Does it bother you that everybody else can use/understand html but you?

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GagHalfrunt

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If I didn't know HTML I'd shoot myself. It's about as hard to learn as tying a shoelace.
 

So

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
i know html.

It takes maybe fifteen minutes to get the basics. No, CSS, no JS, none of the complex stuff, but enough to make a functional page.
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: JohnCU
i know html.

It takes maybe fifteen minutes to get the basics. No, CSS, no JS, none of the complex stuff, but enough to make a functional page.

Does automated pagebuilder type software count? Heck if Im going to code anything. Heres my website:

http://felixdekat.com/default.aspx

Pagebuilders are very handy but on just about every page I end up going to notepad to set or fix something that the either the pagebuilder won't so or does so clumsily that it is easier to do by hand.
 

TecHNooB

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I dont believe any of you fools who claim you taught yourself :p

I'm sure its hardly enough to make a really good website.
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: TecHNooB
I dont believe any of you fools who claim you taught yourself :p

I'm sure its hardly enough to make a really good website.

How else would one learn HTML? Are classes offered? There certainly weren't any in 1993 when I first learned the basics.
 

MovingTarget

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Jun 22, 2003
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No. I do some side work creating websites. I do, however, regret that I am getting further and further behind the curve on the latest web developments...
 

Cogman

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Heck, if you know the basics of making a post on anandtech, you know the basics of writing html. It is really that easy.
 

rh71

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Aug 28, 2001
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learned it with geocities baby! now i do web apps for a living
 

Raduque

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I used to know HTML, but now days, pure HTML doesn't get you anywhere. You practically need to be a programmer to do anything useful on the web, because everything is Java, JS, CSS, PHP and databases.
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: JohnCU
i know html.

It takes maybe fifteen minutes to get the basics. No, CSS, no JS, none of the complex stuff, but enough to make a functional page.

Does automated pagebuilder type software count? Heck if Im going to code anything. Heres my website:

http://felixdekat.com/default.aspx

Pagebuilders are very handy but on just about every page I end up going to notepad to set or fix something that the either the pagebuilder won't so or does so clumsily that it is easier to do by hand.

mmm i find notepad++ or bluefish indispensable for doing my html/css homework. the teacher suggests notepad, screw that crap.
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: rh71
learned it with geocities baby! now i do web apps for a living

Do you still use blinking text? ;)

I think I tried once in the last few years but it failed. :(
 

Woosta

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Q: Is it easy to learn the basics of HTML?
A: Very easy

Q: Is it easy to code semantic, minimalistic markup without use of deprecated elements, presentational attribute values, up to date code?
A: Somewhat, but it's easier when using a reference such as w3.org and validating your markup

Q: Is it easy to learn the basics of CSS?
A: Very easy.

Q: Is it easy to code graphically complex layouts pixel perfect while serving various rendering engines such as Presto, Gecko, Trident, Webkit?
A: It is pretty hard but pretty do-able

Q: Is it hard to code graphically complex layouts which may be fluid/elastic, may contain elements such as rounded corners, multi level dropdown navigation which may easily break because of inconsistent stacking order algorithms, multiple elements which may not be saved as a transparent gif w/ matte but instead a png?
A: Very hard but should be possible ( for the most part )with various workarounds

Q: Is it hard coding Javascript?
A: No, it's not hard if you use a reference such as the one from Mozilla, watch a Douglas Crockford video or two, use the rhino book or even the E262 ECMAScript spec

Q: Is it hard coding DOM manipulating scripts without the use of frameworks such as jQuery?
A: Yes, as the DOM API is very very inconsistent across browsers but ECMAScript support is pretty damn good all across the board

Q: Does it bother me that people think they're using XHTML across the HTTP protocol when the Content-Type served is text/html, and the document at hand contains markup errors, along with the use of table elements for layout?
A: Yes
 

Hacp

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I taught myself html from looking at the source of other websites. Too bad it doesn't work that way anymore.
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: Hacp
I taught myself html from looking at the source of other websites. Too bad it doesn't work that way anymore.

Indeed. I remember the good old days when I was learning HTML and I used to "borrow" code snippets and design elements straight from sites like CDNow, Ebay, and Amazon.
 
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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: JohnCU
i know html.

It takes maybe fifteen minutes to get the basics. No, CSS, no JS, none of the complex stuff, but enough to make a functional page.

Does automated pagebuilder type software count? Heck if Im going to code anything. Heres my website:

http://felixdekat.com/default.aspx

Why on earth are you running an ASP.net website if you're not coding anything?
 
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Originally posted by: Woosta
Q: Does it bother me that people think they're using XHTML across the HTTP protocol when the Content-Type served is text/html, and the document at hand contains markup errors, along with the use of table elements for layout?
A: Yes

Serving a page with a content type of XHTML is possibly the stupidest thing you could do at this point in time. Web software just isn't mature enough, you're almost guaranteeing that your website will be rendered useless by some user-generated content.
 

Woosta

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Woosta
Q: Does it bother me that people think they're using XHTML across the HTTP protocol when the Content-Type served is text/html, and the document at hand contains markup errors, along with the use of table elements for layout?
A: Yes

Serving a page with a content type of XHTML is possibly the stupidest thing you could do at this point in time. Web software just isn't mature enough, you're almost guaranteeing that your website will be rendered useless by some user-generated content.

Exactly, which is why I stick with HTML 4.01 Strict ;)