Does Obama Want to Destroy America? Yes, But…

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In the following piece Huston considers the events that are taking place on the political landscape and then proffers a perspective that reflects the reasoning behind a good deal of the anti-Obama/anti-Democrat fervor in the country.

I am already familiar with the variety of conservative perspectives, but with quite a few progressives wandering the halls of this forum, I would like to hear their opinions as to whether Huston gets it right.

If he does get it right in this article, and I do believe he does, I also believe it is important for liberals/progressives to fully detail their agenda and defend what it is they imagine is going to follow.

Despite participating in this forum for over a year and despite reading reams of liberal rhetoric, I find that very few, if any, progressives actually articulate what will follow the end of America as we know it, should they succeed.

Will there be a magical land with unicorns gamboling, will we face a Marxist-Leninist workers' utopia, will we disintegrate into a loose amalgam rather than a solid union, what do the progressives actually plan to put in place of America as we know it?

Does Obama Want to Destroy America? Yes, But…

by Warner Todd Huston

Rush Limbaugh and a few other radio hosts have made it a center piece of the attack against President Obama, the Tea Partiers have often put such sentiment on their protest signs, and the conservative chattering classes have been abuzz with the question: does Barack Obama want to destroy the United States?

The only real answer is “yes, but…” Yes he does, but only if it’s your ox being gored. Yes he does but there is more to it than that. And if it’s someone else’s veritable Oxen the answer might still be “yes, but…”

Conservative radio host Michael Medved, for one, emphatically denies that Obama wants to “destroy the country.” Medved employs the conventional logic that a politician that wants to be re-elected would not want to destroy the very nation that he has been elected to lead.

That would make sense if only Obama were a conventional politician and if only Obama himself hadn’t told ABC News, “I’d rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president.” That very sentence straight from this president’s own mouth seems to shoot full of holes Medved’s conventional logic.

Still, in a way, Medved has stumbled upon a certain amount of truth no matter how small. The problem is that what we really have here is a misunderstanding of concepts. The fact is, following his straight down the line, left-wing, anti-American, radical ideology, Obama does want to destroy the U.S.A. as it is now. But in his mind he is not trying to destroy America simply because he wants utter destruction and devastation to be the only outcome. You see, mere destruction isn’t his end goal as those on the right fear. In his left-wing ideology, he thinks after America’s fall he and his left-wing comrades will be building a new and better U.S.A. Where real Americans see destruction and the end of everything, the leftists see a re-birth to a better and, in their eyes, more moral America. He and his left-wing friends see the U.S. as a Phoenix rising from the ashes of the bad old days.

Herein lies the problem. Where conservatives see only the end, liberals see the end and then a brand new beginning. Certainly the liberals are completely wrong in their contention that what they are doing will bring a glorious re-birth, but the truth is that they certainly don’t think that they are ending the U.S. on a permanent basis nor is it their intention. Liberals are not in the game to be “evil.” They think they are doing what is right.

Liberals think that the U.S. is arrogant and needs to be taken down a notch or three. Liberals think that U.S. history is filled with nothing but evil and any attacks on the U.S. are richly deserved. Liberals think that the U.S. was founded by evil, selfish, hateful white men who were only interested in their own power and didn’t want to empower others. So, liberals want the founder’s memory eviscerated. Liberals think that our capitalist system needs to be eliminated. In short, liberals value nothing about the U.S. except its tradition of self-actuation, liberty, and its freedom to re-make itself and they want to use that capacity to erase everything that makes the U.S.A. the U.S.A. Once that is done they want to build a U.S. to their own liking using the very freedoms they used to lay her low.

This is the aim of groups like the American Civil Liberties Union, Moveon.org, the Center for American Progress, the Media Matters for America and other such extremist left-wing organizations. Even CAIR attempts to use America’s freedoms as a weapon against her.

But, again, these liberals think they are doing a good thing. The problem is that they are utterly wrong. If this country treads the left-wing path, the U.S. will not emerge a winner. It will be laid low just like the left wants, but it will not rise again. The left’s prescriptions will lead to our becoming a third world nation. And yet there is no doubt they really imagine they are doing good.

Like Medved, New York Times columnist David Brooks cannot understand this whole political reality. Brooks thinks that Obama and Democrats only tried too many things at once and that is why so many Americans are rising up against them. Apparently it was just an accident of scope, nothing but an act of overreach that frightened the voters. Otherwise, he sees the Democrats and Obama as your average, everyday American pols. He doesn’t see a radical, destroy-America agenda in their efforts. In fact, he ridiculously seems to think that it is the right that somehow wants to destroy the country with a “government war” agenda — a battle against all government. So, he sees both sides as in the wrong and his “centrist” position as the correct path.

What he simply can’t understand is that conservatives are not wholly anti-government. They are all about the right amount of government, government when and where it is most needed and efficacious has always been the American right’s goal.

