Two guys go into a bar and they both see a hot chick. They approach the hot chick and make some small talk. Chuck really digs guy number one. Guy number one starts to leave with said hot chick. Guy number 2 screams "WAIT" and hot chick says "what?" He replies "But I payed for my copy of windows xp, I am the better man. Why dont you come with me" Girl says "STFU LUZER!" and leaves with guy 1. Guy 2 goes home and faps it on his "non warez" pron while guy 1 gets some sweet sweet poo nanner.
-Xionide
I honestly pirate anything and everything. I see no point in buying things if I can get them for free.
I think the lax attitude with pirating has something to do with the entitlement mentality (this is a verified aspect of the current young generation, we talked about it in my org behavior class for instance) this new generation has developed. It's as if they don't believe in intellectual property rights at all. Many only believe in barriers that they can see and cannot break. Because you can pirate software and download mp3's with little chance of getting caught, then it's not wrong to do it.
I actually trashed most of the mp3's I had downloaded, now the only remaining ones are for music I already own (mostly cassette tapes where I don't want to hassle with recording from tape to computer, then burning to cd). I trashed all pirated software (wasn't much) and have paid for everything I own. After going through some compsci classes, I have a renewed appreciation for all the hard work that goes into making software that I would not want to steal from those that produced it.
I see piracy as outright stealing, and just because software is not tangible does not mean it is free. Many people work very hard to produce software and the technology that makes mp3's possible. The cost of piracy does hit the bottom line, so everyone is having to pay for the freeriders. It's pretty disgusting, but I believe it will only get worse.
I actually trashed most of the mp3's I had downloaded, now the only remaining ones are for music I already own (mostly cassette tapes where I don't want to hassle with recording from tape to computer, then burning to cd). I trashed all pirated software (wasn't much) and have paid for everything I own. After going through some compsci classes, I have a renewed appreciation for all the hard work that goes into making software that I would not want to steal from those that produced it.
I see piracy as outright stealing, and just because software is not tangible does not mean it is free. Many people work very hard to produce software and the technology that makes mp3's possible. The cost of piracy does hit the bottom line, so everyone is having to pay for the freeriders. It's pretty disgusting, but I believe it will only get worse.
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It's not just this generation.
When the C64 became really popular, piracy was totally rampant. People used to swap floppies all the time at Commodore User Group meetings.
I guess people justify it because they think they aren't depriving anyone else of that item simply by copying it
When the C64 became really popular, piracy was totally rampant. People used to swap floppies all the time at Commodore User Group meetings.
I guess people justify it because they think they aren't depriving anyone else of that item simply by copying it
Yeah I guess that has always been the attitude toward software, but I think it has hit the mainstream more now because computer technology is now "common". Sucks for the developers...
I think developers who use other developers code should be held responsible.
Code chucking is a very commonplace practice. Why does no one bring that up?
Code chucking is a very commonplace practice. Why does no one bring that up?
Let me see...you're "trying" to get legit and yet later you say you have the money to afford to buy the software. What's the hold up? Why are you still "trying" when you clearly say you have the money to be legit? Surely the software you use is available to purchase but you haven't done that yet. Sounds more than a little bit hypocritical to me.
I'm actually surprised some others have the same feelings about this that I do. 
When it comes down to it, the US far pales in comparison to some Asianic countries. Where you can buy a bootleg copy before the music comes out. It is costing software companies billions of dollars in piracy over the years. I also blame those people wholeheartedly for the xp activation program. Since if there was no problem with piracy then there would be no need for it. There are plenty of ways to "minimize" what is basically stealing. If they can't afford it than they have no business buying a pc. (or they haven't hounded thier parents long enough to deserve the money to buy it. )
I also don't really think that the RIAA is really off base on thier premise. The way they have gone about it could be changed mind you, but the basic idea is there. The federal copywright laws are printed on each and every cd ever made. The wording is pretty clear also. I think though that maybe if the Feds started warming up and taking the job away from the RIAA then the real point would be made. It would get the idea much quicker accross to those people. Having men in black suits coming into the home and arresting you for the federal offense. Fining people 500k? as the law allows would also, or prosecuting said major offenders would also get it across. Jail time for breaking the law, what a concept. It is on the back of the CD, and by buying them you basically sign the EULA. So if the law troubles the majority then get it changed, until then......
When it comes down to it, the US far pales in comparison to some Asianic countries. Where you can buy a bootleg copy before the music comes out. It is costing software companies billions of dollars in piracy over the years. I also blame those people wholeheartedly for the xp activation program. Since if there was no problem with piracy then there would be no need for it. There are plenty of ways to "minimize" what is basically stealing. If they can't afford it than they have no business buying a pc. (or they haven't hounded thier parents long enough to deserve the money to buy it. ) I also don't really think that the RIAA is really off base on thier premise. The way they have gone about it could be changed mind you, but the basic idea is there. The federal copywright laws are printed on each and every cd ever made. The wording is pretty clear also. I think though that maybe if the Feds started warming up and taking the job away from the RIAA then the real point would be made. It would get the idea much quicker accross to those people. Having men in black suits coming into the home and arresting you for the federal offense. Fining people 500k? as the law allows would also, or prosecuting said major offenders would also get it across. Jail time for breaking the law, what a concept. It is on the back of the CD, and by buying them you basically sign the EULA. So if the law troubles the majority then get it changed, until then......
