squirrel dog
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they will become the official test site for the neutron bomb if they ever detonate any sort of nuke.
squirrel dog
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that would be an air burst(50mi) from a boat or truck,much less depending on the size of the device.From what I've seen from sadam,their bomb would either not go off,or explode in transit.I feel for the people that are locked up in the hell that is iraq.sadam is truly a fool.
Jmman, true...true.
Especially this part..."One last comment; if Iraq definitely had a nuclear bomb and was planning on using it, Israel would turn Iraq into a nuclear desert so fast it would make your head spin. The US wouldn't have to do anything. Israel would not wait for Saddam to shoot first either... "
I'd might bet my left nut that Israel has some spies chillin out with Saddam.
Especially this part..."One last comment; if Iraq definitely had a nuclear bomb and was planning on using it, Israel would turn Iraq into a nuclear desert so fast it would make your head spin. The US wouldn't have to do anything. Israel would not wait for Saddam to shoot first either... "
I'd might bet my left nut that Israel has some spies chillin out with Saddam.
Without a proper delivery vehicle, a nuke is far less effective. It needs to be in the air by a few hundred feet to achieve maximum destruction. Otherwise the effictive range is at least halved. Also the availability of weapons grade plutonium for modern thermonuclear devices is very limited. If they have one, that is likely all they have.(I would suspect a small "atomic" grade weapon to be more likely.) They can't even test it without detection, so there would be no guarantee that if delivered, it would work. I would not want to be the country that dropped a dud nuke on Isreal (the only viable Iraqi target within scud range). They have real american made nukes, and the demeanor to use them. If I was you, I'd be more concerned about them contaminating the water supply with cesium, or iodine isotopes.
I do not think that the US would use nukes on Iraq. It would render the land unusable for about the next 10000 years. A more viable option for the US would be to use a fleet of B52s and blanket Iraq with non-nuclear high explosive warheads. Iraq would would become the most realsitic moon scape on earth. Just give the B52s some air support to clear any SAMs and everything would go smoothly.
nightowl,
Interesting approach and you would take out the bad guys (all two dozen of them?) but civilian loss of life might be a concern.
Did you know they're still digging up unexploded munitions from WW2? Leaving too many of those around can't be a good thing especially in the desert where they sink in and hide.
Interesting approach and you would take out the bad guys (all two dozen of them?) but civilian loss of life might be a concern.
Did you know they're still digging up unexploded munitions from WW2? Leaving too many of those around can't be a good thing especially in the desert where they sink in and hide.
XMan
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We probably wouldn't have to use nukes. We've got conventional weapons like the AGM-130 Striker (TV-guided cruise missile with a 2,000 pound bomb on the tip) and bombs called "fuel-air explosives" that are as powerful as small nuclear warheads. A FAE bomb basically pumps explosive vapor into the air, then an electrical spark lights it. Instant firestorm. Check this out.
Iraq will soon say:
SOMEONE SET UP US THE BOMB!
Then we'll tell them:
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!
SOMEONE SET UP US THE BOMB!
Then we'll tell them:
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!
shiner
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<< Iraq will soon say: >>
<< SOMEONE SET UP US THE BOMB! >>
<< Then we'll tell them: >>
<< ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US! >>
Already happened....and here are pictures.
Alright, this was a strange triple post which seemed to get cut off and delayed by 2 minutes ...
Dark Sage - I'm in Brooklyn too...not the furthest part of it from Manhattan, but pretty far (Bay Ridge)...if something did go off in NYC, ...well, luckily I'll be going to college in a yr and a half, so hopefully Saddam will be a little slow at getting his bootleg nukes from the French.
War is differant these days. Nuclear threat puts a high phsychological effect on very little conflict. Way i figure it our air force has all the power we need to settle any non-terrorist conflict on its own without nukes. People keep saying you cant when a war with just bombs. I say the Nazi's damb near did it in the battle of britton and Iraq seems to be a good place to test that theory. Like Einstien said (im paraphrasing)
<< I dont know with what weapons WWIII will be fought but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones. >>
Now i need to go to some news sites and reeducate myself about the world outside the $mu bubble
<< I dont know with what weapons WWIII will be fought but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones. >>
Now i need to go to some news sites and reeducate myself about the world outside the $mu bubble
JellyBaby:
It is not any worse than the suggestions of nuking Iraq. Actually it would be a better option because you would not have the nuclear fallout and those who survived would live on without the nasty effects of the radiation. It also would not render the everything a useless nuclear wasteland for the next 10,000 years. No matter what is done, casualties are a consequence of bombing anything.
It is not any worse than the suggestions of nuking Iraq. Actually it would be a better option because you would not have the nuclear fallout and those who survived would live on without the nasty effects of the radiation. It also would not render the everything a useless nuclear wasteland for the next 10,000 years. No matter what is done, casualties are a consequence of bombing anything.