In fact it is liberals that have used government to destroy America. Liberals have used the courts to destroy religion. Liberals have used the schools to preach against American history. Liberals have used government to weaken economies and create a culture of dependence. Conservatives have not used government to do anything of the kind. In fact, even in the bad old days it was Democrats that tried to use government as a weapon against those that it wanted to keep down.

This is the culture from which Obama and the largest number of his party come. They see government and our freedoms as the perfect weapon with which to destroy what once was in order to make America into what they want it to be and it’s an America that is radically different form what is always has been, what it was meant to be.

Yes, ordinary politicians wouldn’t want to destroy the country they were elected to lead and yes, ordinary pols would want to make sure they win the next election. But leftists like Obama think that they have this one small window to make the radical changes to this nation according to their ideological plan.

Remember how they voted in Obamacare when the great majority disliked the policies? Remember how Democrats said we’d learn to like Obamacare anyway? This means that they don’t care if they lose elections in the short term. It is the obliteration of the old to be replaced by their new “improved” U.S.A. that is their actual goal, not anything as mundane as winning elections. They have a grand plan here, not just an simple election.

So, in everything that really matters, Michael Medved is wrong. Obama does want to destroy the U.S.A. That Obama thinks his left-wing ideas will later bring a rebirth is meaningless when reviewing the consequences of his “cure” for what he thinks ails America, a cure that will surely kill the patient.
 

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Does Obama Want to Destroy America?

Absolutely not. I am certain that Obama has nothing but good intentions. However, the good intentions of a fool nearly always lead to disaster. It's like giving a retard a gun. Everyone knows this.
 

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Absolutely not. I am certain that Obama has nothing but good intentions. However, the good intentions of a fool nearly always lead to disaster. It's like giving a retard a gun. Everyone knows this.

Sure. Hitler had good intentions when he wanted to rid the world of undesirables... and Bush had good intentions when he invaded a country illegally.

It's all on what side you're on. Most of the time, conservatives pick the wrong side. Everyone knows this.
 

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Absolutely not. I am certain that Obama has nothing but good intentions. However, the good intentions of a fool nearly always lead to disaster. It's like giving a retard a gun. Everyone knows this.

I feel the same way. I'm not usually prone to watching bullshit and not knowing it, at least for extended amounts of time. He gives me the vibe that he really thinks what he is doing is right, and I can't really knock him for that. Even when we know it is wrong, he's doing what he thinks is right.

Granted, his intentions are misguided and he's not exceptionally perceptive when it isn't about him, but I don't think he WANTS to rape us with all this stuff hes doing. The part that makes him an idiot is that he thinks that the people are behind him. Other than the fringe left wing nutjobs, hes kinda out there on his own.
 

spidey07

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What part of "fundamentally change this country" was confusing? The article hits it on the nose.
 

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How are Obama's "liberal" policies going to destroy America?

For one, the financials are pretty much the same. We have the same federal reserve guy, the bush tax cuts are still around... for all the talk about the VAT and so on, obama still hasn't introduced or passed any tax hikes in congress.

On the foreign policy front, you really don't think it's not going to be beneficial not to go around invading countries on the whim? Besides for all this talk of obama being "weak" he sure hasn't cut our defense spending or significantly cut down the size of our military presence in the world.

going back to the op's actual story... I find it disturbing that the piece doesn't make any honest effort to try and understand why the libruls espouse those views. The same goes for usual liberal commentary about conservatives. That is, actual intellectual debate of the issues is not present. It's just partisan bickering.
 
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How are Obama's "liberal" policies going to destroy America?

For one, the financials are pretty much the same. We have the same federal reserve guy, the bush tax cuts are still around... for all the talk about the VAT and so on, obama still hasn't introduced or passed any tax hikes in congress.

On the foreign policy front, you really don't think it's not going to be beneficial not to go around invading countries on the whim? Besides for all this talk of obama being "weak" he sure hasn't cut our defense spending or significantly cut down the size of our military presence in the world.

What he said. What exactly has Obama done? Is it just because he has a D next to his name?
 

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Obama clearly wants to destroy America as did all liberals and neocons. He wouldn't be trying to bankrupt us and he wouldn't be a corporatist if he didn't not want to destroy America. Someone as smart as him knows this doesn't work, and Bush knew it too. They hate America.
 
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What part of "fundamentally change this country" was confusing? The article hits it on the nose.
You Republicans had no issue with your hero Bush why is Obama any different?
Obama clearly wants to destroy America as did all liberals and neocons. He wouldn't be trying to bankrupt us and he wouldn't be a corporatist if he didn't not want to destroy America. Someone as smart as him knows this doesn't work, and Bush knew it too. They hate America.
Obama clearly wants to destroy America as did all liberals and neocons. He wouldn't be trying to bankrupt us and he wouldn't be a corporatist if he didn't not want to destroy America. Someone as smart as him knows this doesn't work, and Bush knew it too. They hate America.

