Does Pep Boys sell garbage, or am I unlucky?

reitz

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I've bought exactly four items from Pep Boys ever. The 10-year-old battery in our Subaru Outback went in November; my wife went out on her lunch break to buy a new one and Pep Boys was the closest, so she bought it there.

Three weeks later it was dead. I took it back to the place where she bought it (of course they don't have a computer system that would let me return it to the three closer stores to our house without a receipt) and exchanged for a new one. Since I was already there and needed a water pump (and the nearest Advance that had one was a 20 mile drive from the house), I asked the clerk to check.

It was a shot in the dark, really...generally no one but Advance or Autozone has any Subaru-specific parts in stock around here. They had it, it cost $3 more than Advance, so I bought it figuring it was worth the extra to not have to make another trip. They also had the timing belt for the same price as Advance, so I bought that, too.

The second battery died last week. I decided I wasn't going to waste my time on a third and OK'd my wife paying $20 more for AAA to install a new one when they came to give her a jump...I'll just get a refund when I take it back to Pep Boys tomorrow.

The car has been leaking coolant (about half a gallon/week) since the water pump change. It was clearly leaking from the thermostat housing, so I changed the thermostat last week. It might have taken a knock or I might have torn the gasket when doing the water pump. I completely cleaned the housing when I replaced the thermostat so I could tell if it was still leaking. It's bone dry a week later...not a drop is coming out.

The car still lost a third of a gallon of coolant this week, and this evening I determined that it's coming from inside the timing belt cover. That means it's coming from the front of the water pump, which means only one thing: the pump was bad when I put it on.


Three of the four items I've bought from Pep Boys were bad out-of-the-box, and all were purchased in the past three months. I'm not going to waste my time on another water pump from them...I'll get a refund and install the one from Advance (different brand). I'm seriously questioning whether I should trust the timing belt I bought from there. The Subaru has an interference engine...if the timing belt goes, a whole bunch of bits are going to get smashed that really shouldn't get smashed, and it'll cost a lot more than I want to put into this car.

Has anyone else found replacement parts from Pep Boys to be total garbage, or have I just had an unlucky streak? For $50 and some peace of mind, I'm thinking of buying a new timing belt from Advance and throwing the one from Pep Boys away...I have to take it off anyway to replace the defective pump.

Thoughts?
 

allanon1965

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for imports, especially soobies (subarus) and hondas, go dealer all the way....we stopped using aftermarket parts on these cars period...not even aftermarket oil filters! It aint worth the hassle...if you had used OEM parts, you wouldnt be taking it apart again..

now for the DIYer, you can do it over and not be out a lot of labor money cause you are the labor, but in a shop enviroment time is money and no one likes doing a job over because of faulty parts...and I guarantee pepboys and the other aftermarket sellers will NOT pay a labor claim...they just give you another crap part and say"sorry"...not only that but what would have happened if that pump locked up due to the coolant galling the bearing as it leaked out? I havent checked your model but many soobies are interference engines....that means if the timing belt broke, you now have a destroyed engine.

pepboys or advance or autozone wont replace your engine in that case either...just warranty the pump, and maybe the belt but most likely not...soobie engines are very expensive...
 

LTC8K6

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I'd wonder about the alternator, since pep-boys batteries are likely made by one of the big three makers, and shouldn't be poor quality.
 

allanon1965

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yes, but the batteries are not made to the big 3 standards, but to the standards pepboys desires....the want a cheap battery and the battery maker will have to cut corners somewhere to comply....
 

ecom

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Do they have more than one grade of battery? For example Sears has Silver and Gold Die Hard batteries.

That said, I've purchased multiple batteries from Costco and never had an issue. Very competitive price to boot. Last one I think was $60 + $9 core.
 

fleabag

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did you fully charge the battery? Sometimes the batteries in these places are severely discharged and so when you put them in your car, the car isn't able to charge them properly since the charging system isn't designed for that and then it goes "dead". Maybe you should get a battery charger and fully charge these guys before putting them into service or something. Charge is especially important during the cold months because you'll have access to less of the charge.
 

Gibson486

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Never got a battery...but in terms of other parts, they sell the same stuff everyone else sells. brake hoses: from Dorman. Calipers: A1. They are not going to go out of their way to buy crap. It would cost them more to do that.
 

allanon1965

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they dont go out of their way to buy crap? if they use dorman and a-1 thats exactly what that stuff is, crap... try out dorman power window regulator units, 3.8 gm upper intake manifold kits, dorman replacement oil coller lines for GM....all of these have over 80% failure rate in our shop...we stopped using them and went to OE and have not had an issue since, so it is not installer error.

