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TriggerHappy101

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Here is the deal, I recently bought this barebones system off of newegg because it was very cheap.

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16856121001

It was 180 dollars. 20 Dollars instant saving. Then included a 90 dollar mail in rebate. Ontop of that, it included another 40 dollar mail in rebate. And ontop of that it came with a free CPU (2.13 GHz Intel Celeron D 310 OEM.) I had a CPU cooler laying arond. And I also had two sticks of 512mb PC2100 SDRAM. And I had a 160gb HD thrown into it from my main gaming system that I wasnt using. So basickly I made this rig for about 30 bucks! :)

Anyways - on to my question!

I will be using this system for running virus/spyware/adware/malware scans on HDs that I take out of peoples computers. I thought to myself "wouldnt it be cool if i didnt have to open up the case to plug in peoples HDs to run scans?" Ive seen SATA and IDE PCI cards that do this, but I dont want a card - I already have SATA and IDE connections on my mobo and i dont want to be restricted to the slow PCI bus for scans. So does someone make a PCI slot where a cable would come from the mobo to the PCI plate to a female connection and then i can plug my male cable from the HD to the PCI plate female connection? I could probably make my own if they make the male to male and male to female cables.... But does someone make what I want? Or am I just crazy? I dont like opening up my case because of ESD and the fact that its CRAMPED in there and I dont like re-packing the cables all the time.

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I dont think you guys understand what I really want here... So I drew up this ultra super fancy picture!

Please clik here to see the picture I made!

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acole1

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You suck.

Anyways - on to my answer :p

I don't know. I am thinking you can for SATA but I don't think so for IDE. Nice idea though!
 
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TechXP

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I do this all the time nothing needed besides a long IDE and SATA cables. Just take a cover off an empty PCI slot and run the cables out the back along with molex/sata power connectors.
 
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TriggerHappy101

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I dont want the cables hanging off out the case from the back. I want to be able to physicaly remove them. I want it to basickly be like a port on the back of the case where i plug the drive in.
 
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nineball9

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Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
I dont want the cables hanging off out the case from the back. I want to be able to physicaly remove them. I want it to basickly be like a port on the back of the case where i plug the drive in.
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I think I understand what you want to do, but you may be omitting some details. First, you are going to need power connectors - molex for IDE drives and the 4-pin connectors used by SATA drives. Second, it would be a good idea to physically support the external drive under test; I doubt you want it hanging from the back of your test PC by the data and power cables. A "port on the back of the case" would not provide any mechanical support for the device under test (hard drive). Third, if you want to test IDE and SATA drives, you will need two differing sets of data cables. For SCSI drives, you'll need even more data cables.

Good luck!

 
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Mr Fox

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Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
Here is the deal, I recently bought this barebones system off of newegg because it was very cheap.

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16856121001

It was 180 dollars. 20 Dollars instant saving. Then included a 90 dollar mail in rebate. Ontop of that, it included another 40 dollar mail in rebate. And ontop of that it came with a free CPU (2.13 GHz Intel Celeron D 310 OEM.) I had a CPU cooler laying arond. And I also had two sticks of 512mb PC2100 SDRAM. And I had a 160gb HD thrown into it from my main gaming system that I wasnt using. So basickly I made this rig for about 30 bucks! :)

Anyways - on to my question!

I will be using this system for running virus/spyware/adware/malware scans on HDs that I take out of peoples computers. I thought to myself "wouldnt it be cool if i didnt have to open up the case to plug in peoples HDs to run scans?" Ive seen SATA and IDE PCI cards that do this, but I dont want a card - I already have SATA and IDE connections on my mobo and i dont want to be restricted to the slow PCI bus for scans. So does someone make a PCI slot where a cable would come from the mobo to the PCI plate to a female connection and then i can plug my male cable from the HD to the PCI plate female connection? I could probably make my own if they make the male to male and male to female cables.... But does someone make what I want? Or am I just crazy? I dont like opening up my case because of ESD and the fact that its CRAMPED in there and I dont like re-packing the cables all the time.


:)
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Buy USB Enclosures... one With a SATA Interface, and One IDE...


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TriggerHappy101

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Originally posted by: nineball9
Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
I dont want the cables hanging off out the case from the back. I want to be able to physicaly remove them. I want it to basickly be like a port on the back of the case where i plug the drive in.
Click to expand...