Hee hee... when I saw Soybomb's picture of the kid with the gun, and realized it was not a real one, I thought of my favorite line from Snatch: "Now, since your guns say 'REPLICA' along the side, and since mine says 'DESERT EAGLE .50' along the side, I suggest you make yourself disappear before I do."
Rough paraphrase, but I think it's close.
Shinerburke and Jmman's suggestions of Israeli military hardware getting up close and personal with Iraqi installations are right on. Eight Israeli F-16s and a few F-15s played peek-a-boo with Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981. Also, now that they have a hardliner coming to power (Ariel Sharon) they're probably more willing to conduct military action against Iraq at the expense of the peace negotiations with the other Arab states. The Israelis also have the Full Boxed Set Deluxe Edition when it comes to nukes. See this site for details.
Finally, the US supplied Iraq with lots of toys during the Iran-Iraq war in the 80's. Guess who was invited to the US for a session on nuclear armaments in 1989? Iraqi military officials. Oh, the tangled web we weave.
Rough paraphrase, but I think it's close.
Shinerburke and Jmman's suggestions of Israeli military hardware getting up close and personal with Iraqi installations are right on. Eight Israeli F-16s and a few F-15s played peek-a-boo with Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981. Also, now that they have a hardliner coming to power (Ariel Sharon) they're probably more willing to conduct military action against Iraq at the expense of the peace negotiations with the other Arab states. The Israelis also have the Full Boxed Set Deluxe Edition when it comes to nukes. See this site for details.
Finally, the US supplied Iraq with lots of toys during the Iran-Iraq war in the 80's. Guess who was invited to the US for a session on nuclear armaments in 1989? Iraqi military officials. Oh, the tangled web we weave.
Dont know how many of you watched tonights CNN, but htey had a 1 hour documentary titled "The Unfinished War" detailing the decade span since the Gulf War.
Near the end they basically surmized why Hussein is still in power, it was through cunning maelevolence, luck and the fear/brutality of hussein and his henchman that he has stayed in control.
The reason Bush Sr never gave the order to push on to Baghdad (much to Scwartzkoph's(sp?) despair) because he felt that with the stunning defeat and retreat of the Iraqi army and the great loss of honour in loosing hte battle that the army would rise up against Saddam and punish him for loosing the war. All the gulf heads of state told him this, the CIA told him this, all other western leaders told him this: If Saddam lost the war, he would bring shame and dishonor to the Iraqi people and they wouldnt tollerate it.
Well guess what folks? It didnt happen. So what do they do? They try and instigate a lil civil war/coup d`tat with the Shi`ite in the south and kurds in the north, however neglecting to sign into the contract that ended the gulf war with Saddam, US Generals granted Iraq the right to fly helicopters (Iraq said they wanted to use them to ferry leaders around hte nation, BS! they knew what was goin on) However, with that rule helicopter gunships and a complete lack of any sort of support for the uprising left it doomed to failure, which was all a lil too unlike the bay of pigs fiasco back in the 60's. Thus the creation of the no fly zones implemented so that the same thing couldnt happen again and give them a chance to try again! (interesting side note, once they saw that the Iraqi's were using helicopters to gun down civilians and rebels and not ferry leaders around the nation, Bush refused to recind the gulf war cease fire declaration that Schwartzkoph wrote up, he didnt want to 'hurt' his feelings and make him look less than a man) Oh well, there will be other opportunities right??? heh...
If ever the CIA has failed, it has been with their fledgingly attempts to oust Saddam Housein. Even Clinton grew tired of Saddam and in 97 (or was it 98?) just after the weapons inspectors were kicked out of Iraq (due to them alleging the UN inspectors were nothing more than spies) lobbed 2 tomhawaks at two residential buildings where "informants" within the UN inspection team learned that Saddam would be at with one of his mistress'. Too bad they missed.
And who says the US doesnt carry out executions ;P heheh. You'd think Sadam would have learned a lesson from his palsy walsy Quadiafi when his house was blown up by a couple F-16's back in 86, it was pure luck he was out of the house when it happened, since then havnt heard much from him now have we?
It also happens that Hussein has the equivlanet of the CIA, NSA and Secret Service all rolled into one that watch his back, but even saddam doesnt trust them so he has 2 more similarily equiped intelligence agencies watching EACH OTHER! Its that sort of a situation that proves to be an effective block against any sort of uprising or coup attempts.
Lets face it, he has survived several coup attempts and unknown number of assasinations (well we 'sorta' knew of one with the dodging of the tomahawks) Unless he smokes a cigar with a stick of TNT in it (hehe castro) i dont think saddam is going anywhere and will be a pain in the ass for the next several years.
