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Does the Epox 9NDA3J OC well with a 3000+ winnie?

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I just sold off my old A64 stuff, to buy a 3000+ winchester, and I'm looking for a good >$100 mobo to OC with. I welcome your suggestions.
 
Yeah it works well. I think Nick1985 and Zebo use that board... 2.65ish OCs, maybe more I forget. Though remember your mileage may vary, depending on the quality of chip you get.

MSI K8N Neo2 seems to work pretty nicely too.
 
I'm using one and it's been a very solid board so far. I'm running a 3200+ Winnie that is currently at 2.7 ghz(10x270) and I have also done a volt-mod to increase the vdimm and everything is running great...great bang for the buck....🙂


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The 9nda is a great board. I'd personalyl take it over the Neo2 because I have seen an alarmingly large number of people who have random freezing in 3D with the neo2.

The only glaring issue of the 9nda is the vdimm. Anything higher than 2.95v blows the board, just a warning.
 
Originally posted by: Sentential
The 9nda is a great board. I'd personalyl take it over the Neo2 because I have seen an alarmingly large number of people who have random freezing in 3D with the neo2.

The only glaring issue of the 9nda is the vdimm. Anything higher than 2.95v blows the board, just a warning.
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I and many with very high oc's and even high HTT dont have the issues...I will bet user error on most...they dont know hoe to run memtest and check for ram errors....

Most haven't seem to pick up on the data that wene you set trcd to cas 2 it will undervolt the vdimm by .1v...so meaning you only have 2.75v max option in the bios with trcd 2.....You can set 2.85 and trcd 3 in bios and then let A64tweaker set it to 2 in the windows startup...

Memory tweaking can be a biatch with these high HTT clocking and trust me it takes thorough stability testing to see if you have nailed it all down....Most of your buys sentential dont knwo what stabilioty testing is...

Prime95 for 16 hours using non blended yet I could see a memtest error in 2 pass....You need to do thorough testing of the memoryu with a more memory specific app....


Edit: I see more post 300HTT oc's still with NEO2 chips...That says something and may also be an issue on some of those freezes....As you oc the HTT higher on these boards the memory controller apears to be more and more sensitive and ram will no be able to run at specs....I can run 8x283 1:1 cas 2.5,3,3,7 fully tested yet I cannot get 9x283 1:1 cas 3,4,4,8 to be fully stable and that is using the vcore that has been shown to be stable for 48 hours in prime95...drop that to a 166 divider and I can use cas 2.5 again and is fully stable in pboth prime95 and memtest...Ram is the culprit IMO on most of the instability with these OCs above 2.4ghz and high 270+ HTT
 
The overclocks dont matter when it freezes in 3d. The original revisions of the Neo2s had the most issues. We narrowed it down to a Capaciter/FET issue.

Btw this wasnt me, this was about 2 dozen people on ocforums. I doubt we are all that stupid.

This wasnt a RAM issue since I and another guy were using 2.5-4-4. I was using Hynix he was using TCCD. Hynix does not require much in the way of volts to begin with.

Plus this was happening at stock reguardless of settings even the hidden ones
 
Originally posted by: Sentential
The overclocks dont matter when it freezes in 3d. The original revisions of the Neo2s had the most issues. We narrowed it down to a Capaciter/FET issue.

Btw this wasnt me, this was about 2 dozen people on ocforums. I doubt we are all that stupid.

This wasnt a RAM issue since I and another guy were using 2.5-4-4. I was using Hynix he was using TCCD
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Well I checked my chip awhile back and I had an older revision and I have no issues....I still think it is elsewhere.....I use a quality PSU and I have not had issues period, and I am using some of the higher HTT speeds around....I think you test is hardly sicientific enough to come up with any real conclusions....
 
Plus this was happening at stock reguardless of settings even the hidden ones
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Does this go along with some of the older A64's not running prime95 at stock settings stable??? Cause that happened over many platforms.....