I think I understand what you want to do, but you may be omitting some details. First, you are going to need power connectors - molex for IDE drives and the 4-pin connectors used by SATA drives. Second, it would be a good idea to physically support the external drive under test; I doubt you want it hanging from the back of your test PC by the data and power cables. A "port on the back of the case" would not provide any mechanical support for the device under test (hard drive). Third, if you want to test IDE and SATA drives, you will need two differing sets of data cables. For SCSI drives, you'll need even more data cables.

Good luck!
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I dont think you guys understand what I really want here... So I drew up this ultra super fancy picture!

Please click here to see the picture I made.

I want to be able to plug and unplug the external cables. The outside cables will be long enough so the HD will lay flat on the ground on an anti-static mate.

Buy USB Enclosures... one With a SATA Interface, and One IDE...


Simple
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Nope. I thought of that. I don't want to be restricted by USB speeds. And more importantly - USB enclosures are not compatible with many of the dos bootable tools I use. Ghost and spinrite for example.

Please see my picture. :)
 
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Mr Fox

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Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
Originally posted by: nineball9
Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
I dont want the cables hanging off out the case from the back. I want to be able to physicaly remove them. I want it to basickly be like a port on the back of the case where i plug the drive in.
Click to expand...

I think I understand what you want to do, but you may be omitting some details. First, you are going to need power connectors - molex for IDE drives and the 4-pin connectors used by SATA drives. Second, it would be a good idea to physically support the external drive under test; I doubt you want it hanging from the back of your test PC by the data and power cables. A "port on the back of the case" would not provide any mechanical support for the device under test (hard drive). Third, if you want to test IDE and SATA drives, you will need two differing sets of data cables. For SCSI drives, you'll need even more data cables.

Good luck!
Click to expand...


I dont think you guys understand what I really want here... So I drew up this ultra super fancy picture!

Please click here to see the picture I made.

I want to be able to plug and unplug the external cables. The outside cables will be long enough so the HD will lay flat on the ground on an anti-static mate.

Buy USB Enclosures... one With a SATA Interface, and One IDE...


Simple
Click to expand...

Nope. I thought of that. I don't want to be restricted by USB speeds. And more importantly - USB enclosures are not compatible with many of the dos bootable tools I use. Ghost and spinrite for example.

Please see my picture. :)
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You really need to face the reality here.....

1,) There is nothing that is being done by those two programs that Cannot Be Done in a Windows Environment.

2,) Even If You Solve the Externalization Issue with an add-on card.... You Need To Solve The Power-Up Issue.

3,) USB 2 Transfers as fast as the drive that is connected upto 45.0 MBps....



look at the Software Solutions and just change what you use...








 
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Aluvus

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Originally posted by: Mr Fox
You really need to face the reality here.....

1,) There is nothing that is being done by those two programs that Cannot Be Done in a Windows Environment.

2,) Even If You Solve the Externalization Issue with an add-on card.... You Need To Solve The Power-Up Issue.

3,) USB 2 Transfers as fast as the drive that is connected upto 450 MBps....



look at the Software Solutions and just change what you use...
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1. Then suggest Windows apps that can do what the OP wants.

2. External power supplies with Molex connectors do exist.

3. Drives connected over USB 2.0 are substantially slower than those connected directly over IDE or SATA.

@OP: You might want to look into an eSATA solution. Such an enclosure would let you drop in SATA drives with little or no speed penalty. For IDE, you're severely limited by the cable length permitted by the standard. You might see if a front-bay hot-swap device could make life a little easier for you. You'd still have to put drives into the hot-swappable rack, but it's more convenient and prettier than mounting it normally (or leaving it on the floor of the case).
 
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TriggerHappy101

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Originally posted by: Mr Fox
Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
Originally posted by: nineball9
Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
I dont want the cables hanging off out the case from the back. I want to be able to physicaly remove them. I want it to basickly be like a port on the back of the case where i plug the drive in.
Click to expand...

I think I understand what you want to do, but you may be omitting some details. First, you are going to need power connectors - molex for IDE drives and the 4-pin connectors used by SATA drives. Second, it would be a good idea to physically support the external drive under test; I doubt you want it hanging from the back of your test PC by the data and power cables. A "port on the back of the case" would not provide any mechanical support for the device under test (hard drive). Third, if you want to test IDE and SATA drives, you will need two differing sets of data cables. For SCSI drives, you'll need even more data cables.

Good luck!
Click to expand...


