Does Steinbrenner crap money?

[TangoJuliet]

Do realize that the yankees were the #1 home attendance team last year at 53,069/game plus they were the #5 draw on the road at 35,192/game. They were the #1 team combined at 44,131/game. In 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007 they were #1 both at home and on the road. 2005 they were #1 at home and #2 on the road.

So you people can go on and on about the Yankees buying all the talent but they have fans both at home and on the road that support the team. Just last year they had 4.3 million fans attend home games. Thats 200,000 more people then the #2 team - the Mets and 500,000 more people then the #3 team - the Dodgers.

That is a HUGE amount of fans in terms of dollars and if I do recall correctly the Yankees do earn a percentage of revenue for attendance on road games.

I didn't even include the money they receive from the YES network. Steinbrenner could easily keep all of this money in his pocket and not care about winning but he spends it all every year. Sure things haven't worked out that well for the team the past couple years but thats the risks you take.

You also have to remember the Yankees had been in the playoffs from 1995 to 2007. They consistently picked low in the draft so they did not have the opportunity to get the really great young players to build up their farm system. However, they still produced some pretty good players in Wang, Jaba, Hughes and Cano. Melky is a nice player but he is average at best.

Sure R.Johnson, Pavano, Farnsworth, Wright, Igawa and Vasquez have been horrible but on the flip side Mussina, Key, Matsui and El Duque were all very good.

JC86 - Wang is just biding his time......he will definitely cash in when the time comes.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
He's not even a 20 game winner...

With startering pitchers I don't look at wins/loses as much as I do the ERA. You could go winless in a season and have a ERA under 2. That does not mean you are a bad player, just your hitters did nto give you any support. But the other way is you can have a 20 game winner and his ERA be way over 4. That doe snot mean he is a good pitcher, just he has a lot of good hitters on a team.
So for me a W/L record for a starting pitcher doe snot mean as much as the ERA.

Now for a clopser it is the other way. I don;t care about ERA as much as I do saves vs lost saves.


But yea this guy looks like a another money loser for the yanks.

 

[drum]

Originally posted by: poncherelli2

Originally posted by: drum

Originally posted by: pontifex
i was wondering about this this morning when i heard about some players with huge contracts. do the teams bring in that much money to afford those high salaries?

Only the Yankees and Red Sox can get away with that. anyone else sacrifices the rest of their team to do that.
Other teams can't blow 25% of their payroll on one player that plays 1 time every 5 days

You realize Boston was the 4th highest payroll last year, and came in about 60MM below NYY.

The Yankees can afford this because they continue to rape the taxpayers as they build a baseball palace that will open all sorts of new revenue streams.

That's all well and good but when you spend 50 million to TALK to a pitcher, you're getting thrown in with them, sorry.

 

[drum]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
He's not even a 20 game winner...

With startering pitchers I don't look at wins/loses as much as I do the ERA. You could go winless in a season and have a ERA under 2. That does not mean you are a bad player, just your hitters did nto give you any support. But the other way is you can have a 20 game winner and his ERA be way over 4. That doe snot mean he is a good pitcher, just he has a lot of good hitters on a team.
So for me a W/L record for a starting pitcher doe snot mean as much as the ERA.

Now for a clopser it is the other way. I don;t care about ERA as much as I do saves vs lost saves.


But yea this guy looks like a another money loser for the yanks.

ERA over W/L is major. There are other stats to delve deeper into that science as well, batting average for balls in play, runs/hits per innings pitched... ect.

Thats what made Cliff Lee so impressive last year. The Indians were as many as 15 games under .500 and were under for most of the year yet he managed to win 22 games. Not only that but there was an occasion where he went 9 scoreless innings and got a no decision... sure there were a couple games he got a lot of runs but the idea is the same.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Zaitsev
Revenue sharing also helps offset the lack of a cap, but not really. My Royals are hurtin'.

Your Royals don't reinvest all of the revenue sharing money they receive into the team. The Royal's owner keeps a good chunk of it.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: TangoJuliet
Do realize that the yankees were the #1 home attendance team last year at 53,069/game plus they were the #5 draw on the road at 35,192/game. They were the #1 team combined at 44,131/game. In 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007 they were #1 both at home and on the road. 2005 they were #1 at home and #2 on the road.

So you people can go on and on about the Yankees buying all the talent but they have fans both at home and on the road that support the team. Just last year they had 4.3 million fans attend home games. Thats 200,000 more people then the #2 team - the Mets and 500,000 more people then the #3 team - the Dodgers.

That is a HUGE amount of fans in terms of dollars and if I do recall correctly the Yankees do earn a percentage of revenue for attendance on road games.

I didn't even include the money they receive from the YES network. Steinbrenner could easily keep all of this money in his pocket and not care about winning but he spends it all every year. Sure things haven't worked out that well for the team the past couple years but thats the risks you take.