I would like to see all of your data on how you came up with ay coclusions as to blame the NEO2 which around these parts has had more use and quite a stellar reputation....This place is full of AMD fanboys and gamers and I have not seen it as being an issue....

Again I have frequented your forum once or twice and I see a lot of claims with seldom a person questioning actual stability in the first place....extreme is the same way....I dont think ppl even test stability there....
 
I have that same board I can run the fsb stable up to 330, but I cant run my memory above 200mhz at that speed, even at 300, only around 285, can I run my memory at cas 2.5-3-3-10, at a 133 divider I think, the only thing i dont like is the limit on dividers I wish it had more of them, there are only 4 settings 200, 166, 133 and 100. That said I am running my HT at 1100 with no problem running prime stable. my max oc so far has been 285x9 4x multi for ht, and mem at 235 mhz, awesome system and stable like no other. Running a Winnie 3000 in it.
 
Originally posted by: perillo34
I have that same board I can run the fsb stable up to 330, but I cant run my memory above 200mhz at that speed, even at 300, only around 285, can I run my memory at cas 2.5-3-3-10, at a 133 divider I think, the only thing i dont like is the limit on dividers I wish it had more of them, there are only 4 settings 200, 166, 133 and 100. That said I am running my HT at 1100 with no problem running prime stable. my max oc so far has been 285x9 4x multi for ht, and mem at 235 mhz, awesome system and stable like no other. Running a Winnie 3000 in it.
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Which board?? Epox??? I wouldn't recommend over 1000 in HTT I would have used the 3x...you wont see any real world improvement between the 2 but it could be a stbility issue otherwise....

YOu do always ahve the option to run A64tweaker to get additional dividers ....150 and 183 to name 2 of them....
 
Originally posted by: Duvie
Plus this was happening at stock reguardless of settings even the hidden ones
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Does this go along with some of the older A64's not running prime95 at stock settings stable??? Cause that happened over many platforms.....

I would like to see all of your data on how you came up with ay coclusions as to blame the NEO2 which around these parts has had more use and quite a stellar reputation....This place is full of AMD fanboys and gamers and I have not seen it as being an issue....

Again I have frequented your forum once or twice and I see a lot of claims with seldom a person questioning actual stability in the first place....extreme is the same way....I dont think ppl even test stability there....
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We do test for stability all the time. As ive said, these were done on a wide variety of systems configurations. I could name names but that would take too long.

The long and short of it is this. People who went from the neo2 to the epox or like I did with the AV8 the issues stopped. I did a back to back comparison, the freezing only occured on the neo2, the AV8 was fine.

I also have a friend who is having the same exact issue that i once did. He's both P95 and memtest stable for 24 hrs. Explain that?

 
Originally posted by: Sentential
Originally posted by: Duvie
Plus this was happening at stock reguardless of settings even the hidden ones
Click to expand...

Does this go along with some of the older A64's not running prime95 at stock settings stable??? Cause that happened over many platforms.....

I would like to see all of your data on how you came up with ay coclusions as to blame the NEO2 which around these parts has had more use and quite a stellar reputation....This place is full of AMD fanboys and gamers and I have not seen it as being an issue....

Again I have frequented your forum once or twice and I see a lot of claims with seldom a person questioning actual stability in the first place....extreme is the same way....I dont think ppl even test stability there....
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We do test for stability all the time. As ive said, these were done on a wide variety of systems configurations. I could name names but that would take too long.

The long and short of it is this. People who went from the neo2 to the epox or like I did with the AV8 the issues stopped. I did a back to back comparison, the freezing only occured on the neo2, the AV8 was fine.

I also have a friend who is having the same exact issue that i once did. He's both P95 and memtest stable for 24 hrs. Explain that?
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I cant explain it...however I have sure heard of more ppl have issues with getting any successful OCs out of the Abit board then ppl badmouthing the Neo2....

Again provide me with your proof to uphold your comment about the DEFECT of the Neo2 board....There are far more not having issues then your 12 or so that did...How do you explain that???
 