2 of the power window units were defective right out of the box, missing rivets and dead motors... we have had calipers from a-1 that leaked before it got out the door, new axles from a-1, not remans, that wouldnt fit properly because the radius on the shaft was machined incorrectly, I could go on all day about this type of stuff, and give you mmore examples than you would want to read..my point is that you really need to stick with OE parts these days if your car is 1996 or newer...the only drawback is eventually you will have to use aftermarket due to OE stopping support...

most of the DIY crowd never sees the failure rates I do due to the fact they buy a part 1 time usually and thats it, unless it fails. I see alot of failures everyday so I am going to see the trends in crap parts much quicker.

the addage is you get what you pay for....and it is so very true in respect to modern day auto repair parts...

the only non-OE item used on my personal car is oil....and if my car was a euro import, it wouldnt even get that..OE fluids only on euro and asian autos...
 

Gibson486

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they dont go out of their way to buy crap? if they use dorman and a-1 thats exactly what that stuff is, crap... try out dorman power window regulator units, 3.8 gm upper intake manifold kits, dorman replacement oil coller lines for GM....all of these have over 80% failure rate in our shop...we stopped using them and went to OE and have not had an issue since, so it is not installer error.

2 of the power window units were defective right out of the box, missing rivets and dead motors... we have had calipers from a-1 that leaked before it got out the door, new axles from a-1, not remans, that wouldnt fit properly because the radius on the shaft was machined incorrectly, I could go on all day about this type of stuff, and give you mmore examples than you would want to read..my point is that you really need to stick with OE parts these days if your car is 1996 or newer...the only drawback is eventually you will have to use aftermarket due to OE stopping support...

most of the DIY crowd never sees the failure rates I do due to the fact they buy a part 1 time usually and thats it, unless it fails. I see alot of failures everyday so I am going to see the trends in crap parts much quicker.

the addage is you get what you pay for....and it is so very true in respect to modern day auto repair parts...

the only non-OE item used on my personal car is oil....and if my car was a euro import, it wouldnt even get that..OE fluids only on euro and asian autos...

Well, that is good for you. According to you, i can't even buy stuff from any place now....
 

allanon1965

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not at all, the dealer is a place:)...seriously... you can buy anywhere you want, just dont be surprised if the parts have issues from the aftermarket, I get it so much that I am jaded against the aftermarket now...I like the peace of mind and the hassle free maintaining of my own stuff, that I get when I use OE stuff...I get enough stress from crap parts at work, I dont need it at home too:)
 
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I agree. I've found overall that Napa and O'Reilly's have the best parts but I've given up 'risking' it and just go to the dealer for parts for the most part.

I use purolator filters and mobil1 oil
 
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Also fwiw I've seen some SEVERELY borked stuff from advance as well. Of the 'cheap 3' (autozone, advance, pep boys) autozone is the best. However, like I said in my previous post, o'reilly's and esp napa is the best if you can't go dealer.
 

Gibson486

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Also fwiw I've seen some SEVERELY borked stuff from advance as well. Of the 'cheap 3' (autozone, advance, pep boys) autozone is the best. However, like I said in my previous post, o'reilly's and esp napa is the best if you can't go dealer.

I love Napa. Best thing is the high end stuff. Most of it comes with a lifetime warranty. As for Autozone, it's tied with Pepboys. The one great thing about pepboys is that they improve manufacture warranties. If it comes with a 3 month, they bump it up to a 9 month. Advanced is yikes.....but all 3 of them sell that stupid one man bleeder kit that does not work.
 

Meghan54

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C'mon. While I agree Dorman and A-1 sometimes aren't exactly the best choice of suppliers out there, the consumer parts stores sell them because of price, which a lot of people are most sensitive of.

On the other hand, to simply dismiss ALL parts out of Pep Boys, AutoZone, et al, as junk with the dealer having the only "quality" parts is just silly.

Take the oil coolant hose you mentioned. True, I wouldn't buy the Dorman either. But I'd sure trust a Gates or Goodyear from Pep Boys or AutoZone or wherever. And the same goes for most OEM-replacement parts.

And while it's true that OE parts are sometimes the best choice, usually they're not the only quality choice.