This thread is to crackpots like rotting meat is to flies.
 

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Sure. Hitler had good intentions when he wanted to rid the world of undesirables... and Bush had good intentions when he invaded a country illegally.

It's all on what side you're on. Most of the time, conservatives pick the wrong side. Everyone knows this.

Godwin's Law by the second post, haha.

Let's try a rephrase. To their own minds, they had good intentions. If you had asked Hitler in 1939 if he was evil, what answer would you have gotten? If you had asked Bush in 2003 if he was evil, what answer would you have gotten? And from that, good intentions is subjective; the eye of the beholder.
 

MotF Bane

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Obama clearly wants to destroy America as did all liberals and neocons. He wouldn't be trying to bankrupt us and he wouldn't be a corporatist if he didn't not want to destroy America. Someone as smart as him knows this doesn't work, and Bush knew it too. They hate America.

No, Obama doesn't hate America. He has his own vision of it, and he believes his vision is best. Again, eye of the beholder.
 

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Obama clearly wants to destroy America as did all liberals and neocons. He wouldn't be trying to bankrupt us and he wouldn't be a corporatist if he didn't not want to destroy America. Someone as smart as him knows this doesn't work, and Bush knew it too. They hate America.

so say there is some NWO conspiracy in the works... where will the new center of power be?

at the end of the day, even if there are these shady back room conspirators, these people are all only human beings after all. that is they'll still need access to a large, educated, middle class that can work in the corporations. they'll still need to keep the population in control --- and a happy population is much easier to control than one under an iron fist.

i mean just think about it logistically... you destroy america, it's now a 3rd world country. what now? who's going to take over? how will it be taken over? corporate profits, academic research and innovation, the training of the workforce in american schools --- all of which are currently centered in the USA -- will have to be shifted elsewhere in the world or it will take several decades in the USA before we're productive again thanks to the incredibly destructive civil war.

i take it you've read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley? It's another one of those dystopian books like 1984 -- but is actually much more applicable to our current society. Point being, govts dont need to have strong arm control over a resentful population... if the govt can control their population and fool them into happiness, all the more power to them.
 

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Obama wants the US ground down and neutered so it can be slipped into the globalist
infrastructure like just another geopolitical grid on a map. People think Obama is "cool" when he is actually "cold" and hates America. Of course he resented his parents first (all three of them) and grew up with that self conflicted identity tension that moves from a struggle within to a struggle outside himself. Obama's a head case with a n Ivy League veneer slathered on. He would flush Constitution down the toilet if he could. He already appointed transnationalist lawyers who believe Constitution should be abrogated by international law. Obama and his gang rule like a foreign regime.
 

spidey07

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I stopped reading somewhere after...
But yeah, so people actually believe that stuff?

Look at Obama's past and mentors. Then listen to his rhetoric. Then watch his actions. I'd say the majority of the country believes he is destroying the country in an attempt to rebuild it in a socialist/communist image because he isn't hiding it. He's doing it in plain view and the country is rejecting him.
 

IronWing

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The party of apocalyptic Christianity is accusing someone else of wanting to destroy America? <snort>
 

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Does Obama Want to Destroy America?



You Republicans had no issue with your hero Bush why is Obama any different?

I know of many republicans - myself included - that had MAJOR issues with Bush. Patriot Act, for one, his failure to curb spending, for two, and other things too.
 

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Look at Obama's past and mentors. Then listen to his rhetoric. Then watch his actions. I'd say the majority of the country believes he is destroying the country in an attempt to rebuild it in a socialist/communist image because he isn't hiding it. He's doing it in plain view and the country is rejecting him.

So you actually believe he is intentionally trying to destroy the country.

So when did the president gain the power to create laws?
Oh btw hope you don't take any social security, disability, Medicaid, etc when you get older, else you will be a socialist/communist. And you sure wouldn't want that now would you? better not get insurance either as that is also socialist, out of pocket only. Even banks can can be considered socialist so I hope you don't have to use a bank for anything either.
 

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lmao. Parody posters are funny, especially when they don't know they're parody posters.
 

spidey07

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So you actually believe he is intentionally trying to destroy the country.

So when did the president gain the power to create laws?
Oh btw hope you don't take any social security, disability, Medicaid, etc when you get older, else you will be a socialist/communist. And you sure wouldn't want that now would you? better not get insurance either as that is also socialist, out of pocket only. Even banks can can be considered socialist so I hope you don't have to use a bank for anything either.

I carry my own ST/LT disability, have my own retirement all worked out and a large safety net. Let me opt out of OASDI/SS now and i'd do it in a heart beat.
 

irishScott

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So in summary:

Liberals want to reform the US to their views
Conservatives want to reform the US to their views, which happen to be closer to what it currently is.

Wow, my mind is blown. :rolleyes: