Does Rand Paul really have a Tin ear?

[Lemon law]

No sooner than Rand Paul tried to end his flop on the 1964 civil rights laws, he has opened up a new gaffe by coming to the defense of BP and all of big business over the oil spill.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100521...zZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNyYW5kcGF1bG9iYW0-

In a sense, Rand Paul may have a tiny point, because of the regulations GWB&co relaxed, BP followed some of those regulations but maybe not all. And now Rand sez, just because BP has said it will be able to pay all costs of the spill, which could well exceed the net worth of BP, means we can't criticize them yet because they have not tried to crawfish out yet.
And even if the BP response to their own spill has been totally ineffectual, we still can;t criticize sacred big business.

The point being, the oil is just starting to wash ashore after a month, and its very likely the entire gulf coast is likely to look like a disaster area in a month of two. And by that time the fact finding investigations will be over, and will very likely damn BP in chapter and verse irresponsible indisputable detail.

Well, at least Rand Paul is honest in a sticking to his libertarian principles, but he has to have a real tin ear not to realize he just committed political suicide in proving why we should not elect a libertarian.

What will Rand Paul's next blunder be?

 

[Moonbeam]

The only thing that interests me is whether he told the truth. I don't care how many votes it costs him if he sticks to what is factual. I want politicians who have a tin ear to everything but what is right.

 

[Anarchist420]

Reading the OP made me completely sick. the regulations caused the oil spill. And libertarians are the only ones against subsidies for big business.

If anyone supports big business it's Obama and the Democratic Party.

 

[Lemon law]

The only thing that interests me is whether he told the truth. I don't care how many votes it costs him if he sticks to what is factual. I want politicians who have a tin ear to everything but what is right.

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But Moonbeam, would you vote for a politician who stuck to his original guns even if he was handed a natural disaster that proved that the earth is flat point he was originally advocating was now disproved for all too see. Do not confuse too stupid to understand with intellectual honesty.

 

[CaptnKirk]

In a sense, Rand Paul may have a tiny point.

I believe that hould be his head, or the hood he wears on it.

 

[heyheybooboo]

In a sense, Rand Paul may have a tiny point.

I believe that would be his head, or the hood he wears on it.

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[Thump553]

I'm sure as far as the media is concerned this guy is like Sarah Palin, Joe Biden and Dan Qualye combined. I wonder who will play him on Saturday Night Live?

BTW the article doesn't set forth Paul's position, but wouldn't a true libertarian be against all regulation of the oil industry and environmental regulations as well? Don't these regulations impede capitalism and property rights?

 

[GuitarDaddy]

I'm sure as far as the media is concerned this guy is like Sarah Palin, Joe Biden and Dan Qualye combined. I wonder who will play him on Saturday Night Live?

BTW the article doesn't set forth Paul's position, but wouldn't a true libertarian be against all regulation of the oil industry and environmental regulations as well? Don't these regulations impede capitalism and property rights?

How about Lyle Lovett? His career seems to be dead, and he has the same dumbass brillo pad hairdoo

 

[Lemon law]

How about Lyle Lovett? His career seems to be dead, and he has the same dumbass brillo pad hairdoo

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Well dumb Liberal me, Lyle Lovett was never on my political radar screen, but out of respect for GuitarDaddy, I decided to google him to learn. Gotta love a links I got, "Listen to Lyle Lovett FREE on Rhapsody.com. Rhapsody lets you explore every style of music without paying per song. Play 25 songs a month for free, ..."

Sorta like Rand Paul, get your slogans, fresh hot slogans, only 25 per month, but at least they are over priced at no charge.

 

[NoStateofMind]

The only thing that interests me is whether he told the truth. I don't care how many votes it costs him if he sticks to what is factual. I want politicians who have a tin ear to everything but what is right.

As I recall it, Truth matters little to you. Only the "lesser evil" with sprinkled lies tickles your fancy.

 

[dahunan]

As I recall it, Truth matters little to you. Only the "lesser evil" with sprinkled lies tickles your fancy.

amazing.. you did such an awesome job of showing us all the truth?

 

[nyker96]

I personally thinks both the regulators and the BP company is to blame. First BP without investigating into the company they hired to do the rig, told the fed regulators that all is safe and they followed the same safety procedures as other rigs they had before. And guaranteed the rig will be safe. The federal regulators just said ok, we can save a trip to your rig. So they both share the fault. From what I read, the feds punished the regulators already and now the government is holding off punishment for BP until the spill clean up is over. The way it should be. Double technical.

I don't see this as a party thing, even if it's 8 years ago under George W Bush's reign he will punish both. Ren Paul's view I would say is probably extreme in this area comparing to even most Republicans. But I do say this. In order to protect legit businesses and oil companies who spent more money and resources on safty issues, BP has to be punished. Otherwise this will put legit business at an monetary disadvantage. Businesses who compete fairly should be protected against those who take shortcuts or the free market will break down.

we can't award cheaters.

 

[NoStateofMind]

amazing.. you did such an awesome job of showing us all the truth?

How do you extrapolate that from my statement?

 

[dahunan]

amazing.. you did such an awesome job of showing us all the truth?

How do you extrapolate that from my statement?

Honest.. I felt you were attacking moonie and saying he has no understanding of the truth.. which he will tell you he doesn't either.. but I will take his version before anyone who seems to be siding with Rand Paul.

Believe it or not.. .Moonie is more sane than 90% of the posters here
^^ sig material for some lib hater

 

[CallMeJoe]

Rand Paul made hay in the Republican primary by virtue of not being a professional politician.

He's now exploring the virtues of not being a competent politician.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Honest.. I felt you were attacking moonie and saying he has no understanding of the truth.. which he will tell you he doesn't either.. but I will take his version before anyone who seems to be siding with Rand Paul.