I've gotten my 9NDA3+ (same board with more SATA and FireWire ports) up to 315HTT, not too shabby.
 
Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
I just sold off my old A64 stuff, to buy a 3000+ winchester, and I'm looking for a good >$100 mobo to OC with. I welcome your suggestions.
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This board is a sleeper performance bargain. I've owned mine for 2 months now and it just gives and gives. Highest stable HTT clock (function of the CPU, of course) I've gotten is 325. I like that there is boot options (choice of CROM, floppy, HD) right at POST.

Quirks: SATA ports right by the AGP connector so no Arctic Silencer for me, though I have yet to try and use angled SATA connectors. Both power cables plug in right by the CPU socket so airflow may be an issue. Board undervolts but BIOS is generous with Vcore and Vdimm only goes up to 2.8 (but hey, all ya need is Value RAM)

Has been a rock solid board for me. I hesitate to sell it off now that my DFI board is incoming.

 
I have the epox 9NDA3J and have a 3000+ winnie oc'd to 2.5 Ghz using Patriots XDL on 133 mem divider. I love epox and have been using epox since NF2 days. I went Epox in the days when I read Tomshardwarehouse voting it the best value mobo during a review on NF2 mobos.
 
Originally posted by: caboob
Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
I just sold off my old A64 stuff, to buy a 3000+ winchester, and I'm looking for a good >$100 mobo to OC with. I welcome your suggestions.
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This board is a sleeper performance bargain. I've owned mine for 2 months now and it just gives and gives. Highest stable HTT clock (function of the CPU, of course) I've gotten is 325. I like that there is boot options (choice of CROM, floppy, HD) right at POST.

Quirks: SATA ports right by the AGP connector so no Arctic Silencer for me, though I have yet to try and use angled SATA connectors. Both power cables plug in right by the CPU socket so airflow may be an issue. Board undervolts but BIOS is generous with Vcore and Vdimm only goes up to 2.8 (but hey, all ya need is Value RAM)

Has been a rock solid board for me. I hesitate to sell it off now that my DFI board is incoming.
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Ah, crap. Me 9800np has an arctic sliencer rev.3. That may turn into a bit of a problem. Oh well, maybe I'll take that hsfu i'm getting with my 3000+ buy an xp-120 and throw the stock cooler from the a64 on the 9800.
 
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: Sentential
Originally posted by: Duvie
Plus this was happening at stock reguardless of settings even the hidden ones
Click to expand...

Does this go along with some of the older A64's not running prime95 at stock settings stable??? Cause that happened over many platforms.....

I would like to see all of your data on how you came up with ay coclusions as to blame the NEO2 which around these parts has had more use and quite a stellar reputation....This place is full of AMD fanboys and gamers and I have not seen it as being an issue....

Again I have frequented your forum once or twice and I see a lot of claims with seldom a person questioning actual stability in the first place....extreme is the same way....I dont think ppl even test stability there....
Click to expand...
We do test for stability all the time. As ive said, these were done on a wide variety of systems configurations. I could name names but that would take too long.

The long and short of it is this. People who went from the neo2 to the epox or like I did with the AV8 the issues stopped. I did a back to back comparison, the freezing only occured on the neo2, the AV8 was fine.

I also have a friend who is having the same exact issue that i once did. He's both P95 and memtest stable for 24 hrs. Explain that?
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I cant explain it...however I have sure heard of more ppl have issues with getting any successful OCs out of the Abit board then ppl badmouthing the Neo2....

Again provide me with your proof to uphold your comment about the DEFECT of the Neo2 board....There are far more not having issues then your 12 or so that did...How do you explain that???
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I never said that Abit clocked better, because my AV8 was horrible at that. However unlike my neo2 it atleast ran properly at stock, something my K8N could never do.