I dont think you guys understand what I really want here... So I drew up this ultra super fancy picture!

Please click here to see the picture I made.

I want to be able to plug and unplug the external cables. The outside cables will be long enough so the HD will lay flat on the ground on an anti-static mate.

Buy USB Enclosures... one With a SATA Interface, and One IDE...


Simple
Click to expand...

Nope. I thought of that. I don't want to be restricted by USB speeds. And more importantly - USB enclosures are not compatible with many of the dos bootable tools I use. Ghost and spinrite for example.

Please see my picture. :)
Click to expand...




You really need to face the reality here.....

1,) There is nothing that is being done by those two programs that Cannot Be Done in a Windows Environment.

2,) Even If You Solve the Externalization Issue with an add-on card.... You Need To Solve The Power-Up Issue.

3,) USB 2 Transfers as fast as the drive that is connected upto 450 MBps....



look at the Software Solutions and just change what you use...
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1) Copy and paste. And scandisk is not the same as Ghost and Spinrite.

2) If you looked at my picture - you would notice that the molex connector on the PCI slot. And what "Externalization issue" are you talking about?

3) No.

@OP: You might want to look into an eSATA solution. Such an enclosure would let you drop in SATA drives with little or no speed penalty. For IDE, you're severely limited by the cable length permitted by the standard. You might see if a front-bay hot-swap device could make life a little easier for you. You'd still have to put drives into the hot-swappable rack, but it's more convenient and prettier than mounting it normally (or leaving it on the floor of the case).
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Remember - the HDs that im plugging into my PC arent mine. I dont feel like installing the HD in a hot swapable box like you are talking about. (I know what your talking about - good idea but wouldnt be practical.) I cant anyways - I only have one 5" bay on the PC and its for the CDrom drive.

And I want to stay away from enclosures all together because of drivers issues and speed limitations. Thanks for the idea though.

And for length conserns.... The max distance you can have an IDE cable is 18 inches. Which is plently long being my case is tiny.
 
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Seekermeister

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And for length conserns.... The max distance you can have an IDE cable is 18 inches. Which is plently long being my case is tiny.
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Are you adding the length of both the internal and external cables together? 18 inches is pretty short.
 
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TriggerHappy101

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Originally posted by: Seekermeister
And for length conserns.... The max distance you can have an IDE cable is 18 inches. Which is plently long being my case is tiny.
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Are you adding the length of both the internal and external cables together? 18 inches is pretty short.
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Yup. From the IDE conector to the PCI plate is 8 inches. That leaves 10 inches of outside slack, of several more inches of inside cable to re-route around tthings.
 
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Mr Fox

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Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
Originally posted by: Mr Fox
Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
Originally posted by: nineball9
Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
I dont want the cables hanging off out the case from the back. I want to be able to physicaly remove them. I want it to basickly be like a port on the back of the case where i plug the drive in.
Click to expand...

I think I understand what you want to do, but you may be omitting some details. First, you are going to need power connectors - molex for IDE drives and the 4-pin connectors used by SATA drives. Second, it would be a good idea to physically support the external drive under test; I doubt you want it hanging from the back of your test PC by the data and power cables. A "port on the back of the case" would not provide any mechanical support for the device under test (hard drive). Third, if you want to test IDE and SATA drives, you will need two differing sets of data cables. For SCSI drives, you'll need even more data cables.

Good luck!
Click to expand...


I dont think you guys understand what I really want here... So I drew up this ultra super fancy picture!

Please click here to see the picture I made.

I want to be able to plug and unplug the external cables. The outside cables will be long enough so the HD will lay flat on the ground on an anti-static mate.

Buy USB Enclosures... one With a SATA Interface, and One IDE...


Simple
Click to expand...

Nope. I thought of that. I don't want to be restricted by USB speeds. And more importantly - USB enclosures are not compatible with many of the dos bootable tools I use. Ghost and spinrite for example.

Please see my picture. :)
Click to expand...




You really need to face the reality here.....

1,) There is nothing that is being done by those two programs that Cannot Be Done in a Windows Environment.

2,) Even If You Solve the Externalization Issue with an add-on card.... You Need To Solve The Power-Up Issue.

3,) USB 2 Transfers as fast as the drive that is connected upto 450 MBps....



look at the Software Solutions and just change what you use...
Click to expand...

1) Copy and paste. And scandisk is not the same as Ghost and Spinrite.

