Do OLED displays have better refresh rates and or allow for potentially better refresh rates than LCDs do at the moment? I'm just wondering if I should just wait it out to upgrade my LCDs. I currently have two 19" 1280X1024 LCD monitors with only VGA input and while I would really like to have higher resolution monitors with DVI etc. I'm just really not seeing too large of an advantage of upgrading my LCD monitors when they seem to be doing their current job alright (they're not dead yet at least). So I'm thinking that maybe I'll just skip upgrading to an LCD and may just wait until OLED comes to the mainstream for LCD displays kind of like wating for holographic discs..
Does OLED allow for better refesh rates than LCDs?
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I got the impression that OLED was pretty much not going to make mainstream for displays larger than handhelds. No idea why really, nor can I remember where I read it.
The new new hotness would appear to be SED though - the demo units are stunningly good looking: http://www.behardware.com/articles/593-...-encounters-of-the-third-kind-sed.html
The new new hotness would appear to be SED though - the demo units are stunningly good looking: http://www.behardware.com/articles/593-...-encounters-of-the-third-kind-sed.html
Just curious why you're talking about refresh rates? Aren't they fairly irrelevant when it comes to LCDs?
If they're doing their job, I say just stick with them. You'll probably end up on a long quest to find some that suit your liking and have all kinds of problems along the way.
While I don't expect SED to really show up soon (2007 probably at the earliest and most likely on larger screens so as to maximize profit early), by waiting you reap a lot of benefits with no downfalls since you're happy with what you have now. LCD panels should get better, and cheaper the longer you wait. Also you can get a much better idea of what you'll need for HDCP compliance (both from your video card and monitor).
What you could do is do a little research and pick a few different monitors that do what you like. Then just check deal sites and if a really nice deal on one comes along jump on it.
At the very least by waiting you can get a better idea of when SED or any other technologies worth looking into are set to come out with anything you'd be wanting to look at (won't do you much good if all they make using it for the first year is 40" screens, does it?).
If they're doing their job, I say just stick with them. You'll probably end up on a long quest to find some that suit your liking and have all kinds of problems along the way.
While I don't expect SED to really show up soon (2007 probably at the earliest and most likely on larger screens so as to maximize profit early), by waiting you reap a lot of benefits with no downfalls since you're happy with what you have now. LCD panels should get better, and cheaper the longer you wait. Also you can get a much better idea of what you'll need for HDCP compliance (both from your video card and monitor).
What you could do is do a little research and pick a few different monitors that do what you like. Then just check deal sites and if a really nice deal on one comes along jump on it.
At the very least by waiting you can get a better idea of when SED or any other technologies worth looking into are set to come out with anything you'd be wanting to look at (won't do you much good if all they make using it for the first year is 40" screens, does it?).
Dan of Dan's Data reckons about the same as LCD. I tend to think he talks a lot of sense about a lot of things so I see no reason not to take that as accurate, although I wouldn't mind seeing some actual figures somewhere. Apparently the underlying technology is possibly cheaper to make as well - having a look through various engadget posts seems to imply this, at least...
Is this one of the technologies that they can print the panels instead of having to manufacture them in the way they have to do LCD/Plasma? If so then its supposed to lead to them being able to make very inexpensive panels. Maybe I'm thinking of OLED or something else though.
I thought I recall hearing that SED should offer better power efficiency than LCD (so not necessarily less power consumption, but better use of it, which would I think translate to less loss in the form of heat, which should improve lifetime of the panels and better packaging).
Um, possibly. Not sure about printing the panels, but it's apparently supposed to be a much cheaper and more reliable manufacturing process - you may be right.
I hope you're ready to wait a few years at least. They're having problems manufacturing OLED's bigger than a few inches on a large scale. Plus like any new technology they'll probably have some issues; who knows what response times are like.
And why are you so concerned with refresh rates? They're irrelevant on LCD's. Maybe you mean response times?
SED is supposed to have better power efficiency than LCD's at ~30" and above (above 32", LCD frequently needs to use 2 or more panels in a single display). But last I heard, SED has been delayed a year or two, is coming in limited quantities at first, and is still aimed at the 32-50" TV market primarily.
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OLED is massively faster:
Response time is considered < 0.01 ms
Compare that with the average claimed LCD response of 16 ms.