You can just look at the posts on ocforums concerning this board and it speaks for itself:

http://www.ocforums.com/forumdisplay.ph...ort=lastpost&order=&pp=30&daysprune=30

Whats the deal with the Neo2 and temp readings
Neo2 3200+ oc max 218x10
NEO2 3 or 4 SATA PROBLEM... HELP!!
msi AMD board screw up?
MSI Neo2 Plat: 3D Gaming Freeze Issue
Funky overclocking issues with my Winchester
Winchester just doesn't want to overclock 🙁
Neo 4 not setting vid right
Cold boot problem
K8N Neo2 Platinum Bios hangd when changing HT
Can't even get 2200MHz stable on a 3200
MSI K8N-NEO2 PCI Problem!!
Oh Gawd Please Help
K8N Neo2 Plat. Problem...plz help?
MSI K8N Neo2 Plat. will not post/boot
MSI neo 2 plat won't post in Dual channel, please help
K8N Neo2 suffers some SERIOUS VDIMM issues?
K8N Neo2 Plat. won't go dual channel
Graphics anomaly over 250 HTT...
<taken from the first 2 pages>

and of course my thread here:

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=364432

Is this seriously a board you want to own? I think not
 
Originally posted by: Sentential
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: Sentential
Originally posted by: Duvie
Plus this was happening at stock reguardless of settings even the hidden ones
Click to expand...

Does this go along with some of the older A64's not running prime95 at stock settings stable??? Cause that happened over many platforms.....

I would like to see all of your data on how you came up with ay coclusions as to blame the NEO2 which around these parts has had more use and quite a stellar reputation....This place is full of AMD fanboys and gamers and I have not seen it as being an issue....

Again I have frequented your forum once or twice and I see a lot of claims with seldom a person questioning actual stability in the first place....extreme is the same way....I dont think ppl even test stability there....
Click to expand...
We do test for stability all the time. As ive said, these were done on a wide variety of systems configurations. I could name names but that would take too long.

The long and short of it is this. People who went from the neo2 to the epox or like I did with the AV8 the issues stopped. I did a back to back comparison, the freezing only occured on the neo2, the AV8 was fine.

I also have a friend who is having the same exact issue that i once did. He's both P95 and memtest stable for 24 hrs. Explain that?
Click to expand...

I cant explain it...however I have sure heard of more ppl have issues with getting any successful OCs out of the Abit board then ppl badmouthing the Neo2....

Again provide me with your proof to uphold your comment about the DEFECT of the Neo2 board....There are far more not having issues then your 12 or so that did...How do you explain that???
Click to expand...

I never said that Abit clocked better, because my AV8 was horrible at that. However unlike my neo2 it atleast ran properly at stock, something my K8N could never do.

You can just look at the posts on ocforums concerning this board and it speaks for itself:

http://www.ocforums.com/forumdisplay.ph...ort=lastpost&order=&pp=30&daysprune=30

Whats the deal with the Neo2 and temp readings
Neo2 3200+ oc max 218x10
NEO2 3 or 4 SATA PROBLEM... HELP!!
msi AMD board screw up?
MSI Neo2 Plat: 3D Gaming Freeze Issue
Funky overclocking issues with my Winchester
Winchester just doesn't want to overclock 🙁
Neo 4 not setting vid right
Cold boot problem
K8N Neo2 Platinum Bios hangd when changing HT
Can't even get 2200MHz stable on a 3200
MSI K8N-NEO2 PCI Problem!!
Oh Gawd Please Help
K8N Neo2 Plat. Problem...plz help?
MSI K8N Neo2 Plat. will not post/boot
MSI neo 2 plat won't post in Dual channel, please help
K8N Neo2 suffers some SERIOUS VDIMM issues?
K8N Neo2 Plat. won't go dual channel
Graphics anomaly over 250 HTT...
<taken from the first 2 pages>

and of course my thread here:

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=364432

Is this seriously a board you want to own? I think not
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Any moron doing his research could have answered a lof f the concerns by doing research before buying board like I did. I have never heard of anyone having problems with it at stock....

