Does anyone think Arnold has a chance of winning?

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
I would say he has more than a chance - I think he became the front runner the moment he announced his candidacy.

For my part, I think the recall is almost certainly a terrible idea, in that it sets a bad precedent. Gray Davis was elected in a lawful election, and there is no evidence he has committed a crime (other than the intangible crime of being a crappy governor), so IMO there is really no good-faith basis for a recall. I understand it has popular support, and god knows I am not sticking up for that idiot Gray Davis, but to me, a lawfully-elected person should be permitted to serve out his term if he wishes, absent some circumstance that makes it impossible (as if, for example, he is in jail or seriously ill).

It's all part of the lawful democratic process. The basis for the recall is that he is doing an absolutely horrendous job of running the state. And if the majority of people have changed their mind and don't want him there, how is that anything other than a lawful, democratic process for initiating change?

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Comedy Central is gonna be all over this if he wins... not to mention all the jokes made about this.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: AgaBooga
Comedy Central is gonna be all over this if he wins... not to mention all the jokes made about this.

It'll be a nightly competition between Leno and Letterman for the best Ah-nold jokes.

 

[DT4K]

Well, they need something to take the place of the Jesse Ventura jokes.

 

[Bryophyte]

Does he have a chance of winning? Yeah, very good chance.
SHOULD he win? Hell no.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1


Yes he was elected in a lawful election BUT the California constitution allow most elected officials to be recalled for whatever reason. Davis is not gonna be the first public official to be recalled *anyway*. California's direct democracy has its pros and cons.

True and true, though this is the first successful recall of a California governor.

I am legally a California resident and voter, and have been for about nine years now. I can't say I have ever liked the weird California version of democracy, which seems to have a relatively small representative component, and which entrusts the voters to choose sides on literally dozens and dozens of relatively minor issues each time they step to the ballot. To me this is not really a representative democracy, and makes the electorate subject to being misled on issues of which they are ignorant.

I still think the California provisions for recall are silly, and effectively rob elected officials of any semblence of autonomy once in office. Think, for example, what would have happened to Lincoln if the federal government had had similar recall provisions in the 19th century. I just think on some level we have to be prepared to live with our choices of elected officials, and we California voters made our beds by electing Gray Davis, not once but twice.

 

[Maverick]

I don't live in California, hence I want him to win. There's not much more left to screw up in that state. Let him win...it'll make for some interesting comedy.

 

[PunDogg]

yeah he has a chance, he's leading in the polls right now

Dogg

 

[m2kewl]

i think he'll win, he can't do worse then Gary Davis in this circus recall

i wonder if they can demand recounts...lol

 

[Grminalac]

I'm almost positive that on an old cheesy movie about behind the scenes of Mr. universe Arnold is interviewed saying that hitler wasn't that bad of a guy. Can anyone remember that line or the movie? I am surprised it hasn't surfaced.

Update: its a movie about the 1975 Mr. olympia contest titled Pumping Iron and an unedited version called raw iron. That line is in one of those movies. they have it at Amazon from 37 bucks.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

I'm almost positive that on an old cheesy movie about behind the scenes of Mr. universe Arnold is interviewed saying that hitler wasn't that bad of a guy. Can anyone remember that line or the movie? I am surprised it hasn't surfaced.

Both Adolf and Arnold are Austrians. And Hitler HAD indeed taken some good measures for his home country before all hell broke loose in 1939. It's a question of perspective.

 

[kindest]

i think he has a great chance of winning espically once he comes out with a million commercials.

dont know who im voting for yet.

 

[TechnoKid]

yes, i'll definatley vote for him if he donates a meeeeeeeeeeelion dollars to my college experience fund. j/k. but i do think he has a chance.

 

[Grminalac]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

I'm almost positive that on an old cheesy movie about behind the scenes of Mr. universe Arnold is interviewed saying that hitler wasn't that bad of a guy. Can anyone remember that line or the movie? I am surprised it hasn't surfaced.

Both Adolf and Arnold are Austrians. And Hitler HAD indeed taken some good measures for his home country before all hell broke loose in 1939. It's a question of perspective.

Well i think a nice slice of the 6 mill Jews slaughtered were fellow Austrians as well. I don't think i want anyone who thinks Hitler was a swell guy as my Gov. I guess its a matter of perspective.


EDIT: Well come to think of it i don't really care what he had to say back in 1976, people do change. I'm just surprised it hasn't surfaced as a scandal in the media. Maybe they will wait till he wins and then try to impeach him.

