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Does Obama Want to Destroy America? Yes, But…

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Matthiasa said:
I stopped reading somewhere after...
But yeah, so people actually believe that stuff?
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Don't you? If you are a partisan on the right OR the left, the author does seem to clearly describe the relevant positions.

He uses one paragraph to describe what he believes the progressives are all about -

Liberals think that the U.S. is arrogant and needs to be taken down a notch or three. Liberals think that U.S. history is filled with nothing but evil and any attacks on the U.S. are richly deserved. Liberals think that the U.S. was founded by evil, selfish, hateful white men who were only interested in their own power and didn’t want to empower others. So, liberals want the founder’s memory eviscerated. Liberals think that our capitalist system needs to be eliminated. In short, liberals value nothing about the U.S. except its tradition of self-actuation, liberty, and its freedom to re-make itself and they want to use that capacity to erase everything that makes the U.S.A. the U.S.A. Once that is done they want to build a U.S. to their own liking using the very freedoms they used to lay her low.
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While he is accurate in that description, he, too, fails to lay out exactly what it is that liberals/progressives will replace the America we know with. That is the question that remains unanswered by every progressive posting in this forum.

Look, it will not be too hard to effect an extended Democrat regime, though if it is imposed at this stage in history, I believe it may result in something approaching a civil war.

1. With Democrats controlling both the Congress and the White House, their legislative agenda cannot be stopped by the Republicans. The Repubs are completely neutered at this time and not involved in the slightest in the business of the Federal government.

2. The Obama/Reid/Pelosi agenda has alarmed a significant percentage of the American population and has energized them from a state of dormancy to activism. They are projected to vote to remove the Democrats from Congress wholesale come November. If they do so, the agenda is stalemated and we will see business as usual in Washington.

3. Here we have to make an assumption and a conjecture. The assumption is that Obama and the Democrats will not tolerate the usurpation of their power. The conjecture is that they will act to change the rules to insure that they will not be removed from power.

4. The rule change is the now front burner issue of immigration "reform." It is no longer the anthropogenic global warming nonsense, or cap and trade or whatever other mechanism was previously thought to guarantee the continuation of One Party Democrat rule. Those have dropped off the radar completely. And those millions of illegals have become very, very, very important.

5. Without any viable Republican opposition, the Democrats may move to enfranchise all landed aliens, legal or not. They may also enfranchise felons and others who have lost voting rights, but it is the newly legal illegals that they want.

6. This population, they believe, will vote Democrat and neutralize the growing surge of opposition to the Democrats. And why wouldn't they? They just got handed a gift of magnanimous generosity and the power of the vote. And, for all intents and purposes, the opposition to the Democrats just got disenfranchised.

7. There are two questions if this should come to pass - The first is the one I posed in the OP, what exactly is going to replace the America we know? The second one is, what are the people who just got disenfranchised, and maybe a whole lot more, going to do?
 
Matthiasa said:
That would be the description that I stopped reading at, as it is wholly untrue.
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Would you care to offer a counter perspective? And offer us an idea of what the progressives will emplace should they be successful in maintaining power?
 
Naw in a history/government class I had in high school there was only one person that ended up more liberal/progressive then I did based on some multi choice thing. 😛
 
It's all malarkey. Libs/progressives want a society that allows no one to fail. They want very tight control on what the population is allowed to do, except for sexual matters, where anything goes. They want religion banned, and they want control over what our children are taught.
Conservatives want as little government as possible, they want free markets to determine the cost of goods, they want competition in every market, they want children taught the three r's, and they want a safety net in place for those that are foolish, unlucky, victimized, or just plain to stupid to come in out of the rain.
On either side, the one burning issue they have in common is getting re-elected. Everything is secondary to that, and both sides will spend whatever amount of our money it takes to make that happen.
 
Greenman said:
It's all malarkey. Libs/progressives want a society that allows no one to fail. They want very tight control on what the population is allowed to do, except for sexual matters, where anything goes. They want religion banned, and they want control over what our children are taught.
Conservatives want as little government as possible, they want free markets to determine the cost of goods, they want competition in every market, they want children taught the three r's, and they want a safety net in place for those that are foolish, unlucky, victimized, or just plain to stupid to come in out of the rain.
On either side, the one burning issue they have in common is getting re-elected. Everything is secondary to that, and both sides will spend whatever amount of our money it takes to make that happen.
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Just no, maybe separation of church and state but that is far from a ban.
Are you trying to insinuate that conservatives don't want to do that as well?
Oh and when was the last time a small government conservative was in power?
And you forgot creationism in that last part. 🙁
/nit pick
 
Greenman said:
It's all malarkey. Libs/progressives want a society that allows no one to fail. They want very tight control on what the population is allowed to do, except for sexual matters, where anything goes. They want religion banned, and they want control over what our children are taught.
Conservatives want as little government as possible, they want free markets to determine the cost of goods, they want competition in every market, they want children taught the three r's, and they want a safety net in place for those that are foolish, unlucky, victimized, or just plain to stupid to come in out of the rain.
On either side, the one burning issue they have in common is getting re-elected. Everything is secondary to that, and both sides will spend whatever amount of our money it takes to make that happen.
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The premise of the article pretty much nails it though. Obama and a good number of democrats don't care if they are reelected or not because they are obviously going against the will of the people and face certain defeat come november. But they continue anyway. Why is that? Because the end goal is to destroy the country and have people turn to government to fix and radically alter. This is the very promise of Alinsky/Marx and they believe it will work.