2) If you looked at my picture - you would notice that the molex connector on the PCI slot. And what "Externalization issue" are you talking about?

3) No.

@OP: You might want to look into an eSATA solution. Such an enclosure would let you drop in SATA drives with little or no speed penalty. For IDE, you're severely limited by the cable length permitted by the standard. You might see if a front-bay hot-swap device could make life a little easier for you. You'd still have to put drives into the hot-swappable rack, but it's more convenient and prettier than mounting it normally (or leaving it on the floor of the case).
Click to expand...

Remember - the HDs that im plugging into my PC arent mine. I dont feel like installing the HD in a hot swapable box like you are talking about. (I know what your talking about - good idea but wouldnt be practical.) I cant anyways - I only have one 5" bay on the PC and its for the CDrom drive.

And I want to stay away from enclosures all together because of drivers issues and speed limitations. Thanks for the idea though.

And for length conserns.... The max distance you can have an IDE cable is 18 inches. Which is plently long being my case is tiny.
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Look at this : http://www.xoxide.com/hspc-tech-station-standard-black.html

36" IDE Cables : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812104122

Better Recovery Software : http://www.ontrack.com/easyrecoveryprofessional/

Adapter Card : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815124023



Good Luck !!










 
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Mr Fox

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Originally posted by: TriggerHappy101
Mr Fox did you even read my posts?
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I read them...

You are trying to use basically a SFF to do something that it cannot accomplish for numerous reasons some of which relate to the un realistic expectations that you have for this equiptment...


I have now offered you a Solution to all your Issues....


That MOBO does NOT have SATA............ this solution allows that as well as Versatile Configuration.

You Gut the SFF into the Tech Station.... It solves all your issues....


The Solution that you drew up is not available..... at that point you need to move on and find another solution ...... Being inflexible about that does not solve the issues...























 
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+1 vote for SATA.

With SATA you should be able to use a smaller cable with an SATA->IDE adapter at the end plus once everyone is SATA and (and if your controller supports it) you should be able to take advantage of hotswap so you don't have to worry as much about frying a drive.

There is a reason that there are no back ports for IDE like there are for COM ports. But if you really want to do it why don't you make one?

1) Find small IDE extender cable (maybe buy a cheapo IDE drive tray but remember 80 wires is preferred to 40 in the cable).
2) Take one of your spare empty back port inserts and dremel/snip/chew a matching hole.
3) Cut out another hole for the molex plug (and get/make a spare longer molex cable for outside the case).
4) Make it fancy by gluing it together with epoxy.

This sounds hard but it actually isn't all that bad especially if you have a dremel. I had to make some full height supports for some AGP video cards (they came with 1/2 height) and it didn't take long with a pair of snips. Plus most of your work will be hidden at the rear of the PC and the bracket itself is on the inside of the case so...

I think DIY is your ONLY option if you are doing to insist on doing this. I would highly suggest that you do a number of tests to verify that your work and adapters are not causing any corruption. I think you'll get away with it but YMMV.
 
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Mr Fox

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Originally posted by: Zepper
I can't believe your post has all these replies w/o the answer you want. Well, I guess an 3L33T member has to come to the rescue:

The stuff toward the bottom of this page: http://www.svc.com/conad.html OR

or front-panel, drive bay fillers like this page: http://www.svc.com/fancont35.html OR

some more on PCI slot brackets here: http://jab-tech.com/PCI-power-back-plates-c-174.html

Ptthhht! Eat my skidmarks! ;)




.bh.
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That is cool as hell.... I looked all over the place.... !!

Leave it to SVC !! I stand Corrected...

 
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TriggerHappy101

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Zepper

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Trigger - you have PM - save mucho on shipping! IDE is whatever cable you hook to it - 80-wire is 100 at least, 40-wire cable is up to 33. You should keep the cable to 18" or less from the controller to the drive. If you use longer, you may cut the speed down to 66. Drives are all backward compatible to at least PIO4 (33MHz). 133 is a Maxtor marketing sham - few ATA drives can hit 66 on a regular basis much less 133. That's 15k SCSI territory there...

.bh.
 
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Seekermeister

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Quote = Zepper
133 is a Maxtor marketing sham - few ATA drives can hit 66 on a regular basis much less 133
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If that is true, then how come my Ultra 16 Maxtor hit 120+ and my WDC Caviar hit 93+ on HD Tach? The Ultra 16 did better than my Maxtor SATAs which hit 114.8.
 
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