Does GameWorks influences AMD's Cards game performance?

[Silverforce11]

I'm not denying the trend, what I'm saying is that we're all too brash to deduce that it truly is hurting AMD owners ...

It is hurting AMD owners. If I had actually wanted to play Project Cars, my R290s won't even get 45 fps on settings than a 960 gets 60 fps at.

How is that not hurting gamers? I'm a gamer, I happen to use AMD this generation but I've used NV in the past.

Now GameWorks is punishing my choice to go with AMD. If I didn't have a decent moral compass, I would pay more for NV GPU so I don't have to put up with their dirty tactics with GW games. But I happen to have a functional moral compass, so I've boycotted every GW title so far. Luckily GTA V was neutral, that's a game no gamer would like to miss out on.

If TW3 runs awful on AMD on release, I'm gonna boycott that too even though I really want to play it (Witcher 1/2 ran great on everything). I refuse to reward NV for such a dirty tactic, but I do acknowledge that it has worked very well for them.

 

[ThatBuzzkiller]

It is hurting AMD owners. If I had actually wanted to play Project Cars, my R290s won't even get 45 fps on settings than a 960 gets 60 fps at.

How is that not hurting gamers? I'm a gamer, I happen to use AMD this generation but I've used NV in the past.

Now GameWorks is punishing my choice to go with AMD. If I didn't have a decent moral compass, I would pay more for NV GPU so I don't have to put up with their dirty tactics with GW games. But I happen to have a functional moral compass, so I've boycotted every GW title so far. Luckily GTA V was neutral, that's a game no gamer would like to miss out on.

If TW3 runs awful on AMD on release, I'm gonna boycott that too even though I really want to play it (Witcher 1/2 ran great on everything). I refuse to reward NV for such a dirty tactic, but I do acknowledge that it has worked very well for them.

Indirectly or directly it maybe but shouldn't the developer that sold out hold the most responsibility considering that they accepted it in the first place ?

After all Nvidia is just the customer in this case and the developer is the supporter of it ...

Gameworks maybe dirty but what's even more dirtier is the developers allowing it to happen ...

 

[Silverforce11]

@ThatBuzzkiller
Don't get me started on Ubisoft.

GW is the carrot for devs who want to be dirty rabbits. I'll leave it at that.

 

[casiofx]

Indirectly or directly it maybe but shouldn't the developer that sold out hold the most responsibility considering that they accepted it in the first place ?

After all Nvidia is just the customer in this case and the developer is the supporter of it ...

Gameworks maybe dirty but what's even more dirtier is the developers allowing it to happen ...

Open your big eyes and read the current poll results carefully. It seems many people disagree with you. What does it mean? It hurts AMD users really bad.
Sorry but this dirty business tactics has been really disgusting, I'll avoid Nvidia products now.

 

[xthetenth]

Gameworks has sold me on a freesync monitor and matching card, I'm just waiting for the ones I want. Haven't owned an ATI card since well before the 6800 GT I bought a long while back. Serves me right.

 

[Azix]

It is hurting AMD owners. If I had actually wanted to play Project Cars, my R290s won't even get 45 fps on settings than a 960 gets 60 fps at.

How is that not hurting gamers? I'm a gamer, I happen to use AMD this generation but I've used NV in the past.

Now GameWorks is punishing my choice to go with AMD. If I didn't have a decent moral compass, I would pay more for NV GPU so I don't have to put up with their dirty tactics with GW games. But I happen to have a functional moral compass, so I've boycotted every GW title so far. Luckily GTA V was neutral, that's a game no gamer would like to miss out on.

If TW3 runs awful on AMD on release, I'm gonna boycott that too even though I really want to play it (Witcher 1/2 ran great on everything). I refuse to reward NV for such a dirty tactic, but I do acknowledge that it has worked very well for them.

This was actually one of the things I thought about when I got the 970. But they managed to screw me over some other way.

 

[futurefields]

It is hurting AMD owners. If I had actually wanted to play Project Cars, my R290s won't even get 45 fps on settings than a 960 gets 60 fps at.

How is that not hurting gamers? I'm a gamer, I happen to use AMD this generation but I've used NV in the past.