So heres to the new advanced 2nd gen 'smart bombs', lets hope they dont miss their mark
BTW, when Israel caught wind of Iraq's early 80's nuke program, they flew in and bombed the crap outta it, i believe this was 85 or 86. Similarily, the US tried its hardest to protect Israel from Iraqi scuds with the patriot missile defence system (lets save that conspiracy theory for later) in hopes that it would protect and destroy any incoming bilogical or nuclear scud enhanced missiles hitting say, Tel Aviv. If it had, and Israel suffered mass civilian casualities, Israel would have taken the whole gulf war into their own hands nad probably bomb to bits Baghdad if not a full scale invasion of Iraq.
Who said Saddam used biological agents during the Gulf War? When? Where? On Who? I dont recall... during hte Iran Iraq war yes, and mustard gas on the kurds in the north when the uprising failed in late 91, but i dont recall any other time.
Near the end they basically surmized why Hussein is still in power, it was through cunning maelevolence, luck and the fear/brutality of hussein and his henchman that he has stayed in control.
The reason Bush Sr never gave the order to push on to Baghdad (much to Scwartzkoph's(sp?) despair) because he felt that with the stunning defeat and retreat of the Iraqi army and the great loss of honour in loosing hte battle that the army would rise up against Saddam and punish him for loosing the war. All the gulf heads of state told him this, the CIA told him this, all other western leaders told him this: If Saddam lost the war, he would bring shame and dishonor to the Iraqi people and they wouldnt tollerate it.
Well guess what folks? It didnt happen. So what do they do? They try and instigate a lil civil war/coup d`tat with the Shi`ite in the south and kurds in the north, however neglecting to sign into the contract that ended the gulf war with Saddam, US Generals granted Iraq the right to fly helicopters (Iraq said they wanted to use them to ferry leaders around hte nation, BS! they knew what was goin on) However, with that rule helicopter gunships and a complete lack of any sort of support for the uprising left it doomed to failure, which was all a lil too unlike the bay of pigs fiasco back in the 60's. Thus the creation of the no fly zones implemented so that the same thing couldnt happen again and give them a chance to try again! (interesting side note, once they saw that the Iraqi's were using helicopters to gun down civilians and rebels and not ferry leaders around the nation, Bush refused to recind the gulf war cease fire declaration that Schwartzkoph wrote up, he didnt want to 'hurt' his feelings and make him look less than a man) Oh well, there will be other opportunities right??? heh...
If ever the CIA has failed, it has been with their fledgingly attempts to oust Saddam Housein. Even Clinton grew tired of Saddam and in 97 (or was it 98?) just after the weapons inspectors were kicked out of Iraq (due to them alleging the UN inspectors were nothing more than spies) lobbed 2 tomhawaks at two residential buildings where "informants" within the UN inspection team learned that Saddam would be at with one of his mistress'. Too bad they missed.
And who says the US doesnt carry out executions ;P heheh. You'd think Sadam would have learned a lesson from his palsy walsy Quadiafi when his house was blown up by a couple F-16's back in 86, it was pure luck he was out of the house when it happened, since then havnt heard much from him now have we?
It also happens that Hussein has the equivlanet of the CIA, NSA and Secret Service all rolled into one that watch his back, but even saddam doesnt trust them so he has 2 more similarily equiped intelligence agencies watching EACH OTHER! Its that sort of a situation that proves to be an effective block against any sort of uprising or coup attempts.
Lets face it, he has survived several coup attempts and unknown number of assasinations (well we 'sorta' knew of one with the dodging of the tomahawks) Unless he smokes a cigar with a stick of TNT in it (hehe castro) i dont think saddam is going anywhere and will be a pain in the ass for the next several years.
So heres to the new advanced 2nd gen 'smart bombs', lets hope they dont miss their mark
BTW, when Israel caught wind of Iraq's early 80's nuke program, they flew in and bombed the crap outta it, i believe this was 85 or 86. Similarily, the US tried its hardest to protect Israel from Iraqi scuds with the patriot missile defence system (lets save that conspiracy theory for later) in hopes that it would protect and destroy any incoming bilogical or nuclear scud enhanced missiles hitting say, Tel Aviv. If it had, and Israel suffered mass civilian casualities, Israel would have taken the whole gulf war into their own hands nad probably bomb to bits Baghdad if not a full scale invasion of Iraq.
Who said Saddam used biological agents during the Gulf War? When? Where? On Who? I dont recall... during hte Iran Iraq war yes, and mustard gas on the kurds in the north when the uprising failed in late 91, but i dont recall any other time.
Thank god I livce in Los Angeles. I know if any other country decided to bomb the US, it would most likely be NYC or Washington DC.
yeah, Mark, they know without constant policing, LA will destroy itself ..... and it's already a hellhole. Why bother?
i dont think they will bomb us becuase our army and all of our allies, inculding those in europe and other continents will bomb iraq so that the worms will be dead
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