Does anyone know the cost of the Conroe?

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Did somebody hack JEDIYoda's account?

basically added a 1000 to each listed price above....I dont see that happening.. I know they have some smithfield over supply to move, but that ain't the way INtel!!!!

 

[TanisHalfElven]

yeah it seems he edited it. anyway i think conroe-L (single core) should come out now instead of later next years. who's gonna buy a single core next year ?

also is conroe compatible with current intell mobo's. (i mean withotu hard mods)

 

[pcoffman]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
is conroe compatible with current intell mobo's

I've heard that it's compatible with certain 975X chipset motherboards, like Intel's BadAxe.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
yeah it seems he edited it. anyway i think conroe-L (single core) should come out now instead of later next years. who's gonna buy a single core next year ?

also is conroe compatible with current intell mobo's. (i mean withotu hard mods)

Who knows maybe they are anticipating large volumes of conroes (core 2 duo) with 1 failed core and that is what these are....

 

[TanisHalfElven]

i thought conroe was made like the P-Ds. 2 cores stuck togather. not like X2's where 2 cores a buillt on the same wafer (is the info correct)

 

[SexyK]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
i thought conroe was made like the P-Ds. 2 cores stuck togather. not like X2's where 2 cores a buillt on the same wafer (is the info correct)

Smithfield and Conroe are both one piece of silicon. Pressler is the only P-D that is actually two separate pieces of silicon in one package.

 

[pcoffman]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
i thought conroe was made like the P-Ds. 2 cores stuck togather. not like X2's where 2 cores a buillt on the same wafer (is the info correct)

Desktop Core 2 Duo--aka Conroe--is more akin to the Centrino notebook chips. The dual-core is less improvised and more of an engineering feat than the Pentium D, both 800 and 900 series.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

But why make both cores on the same silicon. dose'nt that have yield issues. i mean is it really a performance advantage.

 

[pcoffman]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
dose'nt that [putting two cores on one piece of silicon] have yield issues. i mean is it really a performance advantage.

I can't answer the first question, but using one piece of silicon can have significant performance advantages, as the A64 X2 & Core Duo have shown us. One thing is that the I don't think that the L2 cache is shared between the two cores in the Pentium Ds. In Core 2 Duo the cache is shared. This minimizes trips across the front side bus, which is a bottleneck.

 

[coldpower27]

The only confirmed revisions of Core Architecture processor now are as follows with the most up to date pricing.

Core 2 Extreme X6800 Conroe 2.93GHZ/1066FSB/4MB 999US

Core 2 Duo E6700 Conroe 2.66GHZ/1066FSB/4MB 530US
Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.40GHZ/1066FSB/4MB 316US

Core 2 Duo E6400 Allendale 2.13GHZ/1066FSB/2MB 224US
Core 2 Duo E6300 Allendale 1.86GHZ/1066FSB/2MB 183US

Core 2 Duo E4200 Allendale 1.60GHZ/800FSB/2MB 1xxUS

Using past Intel pricing figures 163US or 143US is plausible for E4200.

Now the Pentium D's pricing at that particular time, massive price cuts so fairly tempting.

Pentium D 960 Presler 3.6GHZ/800FSB/2x2MB 316US Intel Own's Competitor = E6600
Pentium D 950 Presler 3.4GHZ/800FSB/2x2MB 224US Intel Own's Competitor = E6400
Pentium D 940 Presler 3.2GHZ/800FSB/2x2MB 183US Intel Own's Competitor = E6300

Pentium D 945 Presler 3.4GHZ/800FSB/2x2MB 163US Intel Own's Competitor = E4200?

E6200, E6500 have the possibility of not existing period. Given there seem to be no pricing room for them, we'll see.

I don't expect E6800 and E6900 that soon in particular though. Or any of the 1333FSB Conroe's. Possibly we'll see them with the Bearlake and Weybridge Chipsets in H2 2007.

 

[imported_Questar]

As an interesting example, if Intel or AMD built a CPU that came with it's own phase change cooling built in overclocked it like mad (say a 3.6 GHz FX chip), it would obviously suck up a LOT more power but it's TDP would actually decrease...

Wrong.

TDP would stay the same. You would still have to move the heat off the phase change device.

 

[TekDemon]

Originally posted by: Questar

As an interesting example, if Intel or AMD built a CPU that came with it's own phase change cooling built in overclocked it like mad (say a 3.6 GHz FX chip), it would obviously suck up a LOT more power but it's TDP would actually decrease...

Wrong.

TDP would stay the same. You would still have to move the heat off the phase change device.

Actually since the phase change cooler isn't 100% efficient (because nothing really is) you'd be putting out more heat and power power lol.

 

[Jeff7181]

A bajillion dollars... don't bother saving your pennies, buy an X2 now.

 

[imported_Questar]

Originally posted by: TekDemon

Originally posted by: Questar

As an interesting example, if Intel or AMD built a CPU that came with it's own phase change cooling built in overclocked it like mad (say a 3.6 GHz FX chip), it would obviously suck up a LOT more power but it's TDP would actually decrease...

Wrong.

TDP would stay the same. You would still have to move the heat off the phase change device.

Actually since the phase change cooler isn't 100% efficient (because nothing really is) you'd be putting out more heat and power power lol.

You're correct. If I remember correctly from the Peltier days, they are exactly 50% efficient, they consume a watt of power for each watt of heat they move.

So if you're trying to use one to cool a 80w X2 cpu, the cooler itself would consume 80w, and you would have to remove 160 watts of heat from the hot side.

 

[OSX]

Is the Allendale core as good as the Conroe? I'd like to just get an E6400 and leave it at that, but I'm willing to get the 6600.

 

[DrMrLordX]

So far as I can tell, Allendale is just a Conroe with 1/2 the l2 cache.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

how depenpendent on cache will be these conroes (and yes i know no one has them but still someone must have SOME idea) ?

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

not much?