They are not even trying to hide it. They're doing it in the open.

My very own rep John Yarmuth has said it many times. He openly admits he doesn't care if he's re-elected. In his mind his work and votes are for the better good of the nation and future, regardless of what his constituents think. I'm not making this up, he says this in interviews all the time. And he's super liberal. The end justifies the means.
 
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DanDaManJC said:
How are Obama's "liberal" policies going to destroy America?

For one, the financials are pretty much the same.
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Other than the national debt skyrocketing out of control, with an estimated 20 trillion by 2020 based on CBO estimates, yeah, everything is the same.

Are you fucking retarded?
 
Matthiasa said:
Oh btw hope you don't take any social security, disability, Medicaid, etc when you get older,
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Unlike much of the Democrat voting base, I dont rely on the government to sustain myself when I am older. I have my own pension, ROTH, and healthy savings built up, and I am only 25.

Let me opt out of SS, give me all the money back I have put in, and I will do it in a heartbeat. You see, some of us dont need big brother to hold our fucking hands and wipe our asses for us.
 
nick1985 said:
Unlike much of the Democrat voting base, I dont rely on the government to sustain myself when I am older. I have my own pension, ROTH, and healthy savings built up, and I am only 25.

Let me opt out of SS, give me all the money back I have put in, and I will do it in a heartbeat. You see, some of us dont need big brother to hold our fucking hands and wipe our asses for us.
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Yep. We practice what we preach. Personal responsibility and individual liberty. Freedom carries responsibility.
 
cliftonite said:
Doesn't make me feel any better or worse. Amazing how many people come out and bitch about the debt when they had no such outrage in the past.
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I had outrage in the past. Now its skyrocketing and I am really pissed off about it. It will ruin this country and you, dont give a shit about it.

Instead of that complete fucking apathy towards the biggest problem facing our nation (which I bolded), I suggest you take off your partisan blinders and stand up against this surging debt crisis that is eating away this nation.
 
I've thought since last fall that the elections this November would not take place. There is too much at stake for the progressive movement. Too much money and effort plus decades of waiting for all of this to fall into place. Their time is now and they're not going to let it slip away easily.

But having said that, I'm not sure how they're going to try and pull it off. My original thought was that there would be a "crisis" that would necessitate "temporarily postponing" the elections. But the political climate is such that there would be revolution in the streets. A civil war as PJABBER stated earlier. Messy, with no guarantees on the outcome.

One avenue I see at this time is an all out assault on the Tea Party movement. They are going to have to manufacture some horrific event they can tack onto the movement to discredit it in the eyes of the majority of Americans. Even if they were successful, I doubt the impact it would have would be enough. The Tea Party movement is not big enough to accomplish what they need. Plus, Americans are wising up. Something like this would be seen through on a wholesale basis.

I don't agree that amnesty for illegals is going to be their salvation. The Mexican population as a whole is known for being conservative, a devotion to Christianity and what we call here, "family values". Of course the illegal population here to a great extent do not embrace those values. Regardless, it's a crap shoot.

Manipulation of the election is their only hope. With the placement of, IIRC, 11 (maybe 17, can't remember) left-wing Secretaries of State sympathetic to the progressive movement, the elections in a number of key states can potentially be manipulated. http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7487 Remember, Obama told members of Congress that they need to "trust him". Cast your vote for a health care bill vehemently opposed by your electorate - trust me on this. As Joseph Stalin said, "The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."

The chances of pulling this off are very good IMO. As to what direction, what path the progressives will take - what their vision for America will be, IMO only George Soros knows. One thing is certain, those that will not go along willingly will have to be dealt with. They will first be marginalized, which is going on right now. If they can't then be re-educated they will have to be eliminated. My guess is that few progressives actually think this will be necessary. They are so enthralled with their narcissistic ideals of a perfect society engineered by the elite that they feel others will eventually see the light. But if push comes to shove, they will pull the trigger, light the oven or release the gas if needed. There can be no dissension in the society this bunch wishes for this nation.

But you know, ours is an extremely well armed society.

Somewhat fun to theorize on this stuff, but somewhat scary too.
 
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I think you you forgot to put back on your tinfoil hat. 🙁
Conspiracy theories are fun and all, but someone always leaks for something of that scale.
nick1985 said:
Unlike much of the Democrat voting base, I dont rely on the government to sustain myself when I am older. I have my own pension, ROTH, and healthy savings built up, and I am only 25.

Let me opt out of SS, give me all the money back I have put in, and I will do it in a heartbeat. You see, some of us dont need big brother to hold our fucking hands and wipe our asses for us.
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The bases of both parties rely heavily on it, not just the democratic one.
Why do you think most republican states gerenally take far more from the government then democratic states?
 
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CADsortaGUY said:
But but but none of you(me) teabagger types ever said anything... errrr I mean well maybe you did but it makes for a better tantrum if I ignore the facts...

/libtard tantrum
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Wow a post here a post there is really the same thing as the number of threads/posts/hate towards the current administration. Nice try though.
 
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