Now GameWorks is punishing my choice to go with AMD. If I didn't have a decent moral compass, I would pay more for NV GPU so I don't have to put up with their dirty tactics with GW games. But I happen to have a functional moral compass, so I've boycotted every GW title so far. Luckily GTA V was neutral, that's a game no gamer would like to miss out on.

If TW3 runs awful on AMD on release, I'm gonna boycott that too even though I really want to play it (Witcher 1/2 ran great on everything). I refuse to reward NV for such a dirty tactic, but I do acknowledge that it has worked very well for them.

It's crazy, I just bought an Nvidia GPU but I do agree with you.

It is a messed up situation for sure. But what can AMD do? They already got their hardware in the consoles. You would have thought (and everybody was speculating) that PS4/XB1 games would love AMD GPU's. It really is odd. I thought I was going to be sitting pretty with my 7950 for the entire XB1/PS4 generation (i mostly play console ports) but the performance has been so bad I up and bought a 970.

 

[twjr]

It is hurting AMD owners. If I had actually wanted to play Project Cars, my R290s won't even get 45 fps on settings than a 960 gets 60 fps at.

How is that not hurting gamers? I'm a gamer, I happen to use AMD this generation but I've used NV in the past.

Now GameWorks is punishing my choice to go with AMD. If I didn't have a decent moral compass, I would pay more for NV GPU so I don't have to put up with their dirty tactics with GW games. But I happen to have a functional moral compass, so I've boycotted every GW title so far. Luckily GTA V was neutral, that's a game no gamer would like to miss out on.

If TW3 runs awful on AMD on release, I'm gonna boycott that too even though I really want to play it (Witcher 1/2 ran great on everything). I refuse to reward NV for such a dirty tactic, but I do acknowledge that it has worked very well for them.

I'm not spending a cent on any GW game. I just can't bring myself to condone such business practices. I've been a honest game buyer for the last 5 years (since finishing uni) but if the devs are getting kickbacks from nvidia they won't be needing my money.

 

[iiiankiii]

It's crazy, I just bought an Nvidia GPU but I do agree with you.

It is a messed up situation for sure. But what can AMD do? They already got their hardware in the consoles. You would have thought (and everybody was speculating) that PS4/XB1 games would love AMD GPU's. It really is odd. I thought I was going to be sitting pretty with my 7950 for the entire XB1/PS4 generation (i mostly play console ports) but the performance has been so bad I up and bought a 970.

Your 7950 would be enough for the entire generation if you play at console settings . 720p, 900p or whatever weird resolution they decide to run. Remember that the GPU in the PS4 is roughly equal to a radeon 7870. Add in better console optimization and you're looking at something closer to a 7970.

 

[ThatBuzzkiller]

Open your big eyes and read the current poll results carefully. It seems many people disagree with you. What does it mean? It hurts AMD users really bad.
Sorry but this dirty business tactics has been really disgusting, I'll avoid Nvidia products now.

Most people on these forums don't hold a lot of weight when it comes when it comes to issues like this ...

What does count most is the data, not people's thoughts ...

 

[futurefields]

Your 7950 would be enough for the entire generation if you play at console settings . 720p, 900p or whatever weird resolution they decide to run. Remember that the GPU in the PS4 is roughly equal to a radeon 7870. Add in better console optimization and you're looking at something closer to a 7970.

Even when I drop to the lowest settings possible, some of the maps on Advanced Warfare never work right. Stuttersville.

So, I guess I disagree. The 7950's time has already come, in fact. Due to software issues, such a shame. The hardware is plenty powerful as you say.

 

[casiofx]

Most people on these forums don't hold a lot of weight when it comes when it comes to issues like this ...

What does count most is the data, not people's thoughts ...

When the poll doesn't support your arguments = "don't hold a lot of weight"
Rightttt, nice attempt at shoving the results aside and claim your argument was the truth.

 

[jpiniero]

I'm not spending a cent on any GW game. I just can't bring myself to condone such business practices. I've been a honest game buyer for the last 5 years (since finishing uni) but if the devs are getting kickbacks from nvidia they won't be needing my money.

I'd be surprised if nVidia even needed to resort to kickbacks. It's obvious that developers are spending the minimum needed to get the PC version out; and if GW cuts the time needed to spend to get a decent frame rate on nVidia's cards they'd happily use it without having to resort to bribes.

