Does anyone still think the Iraq War was not a colossal mistake?

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irwincur

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I have always thought that the war in Iraq was more a chess move than anything. 9/11 just accelerated the pace and added some urgency. The goal has always been to neutralize Iran.

Step 1: Afghanistan, stabilize. Original goal was to get in, and clean up. Got messy, everyone would agree with that. Ideally form a base for operations not dependent on Pakistan.

Step 2: Iraq, remove Saddam and push Democracy (or some form of it). Establish ourselves and base troops.

Step 3: Convince Pakistan to turn on the militants. Not a perfect plan by any means, but their military is actually operating in the tribal areas these days. A major step up.

Goal: Surround Iran with American bases, troops, and ideologically allied nations.

Now look at a map. Where is conjunction with Iran do we have active military forces? Iraq, Saudi Arabia and the Emerite States, Afghanistan. Close allies in India. Pakistan is still the wild card. Fact of the matter is, in one decade we have surrounded Iran and boxed them in. Classic maneuver. The goal in Iraq was to depose Saddam and find a permanent home for a lot of US soldiers. We now have them completely surrounded.
 

Red Dawn

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You are what's worst about the antiwar crowd. You assume your opinion equals fact yet can't even provide an intelligent, informed counterpoint that backs up your claims. How about trying to provide some intelligent input instead of waving your hand in dismissal like so many of the self-righteous antiwar elitists do, making them look like little more than pointy-headed idiots in the process?

Wait! I know. You'll respond with something about how I'm not even worth it, sidestepping having to provide any actual insight of your own once again. I'll be waiting for that response because it's so predictable from your ilk.

So far all I've seen from the antwar crowd is knee-jerking. As has already been stated it's readily clear that the succcess in Iraq has all of you grinding your teeth and pounding your fists.

Keep repeating the mantra - "No blood for oil!"
I guess it's easy to be PRO WAR when it's not you doing the fighting.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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I've already addressed this previously in a response to another in here but apparently you didn't bother to actually read what I wrote. So I'll say it to you in a bit more depth and on a few levels.

<clipped TLC's delusional made-up fantasy world>

Wow, so you make up a bunch of BS, with no evidence or proof, that is contrary to what everyone else in our (and other) governments say. Amazing. Did you forget to take some medications perhaps?

Given that you are delusional and unable to post anything approaching rational, you may continue your delusions privately. And I would agree 100% with Bamacre in his quote about you:

You on the other hand have greatly exposed your stupidity.

Everyone but you in this thread can now see it first hand. Bravo.
 

Anarchist420

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The Iraq war was unnecessary and harmful to everyone but the MIC and banking industrial complex.
However, it was going to happen anyway. If we hadn't gone into Iraq, we would've done something else.
 
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I guess it's easy to be PRO WAR when it's not you doing the fighting.
My son was in Iraq doing the fighting. Was yours? It's not as if I didn't have anything personal to lose so I could just support it nilly-willy, so your accusastion falls flat on its face.
 

Schadenfroh

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Apparently, some in the international community want us to do it all over again by invading Libya...
 
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Everyone but you in this thread can now see it first hand. Bravo.
Still absolutely no commentary continaing any sort of content from you. Your entire schtick consists of 'Well, me and the other antiwar groupthinkers in here think you're wrong.' Really? A bunch of people with beliefs on the Iraq war that contradict mine don't agree with me?

Well no shit! Like you'd care if you posted your viewpoint on Iraq over at Free Republic and all the Freepers claimed you were an idiot. That's how I feel in here. You guys just don't realize that you're nothing more than the political equivalent of Freepers, just on the other end of the scale. Political extremists are still extremists though.
 

Steeplerot

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Well no shit! Like you'd care if you posted your viewpoint on Iraq over at Free Republic and all the Freepers claimed you were an idiot. That's how I feel in here.

Actually it says a lot about how extremist your view has become if you have to use a analogy with freepers. Those folks are unamerican scum of the earth. How many times have their members turned out to be terrorists now since Clinton days? How many times a day do they wish harm on fellow Americans and America?

It is you that have lost all perspective obviously. It is yourself who have aligned your point of view of radical elements, if you cannot handle being called on it too bad. You are entitled to your point of view regardless of it being extremist bullshit. The reason you feel like you are being picked on is because you are being irrational at this point and grasping at straws. Freepers...wtf that awful website burns my eyes with mid 90s website design fail anyway. Damn thats low TLC.
 
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Actually it says a lot about how extremist your view has become if you have to use a analogy with freepers. Those folks are unamerican scum of the earth. How many times have their members turned out to be terrorists now since Clinton days? How many times a day do they wish harm on fellow Americans and America?

It is you that have lost all perspective obviously. It is yourself who have aligned your point of view of radical elements, if you cannot handle being called on it too bad. You are entitled to your point of view regardless of it being extremist bullshit. The reason you feel like you are being picked on is because you are being irrational at this point and grasping at straws. Freepers...wtf that awful website burns my eyes with mid 90s website design fail anyway. Damn thats low TLC.
I consider extremists on both sides scum of the earth. The fact that you're a member of one political extreme deriding the other extreme would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic at its core.

My pov isn't extremist at all. It's simply a rational explanation for why we went into Iraq, a reason you refuse to acknowledge because any success along those lines that may be attained from the invasion just galls the crap out of you and other members of the antiwar crew in here. Face it though. After all the empty rhetorical ranting and hyperbole the lefties spewed over the course of the war, and all of their predictions and lame accusations that failed to come to fruition, they have little credibility left anyway.
 

Steeplerot

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My pov isn't extremist at all. It's simply a rational explanation

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airdata

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They lost me when they first changed the name of the operation and pretended that we went into iraq to "free" the iraqi people from Sadaam and not because of the elusive and possibly fictitious and/or non-existent WMD.
 

Nebor

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They lost me when they first changed the name of the operation and pretended that we went into iraq to "free" the iraqi people from Sadaam and not because of the elusive and possibly fictitious and/or non-existent WMD.

Did they win you back with the rainbows and puppy dogs new name: Operation New Dawn? :D
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Still absolutely no commentary continaing any sort of content from you. Your entire schtick consists of 'Well, me and the other antiwar groupthinkers in here think you're wrong.' Really? A bunch of people with beliefs on the Iraq war that contradict mine don't agree with me?

Well no shit! Like you'd care if you posted your viewpoint on Iraq over at Free Republic and all the Freepers claimed you were an idiot. That's how I feel in here. You guys just don't realize that you're nothing more than the political equivalent of Freepers, just on the other end of the scale. Political extremists are still extremists though.

I really don't need to comment, but I did anyway in my first post showing how wrong your really are...your delusions about Iraq being a strike against muslim fundamentalism. Everybody but you realize what you wrote is totally wrong, but I can't help it if you refuse to excepts the facts.

And it isn't a "bunch of guys"...it's like 99% of the world. Do you have anyone credible that agrees with you, other then the little voice in your head?

You made the ridiculous claim, and you can't back it up.
 
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I really don't need to comment, but I did anyway in my first post showing how wrong your really are...your delusions about Iraq being a strike against muslim fundamentalism. Everybody but you realize what you wrote is totally wrong, but I can't help it if you refuse to excepts the facts.

And it isn't a "bunch of guys"...it's like 99% of the world. Do you have anyone credible that agrees with you, other then the little voice in your head?

You made the ridiculous claim, and you can't back it up.
lol. Apparently in your world a small cabal of predominantly left-wing (some VERY left) antiwar posters in a minor subforum on the internet = everybody.

You should get out more.