I would love an OLED when the get comercial screens going, but who knows when that will be. Same for SED. We are years away from either type of monitor.
I am going to buy another CRT to hold me over.
Response time is considered < 0.01 ms
Compare that with the average claimed LCD response of 16 ms.
I would love an OLED when the get comercial screens going, but who knows when that will be. Same for SED. We are years away from either type of monitor.
I am going to buy another CRT to hold me over.
yes I meant response times.. So I probably should just get a SED tv because OLED is far from becoming mainstream? (especially with the low 1000 hour blue light lifespan?)
Yes get a SED TV as long as they aren't going to cost $4000 for a 40" screen at launch (which they might).
Originally the release was going to be 2006/2007 and ramping up for 08/09, but for some reason it's been delayed and quantities have been put the sqeeze on (manufacturing problems?).
They also realize that SED is the best of both worlds: high res fixed pixel display with better contrast than anything and low power consumption to boot. It seems like SED is going to be expensive and marketed as a premium product at launch.
If you want an HDTV in the next couple of years, I'd recommend what's on the market already unless you're willing to break the bank.
And don't hold your breath for OLED. They can't make OLED's the size of small LCD monitors, let alone consumer TV's. The only OLED's that are mass consumed AFAIK are eg. cell phone screens.
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One of the coolest things I read about OLED (aside from the fact that it can be rolled) is that apparently it only uses energy when it changes states, and it can hold an image for up to 3 months! I imagine in 10+ years they will have "programmable" books that you just plug in and it loads the pages and you get your 3 mos or whatever until you have to recharge it. But for the next 5 years, there's no point losing any sleep over OLED TV's - they just aren't coming.
Aaarrgghh. At this rate, SEDs won't be available until post-Armageddon, at which point it all becomes moot.
I agree though, OLEDs are probably not practical for large TV/monitor screens.
There is that Samsung OLED TV listed on shopping.com, although you can't actually buy it yet.
Most larger LCDs only go up to 60hz, which means they can't display anything more than 60fps. That's a fairly big limitation to me in fast paced games, but SEDs at least will probably be able to do much more. Not sure about OLEDs though.
Most larger LCDs only go up to 60hz, which means they can't display anything more than 60fps. That's a fairly big limitation to me in fast paced games, but SEDs at least will probably be able to do much more. Not sure about OLEDs though.
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12ms+?? Sonys own page shows well under 1 ms.
OLED response time From Sony:
Response Time(at 25°C, ON) ~ 0.01 Mil. sec.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press_Archive/200409/04-048E/
OLEDs also offer faster response time and better contrast. Response time for OLEDs is 0.01 milliseconds compared to 16 milliseconds for Sony's LCD, contrast ratio is 1,000:1 compared to 100:1, and the OLED has 180-degree vertical and horizontal viewing angles, while a Sony LCD screen of the same size has a 130-degree vertical and 125-degree horizontal viewing angle, according to comparison data released by the company on Tuesday.
http://cio.co.nz/cio.nsf/e1895ba976103c...54623/977fb86373ade4eecc256f110078e5ff!OpenDocument
I wouldn't make a bet on wether you see OLED or SED computer monitor first, but I would bet either is at least 3 years away. OLEDs are already in digital cameras. SED target is 2007 for a TV. They will probably be $4k plus exclusive item.
A new CRT should last me 5 years easy. By then LCD should be much improved, and SED and/or OLED should be available too.
Last I heard Sony dumped a ton of dough into R & D for future LCD technologies with OLED being so far from production. Sony is betting heavily on LCD, and their Grand Wega lineup is (I think) exclusively LCD based. Consequently Sony makes pretty much the best LCD-TV's on the market.
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Sony's top end Grand Wega (SXRD) are LCOS, which is projection only technology.
Some stuff that should be nice though is LED powered backlighting. I expect we will also see LCD monitors that refresh the display like a CRT but at 120Hz, I think there are already some TV's like this.
I wouldn't write off OLED either. One company has a breakthrough producing 100 000 hour Blue OLED. Blue was one of the stumbling blocks.
Waiting for any of this is pointless. I need a new monitor now. After buying an LCD and being quite unhappy with it, I am strongly considering one more CRT. Which should easily last until there are plenty of new technologies on the market.
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