I imagine if I wanted to waste my time reading a dozen threads on a board that probably sold hundreds between our two boards alone....MOst ocing issues were ppl did not have 1.3 bios or newer which fixed most issues with the winchester....SATA 3 and 4 ports has been widely known to be the only ports to lock and early on with again older bios a trick was to set the agp to 67....You listed a Neo4...not sure how that applies.....you listed a bunch of ocing bitching...not sure that applies to your claim of not running at stock....


Again a few threads versus number sold....many dont have issues so likely a few bad boards....likely a few user errors...likely a few hardware (other then mobo) errors or compatability issues.....

You need a lot more then a dozen or so threads (some which dont apply to your claim).....I have seen more make claims on ocing limits on the board only to have us here on the boards help them past it and now no issues.....



Seems funny your 2% claim on ppl reaching 2.6ghz yet in my ocing thrad I have 3 in there alone with like 18-20 replies (half of them mine).....

 
jeez sent, way to take my thread off topic. Glad I don't visit the OCforums (or whatever) if thats how you guys treat each other with all the thread crapping.
 
Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
Originally posted by: caboob
Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
I just sold off my old A64 stuff, to buy a 3000+ winchester, and I'm looking for a good >$100 mobo to OC with. I welcome your suggestions.
Click to expand...

This board is a sleeper performance bargain. I've owned mine for 2 months now and it just gives and gives. Highest stable HTT clock (function of the CPU, of course) I've gotten is 325. I like that there is boot options (choice of CROM, floppy, HD) right at POST.

Quirks: SATA ports right by the AGP connector so no Arctic Silencer for me, though I have yet to try and use angled SATA connectors. Both power cables plug in right by the CPU socket so airflow may be an issue. Board undervolts but BIOS is generous with Vcore and Vdimm only goes up to 2.8 (but hey, all ya need is Value RAM)

Has been a rock solid board for me. I hesitate to sell it off now that my DFI board is incoming.
Click to expand...

Ah, crap. Me 9800np has an arctic sliencer rev.3. That may turn into a bit of a problem. Oh well, maybe I'll take that hsfu i'm getting with my 3000+ buy an xp-120 and throw the stock cooler from the a64 on the 9800.
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Is the artic silencer one of those huge heatsinks that waps the board with heatpipes??? I had one on my 5800U and it barely fit and left no room with the bottom edge of the HSF on te cpu....Definitely be aware of that....

 
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
Originally posted by: caboob
Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
I just sold off my old A64 stuff, to buy a 3000+ winchester, and I'm looking for a good >$100 mobo to OC with. I welcome your suggestions.
Click to expand...

This board is a sleeper performance bargain. I've owned mine for 2 months now and it just gives and gives. Highest stable HTT clock (function of the CPU, of course) I've gotten is 325. I like that there is boot options (choice of CROM, floppy, HD) right at POST.

Quirks: SATA ports right by the AGP connector so no Arctic Silencer for me, though I have yet to try and use angled SATA connectors. Both power cables plug in right by the CPU socket so airflow may be an issue. Board undervolts but BIOS is generous with Vcore and Vdimm only goes up to 2.8 (but hey, all ya need is Value RAM)

Has been a rock solid board for me. I hesitate to sell it off now that my DFI board is incoming.
Click to expand...

Ah, crap. Me 9800np has an arctic sliencer rev.3. That may turn into a bit of a problem. Oh well, maybe I'll take that hsfu i'm getting with my 3000+ buy an xp-120 and throw the stock cooler from the a64 on the 9800.
Click to expand...


Is the artic silencer one of those huge heatsinks that waps the board with heatpipes??? I had one on my 5800U and it barely fit and left no room with the bottom edge of the HSF on te cpu....Definitely be aware of that....
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No, that's the Zalman you are thinking of. The silencer has the big aluminum heatsink cooled by a large slow spinning fan. The plastic shroud totally covers those SATA connectors. It sorta reminds me of the snafu EpoX had with their Athlon boards and Gefore 4x00 series cards with the caps being to high thus impeding insertion of the card into the AGP slot.


 
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