You also have to remember the Yankees had been in the playoffs from 1995 to 2007. They consistently picked low in the draft so they did not have the opportunity to get the really great young players to build up their farm system. However, they still produced some pretty good players in Wang, Jaba, Hughes and Cano. Melky is a nice player but he is average at best.

Sure R.Johnson, Pavano, Farnsworth, Wright, Igawa and Vasquez have been horrible but on the flip side Mussina, Key, Matsui and El Duque were all very good.

JC86 - Wang is just biding his time......he will definitely cash in when the time comes.

5th road attendance is pretty sad. The Red Sox have been #1 in road attendance for a while.

 

[Gibson486]

wow...I was reading this yesterday. I am glad to see the Sox not go any further on their payroll....then again, I heard that they were offering a deal close to this. Anyways, as much of a sox fan I am, I have lost interest in them. I can't even go to a game (they pretty much sold out of their tickets with in 20 minutes this morning....I got in and all that was left was standing room seats)....and when i go, it's just full of college age kids who do not even enjoy the game....and I spent 100% more than face value. Then there is this stupid redsox nation thing....which is occupied by a population of bandwagon fans and their stupid pink hats. Then, yesterday, they showed off new uniforms an hats. What was wrong with the current one?

There is a reason why Red Sox are #1 in road attendance......it's cheaper to get a ticket at a road game, fly out, and stay at a decent hotel then to go to Fenway and pay for scalped tickets and watered down beer.

80 Million..wow...I will never make that much in 4-5 lifetimes🙁

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: goog40
Also keep in mind the Yanks will have to pay an extra 40% on top of every dollar spent over the luxury tax threshold. So you can look at CC and AJ's contract as costing them over $32 mil and $21 mil a year, respectively.

I thought they get to write down their luxury tax due to the cost of the new stadium.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: TangoJuliet
Do realize that the yankees were the #1 home attendance team last year at 53,069/game plus they were the #5 draw on the road at 35,192/game. They were the #1 team combined at 44,131/game. In 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007 they were #1 both at home and on the road. 2005 they were #1 at home and #2 on the road.

So you people can go on and on about the Yankees buying all the talent but they have fans both at home and on the road that support the team. Just last year they had 4.3 million fans attend home games. Thats 200,000 more people then the #2 team - the Mets and 500,000 more people then the #3 team - the Dodgers.

That is a HUGE amount of fans in terms of dollars and if I do recall correctly the Yankees do earn a percentage of revenue for attendance on road games.

I didn't even include the money they receive from the YES network. Steinbrenner could easily keep all of this money in his pocket and not care about winning but he spends it all every year. Sure things haven't worked out that well for the team the past couple years but thats the risks you take.

You also have to remember the Yankees had been in the playoffs from 1995 to 2007. They consistently picked low in the draft so they did not have the opportunity to get the really great young players to build up their farm system. However, they still produced some pretty good players in Wang, Jaba, Hughes and Cano. Melky is a nice player but he is average at best.

Sure R.Johnson, Pavano, Farnsworth, Wright, Igawa and Vasquez have been horrible but on the flip side Mussina, Key, Matsui and El Duque were all very good.

JC86 - Wang is just biding his time......he will definitely cash in when the time comes.

I would hope they sold out all their home games with a market of 10M+ people

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: goog40

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: goog40
Also keep in mind the Yanks will have to pay an extra 40% on top of every dollar spent over the luxury tax threshold. So you can look at CC and AJ's contract as costing them over $32 mil and $21 mil a year, respectively.

Elaborate please?

Baseball has a luxury tax, where teams get taxed a certain percentage on the amount by which they exceed the threshold (which is about $160 million next year). Repeat offenders get taxed a higher percentage, so the Yankees have to pay the maximum tax (40%).

I just saw that they got rid of around $70 million in contracts from last year's team though, so they might not exceed the luxury tax threshold by that much this year, depending on how much more they're going to spend.

Ive read that they will be able to deduct the cost of the stadium (the portion they paid) and as a result wont be paying any luxury taxes for a few years. I may be wrong though.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: TangoJuliet
Do realize that the yankees were the #1 home attendance team last year at 53,069/game plus they were the #5 draw on the road at 35,192/game. They were the #1 team combined at 44,131/game. In 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007 they were #1 both at home and on the road. 2005 they were #1 at home and #2 on the road.

So you people can go on and on about the Yankees buying all the talent but they have fans both at home and on the road that support the team. Just last year they had 4.3 million fans attend home games. Thats 200,000 more people then the #2 team - the Mets and 500,000 more people then the #3 team - the Dodgers.

The Yankees had the biggest stadium. They're losing 4000 seats in the new stadium and put them behind the Mets and the Dodgers as far as stadium capacity. Funny that the three teams with biggest stadiums also had the three highest home attendance.

 

[TangoJuliet]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: TangoJuliet
Do realize that the yankees were the #1 home attendance team last year at 53,069/game plus they were the #5 draw on the road at 35,192/game. They were the #1 team combined at 44,131/game. In 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007 they were #1 both at home and on the road. 2005 they were #1 at home and #2 on the road.

