because of the length of time you have been gaming at 16x10 {wow} and 19x12 and you just "know" what is best for all of us - you contradict yourself and say, You'd *love* to get an X2
- well i have a 4870 that i tried gaming at 19x12 - first ... and for me it was insufficient .. so i did get an X2
. . . i am saving my change for GTX290/280 sli; i have half a pair now. Then i will know about Nvidia multi-GPU also and be able to directly compare crossfire with sli
Like this load. I don't get it Hi res gaming only consist of 2560X1600 ? HUH? Maybe I'm crazy but the highest resolution TV you can buy is 1080p. The second highest LCD monitor resolution you can buy is "1200p". So the only consumer hi resolution is 2560x1600? WTF? I wasn't claiming to be an expert just saying I've been playing around in a league for a few years that Apoppin just started to get his feet wet in.
Well, I already said 2 posts ago that I was tired of this kinda of nonsense. This is my last rebutal in here.
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