Believe it or not.. .Moonie is more sane than 90% of the posters here
^^ sig material for some lib hater

I'm confused. You felt I was attacking moonbeam on the fact he doesn't know truth, which he would agree with, yet you would claim the opposite? *shakes head*

I was however pointing to this past election when it seemed like the half truths and lies were blatantly obvious yet that didn't make a difference. They wanted the "lesser of two evils". Regardless thats an argument for another time really.

As for the Paul's, I've been a supporter of Ron's for a few years now. His son I don't know much about but I tend to lean toward libertarian ideas. Perfect? No. None of the options are perfect and you would be sadly mistaken to think such.

Rand as senator? Probably not. Would I like it? Yes. Why? Because he would provide balance. Right now its all about spending and the more TRUE conservatives we have the better it will be for all of us. Less spending would eventually, hopefully lead to lower taxes etc.

 

[dahunan]

Honest.. I felt you were attacking moonie and saying he has no understanding of the truth.. which he will tell you he doesn't either.. but I will take his version before anyone who seems to be siding with Rand Paul.

Believe it or not.. .Moonie is more sane than 90% of the posters here
^^ sig material for some lib hater

I'm confused. You felt I was attacking moonbeam on the fact he doesn't know truth, which he would agree with, yet you would claim the opposite? *shakes head*

I was however pointing to this past election when it seemed like the half truths and lies were blatantly obvious yet that didn't make a difference. They wanted the "lesser of two evils". Regardless thats an argument for another time really.

As for the Paul's, I've been a supporter of Ron's for a few years now. His son I don't know much about but I tend to lean toward libertarian ideas. Perfect? No. None of the options are perfect and you would be sadly mistaken to think such.

Rand as senator? Probably not. Would I like it? Yes. Why? Because he would provide balance. Right now its all about spending and the more TRUE conservatives we have the better it will be for all of us. Less spending would eventually, hopefully lead to lower taxes etc.

I post too emotionally... I do...

Truth.. I shouldn't have replied to your comment... it was more for moonie... and yes... I caught some BS from Obama during pre-election that was half-truths for sure

Thank you for pointing out that Rand would add a difference in thinking .. even if not right.. it is not as bad or is more rational than the career politicians up there... and I appreciate his Dad.. and will, I guess, give his son a little more time to wise-up.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I post too emotionally... I do...

Truth.. I shouldn't have replied to your comment... it was more for moonie... and yes... I caught some BS from Obama during pre-election that was half-truths for sure

That is something I find very valuable and lacking in modern politics. Honesty.

Thank you for pointing out that Rand would add a difference in thinking .. even if not right.. it is not as bad or is more rational than the career politicians up there... and I appreciate his Dad.. and will, I guess, give his son a little more time to wise-up.

Does he need time? Or does he need time to learn how a real politician speaks? Now a real politician would have said (recent events I'm not sure about) something that would pander to both sides. Honesty requires being forthright and up front making you look bad in the public eye at times. I don't think extremes, be it either progressive or conservative ideas are in and of themselves the answer. We need to reign in frivolous spending first and I think Rand can help with that.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Rand Paul may not have the political sense needed to be a politician, at least an elected politician.

 

[DaveSimmons]

The mining company is not to blame for the deaths in their mine, BP is not to blame for the oil.

Odd. I thought libertarians believed in personal responsibility, not just freedom from government.

 

[cubby1223]

I'd rather there be some libertarians with input and varying train of thought...

than what we currently have going on in congress

Maybe we do need someone who is willing to stand on principle, whether right or wrong, then those who we have now who pander to whoever contributes the most to the campaign effort.

 

[cubby1223]

Besides, he actually does have a point in what he's saying. I don't for one instance believe anyone at BP wakes up each morning and thinks to himself over breakfast "What more can I do today to destroy the environment?"

It's the liberal talking heads that disgust me more than anything Paul has said.

Like go back to the Civil Rights Act comments, how about the liberal numbnuts talk down about all the Democrats who tried to stop the act in its entirety? No, they scream and shout about someone who would have tweaked one aspect of something that was enacted when he was at the wise old age of one - for no other reason than they want the "progressive" agenda enacted. That is the only motivation behind this crap in the media. And seeing who created this thread doesn't surprise me in the least.



My opinion we should not be harassing B.P. right now, rather focus on whatever it takes to help stop the leak and clean up the mess. The last thing we need is for those capable of helping the current situation to suddenly say "fuck it, I don't care anymore."

Should we have SEIU organize bussed-in protest riots on the front lawns of everyone who works at B.P.? Would that help solve the problem? That's what they are doing to bank employees. Let's do that to B.P. now, let's intimidate them into submission!

 

[Lemon law]

It may well be all well and fine for cubby1223 to say, "Besides, he actually does have a point in what he's saying. I don't for one instance believe anyone at BP wakes up each morning and thinks to himself over breakfast "What more can I do today to destroy the environment?"
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The problem is and remains, not enough people at BP wake up every morning worrying about the environment, and what happens if all the corner cutting shortcuts they made is going to result in an a disaster.

And as we see, after BP done fucked up, they had no effective plans in place to plug this well. And all they do is try one ineffective improvised plan B after another because they clearly did not understand the risks.

Basically BP was playing Russian Roulette with tens of millions of American lives.

Cubby1223, maybe you can take your act on the road to the gulf coast, and tell it to face to face to the people who are now unemployed, and tell them what you told this forum with your post. If you are lucky, you might escape with only a few black eyes. But better except that dare quick, because BP will soon realize they did more damage than their company is worth, and then when they start to crawfish out out of paying, there are going to be millions of pissed off people.