So you people can go on and on about the Yankees buying all the talent but they have fans both at home and on the road that support the team. Just last year they had 4.3 million fans attend home games. Thats 200,000 more people then the #2 team - the Mets and 500,000 more people then the #3 team - the Dodgers.

That is a HUGE amount of fans in terms of dollars and if I do recall correctly the Yankees do earn a percentage of revenue for attendance on road games.

I didn't even include the money they receive from the YES network. Steinbrenner could easily keep all of this money in his pocket and not care about winning but he spends it all every year. Sure things haven't worked out that well for the team the past couple years but thats the risks you take.

You also have to remember the Yankees had been in the playoffs from 1995 to 2007. They consistently picked low in the draft so they did not have the opportunity to get the really great young players to build up their farm system. However, they still produced some pretty good players in Wang, Jaba, Hughes and Cano. Melky is a nice player but he is average at best.

Sure R.Johnson, Pavano, Farnsworth, Wright, Igawa and Vasquez have been horrible but on the flip side Mussina, Key, Matsui and El Duque were all very good.

JC86 - Wang is just biding his time......he will definitely cash in when the time comes.

5th road attendance is pretty sad. The Red Sox have been #1 in road attendance for a while.

Sox Road Attendance

2008 #1
2007 #1
2006 #2
2005 #1
2004 #4
2003 #4
2002 #5

Yanks Road Attendance

2008 #5
2007 #2
2006 #1
2005 #2
2004 #1
2003 #1
2002 #1

I also found this on the internet

New York Yankees Yankee Stadium 57545
Los Angeles Dodgers Dodger Stadium 56000
New York Mets Shea Stadium 55600
Toronto Blue Jays Rogers Centre 50600
Colorado Rockies Coors Field 50200
Atlanta Braves Turner Field 50091
Texas Rangers Ameriquest Field in Arlington 49000
Arizona Diamondbacks Chase Field 48570
Baltimore Orioles Oriole Park at Camden Yards 48262
Minnesota Twins Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome 48000
Seattle Mariners Safeco Field 47100
Washington Nationals Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium 45600
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Angel Stadium of Anaheim 45000
St. Louis Cardinals Busch Stadium 44000
Tampa Bay Devil Rays Tropicana Field 43500
Cleveland Indians Jacobs Field 43345
Philadelphia Phillies Citizens Bank Park 43300
Milwaukee Brewers Miller Park 43000
San Diego Padres PETCO Park 42445
Cincinnati Reds Great American Ball Park 42000
San Francisco Giants AT&T Park 41500
Chicago Cubs Wrigley Field 41100
Detroit Tigers Comerica Park 41070
Houston Astros Minute Maid Park 41000
Chicago White Sox U.S. Cellular Field 40600
Kansas City Royals Kauffman Stadium 40600
Boston Red Sox Fenway Park 38800
Pittsburgh Pirates PNC Park 38500
Florida Marlins Dolphin Stadium 36300
Oakland Athletics McAfee Coliseum 34077

And while yes, the Yanks, Mets and Dodgers were top 3 in attendance the following in stadium capacity finished:

Jays #18
Rockies #13
Braves #14
Rangers #25
D-Backs #15
Orioles #24
Twins #21
Mariners #20

It only starts at #13 (Angels) in ballpark size that they crack the top 10 in attendance (#6).

 

[TangoJuliet]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: TangoJuliet
Do realize that the yankees were the #1 home attendance team last year at 53,069/game plus they were the #5 draw on the road at 35,192/game. They were the #1 team combined at 44,131/game. In 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007 they were #1 both at home and on the road. 2005 they were #1 at home and #2 on the road.

So you people can go on and on about the Yankees buying all the talent but they have fans both at home and on the road that support the team. Just last year they had 4.3 million fans attend home games. Thats 200,000 more people then the #2 team - the Mets and 500,000 more people then the #3 team - the Dodgers.

The Yankees had the biggest stadium. They're losing 4000 seats in the new stadium and put them behind the Mets and the Dodgers as far as stadium capacity. Funny that the three teams with biggest stadiums also had the three highest home attendance.

Current Yankee Stadium has a capacity of 56,866 and the new one will be 52,325. Shea Stadium had a capacity of 57,333 while Citi Field will be around 45,000. So the Yanks will lose 4,500 seats with the new stadium while the Mets will lose around 12,000

 

[oznerol]

When the Rays, Diamondbacks, Cardinals, Rockies, Astros, and Marlins can still make it to the World Series - there's very little argument for initiating a salary cap for baseball.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: drum

ERA over W/L is major. There are other stats to delve deeper into that science as well, batting average for balls in play, runs/hits per innings pitched... ect.

Thats what made Cliff Lee so impressive last year. The Indians were as many as 15 games under .500 and were under for most of the year yet he managed to win 22 games. Not only that but there was an occasion where he went 9 scoreless innings and got a no decision... sure there were a couple games he got a lot of runs but the idea is the same.

Cliff Lee was just a force last season, nice guy too.