In all honesty, I'm surprised a "professional" shop was actually doing repairs with the lowest of the low end brand replacement parts. I know my brother's shop in Sterling, VA would never try to use scut parts like A-1.

And also remember, even within the cheapie parts suppliers, there are several steps of "quality" to choose from, so even A-1, in their new parts---not refurbished junk---jewels can be found.
 

allanon1965

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I dont have control in our shop of the parts purchases, that is management, they try to get the job sold with high quality parts first and give different options and the possible outcomes of those options. The customer is the one who makes the decidion in the end about which option they will use or can afford. We are a "professional" shop, with over 250,000.00 in manufaturer specific diagnostic tools and equipment.

Did you know that A-1 has bought out 90% of the rebuiders in the country? A-1 does, has and will continue to sell crap parts because they can, and the consumers still buy them, they just warranty whatever fails...if it cost them more over the returns, they would change their ways, but it doesnt.

major automoitve aftermarket retailers are alot like wal-mart, they push for the cheapest price possible and encourage the suppliers to make cheaper versions of the good stuff.

I tell you this much right now, I know for a fact that the tires you buy from wal-mart, sams club, costco and sears cannot be bought at their respective manufacturers dealers...you cant go to goodyear and buy a goodyear Viva II from them. They cant get it. Those tires are made specifically for wal-mart and the quality is NOT there. I know this because I worked for goodyear tire and rubber for almost 10 years and saw it everyday..sears goodyear weather handlers are the same way too, only available from sears.

next example, computers bought at wal-mart and other discount stores are not available from the manufacturer either, they also are only made for those stores, emachines, hewlett packard, all of them do it and the quality sucks...how do I know? I bought my wife an hp in 1997 from wal-mart, got it home and it wouldnt post. Called hp support and they asked the model number. I told them and then they asked which wal-mart store I got it at! They told me right from their mouths that the unit was a factory reconditioned unit sold to the discount stores. There was NO mention of it being a reconditioned unit on the box anywhere.

That is why I started building my own from then on...


If I ran this shop, those parts would not be used, rest assured...and they are not used on my own cars..period.

I wont even step foot in a wal-mart store...havent been in one in over a year. I can get what I need locally from local merchants.

dont forget I see over 45 cars each week, and with that kind of volume, I will see alot more crap parts than most people...
 

Arkaign

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That's a crazy bad streak on the battery, and it leads me to believe that either that's a defective batch or that your car has something else wrong with the electrical system.

I've used Wal-Mart and Autozone batteries for years and years, and never get less than 4-5 years of life from them. Of course I live in Texas, so it never really gets that cold, or that humid (in DFW at least, I know Houston is a sauna a lot of the time). The thing about batteries is that the tech is really old, it's not rocket science. Even a relatively poor-quality battery shouldn't die in less than a year.

Other stuff I've used from autozone and oreillys with no problem :

Starters
Alternators
Rotors/Pads
Belts
Gaskets
etc

I've never had something go out on me unexpectedly that I've gotten from them, though I usually ask the guy which of the various options is the best choice when I buy, as a lot of times there will be several brands available for a given part.
 

Arkaign

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Oh yeah, OEM is not always best :p

My GF's Kia Rio came with a little half-battery POS thing (anyone seen those? looks like it would be out of one of those tiny toy toddler cars), and it was pretty much toast after less than 15k miles of use, after a replacement of the first dead one at the dealer. The weird thing about it was the battery area was large enough to accommodate a larger battery, but it was bracketed together so it would hold the half-battery. I took the bracket off and put in a full-size battery (spec for Honda 1.6L DOHC motor), and it starts easier and has been running beautifully for 2 years and 35k miles.

Aftermarket > OEM in that case :p

EDIT : I should say that OEM is a safe bet for maintaining the status quo of your vehicle's reliability, but if the OEM part was crap to begin with, them perhaps a quality aftermarket part might be worth looking into. You usually get what you pay for, so if you go cheap aftermarket, don't be surprised if the results are sometimes less than stellar.
 
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fbrdphreak

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If you're shopping for Subaru OEM parts, I highly recommend http://www.fredbeansparts.com

The staff is very responsive and prices are much better than straight from the dealer.

I've bought from them before and am about to do my 60K tune-up through them.
 

LTC8K6

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Hmmm...my company car here in NC has a Fred Beans sticker on it. Always wondered...it came from our HQ in PA...