 

[amnesiac]

He does indeedy have a chance. All preliminary polls show that he has at least a 20% lead on any other candidate.

I honestly don't see any of the other candidates truly having a good chance.

 

[CubicZirconia]

The real question is does anyone else have a chance? Remember that Jesse won in Minnesota.

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: gleong

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Since you live in CA, what do you think about it? Who will you be voting for (if you are voting)?

I live in CA and would vote for Arnold.

Same here I might even buy a tshirt!

http://www.totalrecall2003.com/

wah the dumbasses spelled his name wrong on the governator shirt

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: alphatarget1


Yes he was elected in a lawful election BUT the California constitution allow most elected officials to be recalled for whatever reason. Davis is not gonna be the first public official to be recalled *anyway*. California's direct democracy has its pros and cons.

True and true, though this is the first successful recall of a California governor.

I am legally a California resident and voter, and have been for about nine years now. I can't say I have ever liked the weird California version of democracy, which seems to have a relatively small representative component, and which entrusts the voters to choose sides on literally dozens and dozens of relatively minor issues each time they step to the ballot. To me this is not really a representative democracy, and makes the electorate subject to being misled on issues of which they are ignorant.

I still think the California provisions for recall are silly, and effectively rob elected officials of any semblence of autonomy once in office. Think, for example, what would have happened to Lincoln if the federal government had had similar recall provisions in the 19th century. I just think on some level we have to be prepared to live with our choices of elected officials, and we California voters made our beds by electing Gray Davis, not once but twice.

We had *no* choice in the last election, Davis was the "best" canadiate we had. Peter Camejo had no experience either, and people didn't say anything about him. Why pick on Arnold? This time all canadiates have a chance to campaign and inform the public of their views and we actually get to choose. Some state senators and reps get recalled also. My political science professor was talking about some republican voted with the democrats on some issue and the republicans just funded money and recalled him. this isn't new at all.

 

[FoBoT]

yes, he is very likely to win

moderate/middle of the road guy

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1


We had *no* choice in the last election, Davis was the "best" canadiate we had. Peter Camejo had no experience either, and people didn't say anything about him. Why pick on Arnold? This time all canadiates have a chance to campaign and inform the public of their views and we actually get to choose. Some state senators and reps get recalled also. My political science professor was talking about some republican voted with the democrats on some issue and the republicans just funded money and recalled him. this isn't new at all.

So, we chose who we chose. I am not picking on Arnold, I just take issue with the idea of being able to recall someone for what I regard as insufficient reason. Again, not to compare Gray Davis to the great Lincoln, but Abe would surely have been recalled in his era under California's rules. I think this is a really stupid implementation of the concept of democracy, and another example of how California practices a stunningly weak system of representative democracy. I find this recall entertaining, like everyone else. but I still feel the whole thing is stupid and inconsistent with the framers' notions of how government should run.

 

[JSang]

hes the current polls leader, so i would think he has a pretty good chance

 

[stormbv]

I'd say he has a good chance...he sure has the name recognition.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: alphatarget1


We had *no* choice in the last election, Davis was the "best" canadiate we had. Peter Camejo had no experience either, and people didn't say anything about him. Why pick on Arnold? This time all canadiates have a chance to campaign and inform the public of their views and we actually get to choose. Some state senators and reps get recalled also. My political science professor was talking about some republican voted with the democrats on some issue and the republicans just funded money and recalled him. this isn't new at all.

So, we chose who we chose. I am not picking on Arnold, I just take issue with the idea of being able to recall someone for what I regard as insufficient reason. Again, not to compare Gray Davis to the great Lincoln, but Abe would surely have been recalled in his era under California's rules. I think this is a really stupid implementation of the concept of democracy, and another example of how California practices a stunningly weak system of representative democracy. I find this recall entertaining, like everyone else. but I still feel the whole thing is stupid and inconsistent with the framers' notions of how government should run.

Isn't democracy representative government who acts in the best interests of the people? California is $hit. California is a laughing stock. How is Gray Davis serving the people? He's not. It's the people's right to vote someone else in if he's not doing his job. True, not all, well any other offices are like that but quite frankly, if and when Arnold gets elected, it just goes to show that Davis didn't do his job.

 

[psianime]

He stands a good chance of winning right now but Davis has prooved that he can pull stuff out of his a$$ to sway the voters his way.

 

[Freejack2]

Only in California. In New York we only get mafia guys.