Trying, as in I can't afford to buy it all at once. I just ordered Office 2003 this morning for my main rig and next will be Windows XP (at least when I finally upgrade). My main system has Win2k and Office 2000 which are legit and they are being replaced with Office 2003 and when I upgrade the OS will be replaced by WinXP. My other 2 systems need to have legit copies of XP and the one will be taken care of within the next month. I'm getting there I just can't do it all at once. Once I get my refund I'm going to put that money towards some software.
Now, if it makes you feel better to call me a hypocrite then by all means have at it.
I don't believe in "lost profits". How can the amount of money they THINK they should be making be quantified?
Many people who used pirated programs wouldn't use it unless they could pirate it. Lost profits is just a lobbying technique.
Many people who used pirated programs wouldn't use it unless they could pirate it. Lost profits is just a lobbying technique.
Interesting question for all you. The idea is that if you can afford something, you buy it, if you can't, that doesn't mean you can steal it. That's basic ethics.
But remember something, businesses do not follow ethics at all for the most part. Their entire job is to MAKE MONEY. They have experts who figure out exactly how much they can screw you before it affects their bottom line, and that's what they do.
Aren't we kind of stupid to live and die in an ethical game that only we are playing? Not advocating piracy at all (and I don't pirate software, movies or music), but it's really something worth thinking about. I think it's pathetic that our courts are so interested in the poor little RIAA and MPAA when violent crimes aren't exactly on the downswing.
But remember something, businesses do not follow ethics at all for the most part. Their entire job is to MAKE MONEY. They have experts who figure out exactly how much they can screw you before it affects their bottom line, and that's what they do.
Aren't we kind of stupid to live and die in an ethical game that only we are playing? Not advocating piracy at all (and I don't pirate software, movies or music), but it's really something worth thinking about. I think it's pathetic that our courts are so interested in the poor little RIAA and MPAA when violent crimes aren't exactly on the downswing.
I wonder if some of the piracy could be reduced by offering an alternative way of selling products.
People may pirate applications like photoshop, premiere, office, etc. because it's what they use at work, or what they use at school. Yet many people try to explain themselves by saying that they use the program so infrequently that it isn't 'really' stealing.
What if someone wants to record a conference, and distribute a few CDs - a decent editing program can work wonders with cleaning up background noise - editing out breaks, etc? Yet something like Adobe Audition will set you back $300. For a one off project for a few friends, few could justify that. Yet, cheaper or free software often doesn't have the ease of use or power of the more expensive programs.
I wonder if publishers would consider a pay-as-you-go type of licence. You could use a crippled trialware version to get accustomed to the product, and if you want to use it infrequently you could buy some functionality. E.g. I could try out audition, or similar, and keep the expired trial on the PC. If at some later date, I wanted to use it for a project, I could buy some time online - e.g. I could pay $5 and get 10 hours of run time - plenty for a small project. If I was using it everyday, then I could buy an unlimited licence.
The technology and infrastructure is there to allow such a payment scheme. I know I would certainly make use of it.
People may pirate applications like photoshop, premiere, office, etc. because it's what they use at work, or what they use at school. Yet many people try to explain themselves by saying that they use the program so infrequently that it isn't 'really' stealing.
What if someone wants to record a conference, and distribute a few CDs - a decent editing program can work wonders with cleaning up background noise - editing out breaks, etc? Yet something like Adobe Audition will set you back $300. For a one off project for a few friends, few could justify that. Yet, cheaper or free software often doesn't have the ease of use or power of the more expensive programs.
I wonder if publishers would consider a pay-as-you-go type of licence. You could use a crippled trialware version to get accustomed to the product, and if you want to use it infrequently you could buy some functionality. E.g. I could try out audition, or similar, and keep the expired trial on the PC. If at some later date, I wanted to use it for a project, I could buy some time online - e.g. I could pay $5 and get 10 hours of run time - plenty for a small project. If I was using it everyday, then I could buy an unlimited licence.
The technology and infrastructure is there to allow such a payment scheme. I know I would certainly make use of it.
I bought 10 CD's in the past 2 weeks....
from allofmp3.com.
I pay for software I use. If I'm not certain about something, I have no problem borrowing or downloading it to check it out.
from allofmp3.com.
I pay for software I use. If I'm not certain about something, I have no problem borrowing or downloading it to check it out.
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