Even look at how badly Kepler runs on some GW titles. This is probably not a fluke. I wouldn't be surprised if 2016-7 titles run terrible on Maxwell.

 

[96Firebird]

When the poll doesn't support your arguments = "don't hold a lot of weight"
Rightttt, nice attempt at shoving the results aside and claim your argument was the truth.

How do you think a bunch of random people on a forum hold any weight in knowing facts about a program that they know very little about?

Even if everyone thinks GW is intentionally hurting AMD's performance, does that make it true?

 

[Silverforce11]

Even if everyone thinks GW is intentionally hurting AMD's performance, does that make it true?

Doesn't matter what people think, results speak for themselves.

 

[96Firebird]

Doesn't matter what people think, results speak for themselves.

casiofx seems to think the poll results matter...

 

[ThatBuzzkiller]

How do you think a bunch of random people on a forum hold any weight in knowing facts about a program that they know very little about?

Even if everyone thinks GW is intentionally hurting AMD's performance, does that make it true?

This guy gets it ...

Truth =/= Consensus

 

[futurefields]

Doesn't matter what people think, results speak for themselves.

Because AMD is performing worse in some games doesn't mean it is BECAUSE of Gameworks. It could be because the architechture of the card or the shaders isn't ideal anymore.

 

[twjr]

Because AMD is performing worse in some games doesn't mean it is BECAUSE of Gameworks. It could be because the architechture of the card or the shaders isn't ideal anymore.

Unlikely when magical patches can improve performance overnight.

 

[twjr]

I'd be surprised if nVidia even needed to resort to kickbacks. It's obvious that developers are spending the minimum needed to get the PC version out; and if GW cuts the time needed to spend to get a decent frame rate on nVidia's cards they'd happily use it without having to resort to bribes.

Even look at how badly Kepler runs on some GW titles. This is probably not a fluke. I wouldn't be surprised if 2016-7 titles run terrible on Maxwell.

That's essentially the same thing. One side you have reduced costs via premade 'features' or otherwise additional 'revenue'. End result is more or less the same for the devs. So long as nvidia keeps throwing money at this solution I don't see much change.

 

[Techhog]

I'm not saying that ...

I'm only saying we need some ACTUAL data from the Gameworks demo samples to draw that conclusion ...

No, you're grasping at straws, asking for data that we don't have and can't get. If we could get that data, we wouldn't even be in this situation.

 

[monstercameron]

How do you think a bunch of random people on a forum hold any weight in knowing facts about a program that they know very little about?



Even if everyone thinks GW is intentionally hurting AMD's performance, does that make it true?

Just like nvidias marketing, perception=reality whether that be the absolute truth or not.

 

[ThatBuzzkiller]

No, you're grasping at straws, asking for data that we don't have and can't get. If we could get that data, we wouldn't even be in this situation.

I'm the one grasping at straws yet your the one madly attesting a theory as a fact without any sort of solid grounds ?

Whatever you say ...

 

[iiiankiii]

How do you think a bunch of random people on a forum hold any weight in knowing facts about a program that they know very little about?

Even if everyone thinks GW is intentionally hurting AMD's performance, does that make it true?

Well, as it stands, the majority here seems to think so. If it isn't true, Nvidia better get their PR guys to start setting the record straight. Perception is king. True or not. Just like the perception of "poor drivers" from AMD. True or not.

I really think these "tech journalists" should start doing some real investigation. This accusation is pretty serious. The idea of GameWorks sabotage their competition is something we, the readers/customers, should not take lightly. It is bad for gamers. Journalists really need to stand by their readers/customers and get to the bottom of this.

 

[Techhog]

How do you think a bunch of random people on a forum hold any weight in knowing facts about a program that they know very little about?

Even if everyone thinks GW is intentionally hurting AMD's performance, does that make it true?

I just want to note that nearly everyone arguing that GameWorks is fine and a good thing has been proven to be an Nvidia fanboy (including you of course). However, not one of you has bothered to give a reasonable explanation of the pattern we're seeing. This kind of thing only ever happens with GameWorks titles, and we know for sure that AMD isn't allowed to optimize GW code. It only takes common sense to see what's happening here.

Sound logic works much better than name calling and won't earn you a vacation.

-Elfear