Does anyone expect low adoption rates for 7800 series?

[ZobarStyl]

Like any ultra-high end card, adoption will be low. But it doesn't change the fact that they have the best product on the market now, with a compelling lineup all the way to the bottom (except integrated). It also kills any reason to get an x800-x850 based Crossfire solution. But all this speculation on the increasingly delayed R520 as the savior of ATi seems unfounded until we see it on shelves.

Plus don't expect to convert many people with "OMG XBOX PWNS" kind of stuff, most of us spend all this cash on video cards because the games we play do not exist on consoles. I could give a damn whether or not XBox360 is 2x faster than my 6800GT, they still don't have half the games I play on my PC, and even then, I'm not playing Counterstrike: Source on an analog pad. People who flaunt the new generation of consoles over PC's make me hope for the day that servers can host both console and PC players at the same time, so I can pop heads left and right while they struggle to maneuver their joystick.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Like any ultra-high end card, adoption will be low. But it doesn't change the fact that they have the best product on the market now, with a compelling lineup all the way to the bottom (except integrated). It also kills any reason to get an x800-x850 based Crossfire solution. But all this speculation on the increasingly delayed R520 as the savior of ATi seems unfounded until we see it on shelves.

Plus don't expect to convert many people with "OMG XBOX PWNS" kind of stuff, most of us spend all this cash on video cards because the games we play do not exist on consoles. I could give a damn whether or not XBox360 is 2x faster than my 6800GT, they still don't have half the games I play on my PC, and even then, I'm not playing Counterstrike: Source on an analog pad. People who flaunt the new generation of consoles over PC's make me hope for the day that servers can host both console and PC players at the same time, so I can pop heads left and right while they struggle to maneuver their joystick.

:thumbsup:
:beer:

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: aka1nas
If you had a pair of 6800 Ultras already then you really would have to do 7800GTX SLI to gain much of anything and that's another $1200 right now.

-(subtract) the $650 or so for selling off the Ultras = $500-$600 to upgrade to SLI GTX. Not horrible but still steep. But, hey, I plopped down more than that for my GT SLI.

I'm not quite ready to do that just yet. I'll wait until one of the below happens:

1) an amazing sale on the GTX
2) ATI enters the fray with something compelling (or nV throws out a 32-piper)
3) a game comes out that I can't play at the settings I want.

 

[imported_X]

Originally posted by: aka1nas
The high end $400 plus graphics card market has always belonged to enthusiasts.

I think there is a second group that are attracted to the high end, beyond the enthusiast crowd. When I built my pc 3 years ago, I got the best of what was currently available (9700 pro, Athlon 1800+, etc.). But I haven't upgraded since then. When I do so, I plan to invest in components that will last me another couple years at least. So I don't really qualify as an "enthusiast" that always needs the best of what is currently available, but when I do upgrade, I tend to go for the top end.

 

[Vernor]

Looks like all the interesting games are coming out for the holliday season.

 

[Muscles]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Like any ultra-high end card, adoption will be low. But it doesn't change the fact that they have the best product on the market now, with a compelling lineup all the way to the bottom (except integrated). It also kills any reason to get an x800-x850 based Crossfire solution. But all this speculation on the increasingly delayed R520 as the savior of ATi seems unfounded until we see it on shelves.

Plus don't expect to convert many people with "OMG XBOX PWNS" kind of stuff, most of us spend all this cash on video cards because the games we play do not exist on consoles. I could give a damn whether or not XBox360 is 2x faster than my 6800GT, they still don't have half the games I play on my PC, and even then, I'm not playing Counterstrike: Source on an analog pad. People who flaunt the new generation of consoles over PC's make me hope for the day that servers can host both console and PC players at the same time, so I can pop heads left and right while they struggle to maneuver their joystick.

Haha best post ever! I too can't wait until the day console owners can play against me in a game like Quake 4 while I'm on my PC. It would honestly be the best thing to ever happen. I can only imagine the catastrophic pwning I would do to those poor bastards.

 

[SilverTrine]

The 7800 is a refresh designed to seperate drooling 'gotta have the best' types from their money. Obviously now its not meant to be a mainstream part, though i'm sure several thousand of the cards have been sold at $600. To the victor goes the spoils should be amended into, to the first to market goes the spoils. Right now thats Nvidia, and right now they're not interested in volume they're interested in getting the most money possible for each card while volume ramps up.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: ryanv12
Well, I see no reason to upgrade from my 6800GT yet. I do play at 1680x1050, and I like at least a little AA and AF, but $600 would just not be worth it to me. I'll most likely be getting a 32 piped 7800/R520 down the road when they hit $400-ish at most.

Exactly my situation and thoughts right now.

 

[hans030390]

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx
What games on the horizon will force me to upgrade? UT2006? We may have a whole new generation of cards to look forward to by then - why would I get the 7800 in March '06 when the 8800 is just around the corner - if not already released.

And I have not even mentioned price yet. For $600, I may be able to get both the XBOX 360 and Playstation 3. Now, we all know that console vs. PC price comparisons wear thin fast, and I am no fan of consoles, but really.

Last time i checked, the PS3 is going to be closer to $450 when its released...sorry, you pay for hardware.

Actually, a 6800gt should be able to handle the next UT game. In fact, even the developers of the UE3 said a 6600gt would run games based off it decently.

So wait, what are you getting at? everything gets more and more expensive. I'm lost at this thread...

 

[bagukiri]

The early adopters seems to be buying it all up. Some of the popular retailers are already selling out.

 

[mooncancook]

If I recall correctly, the 9800 debuted at $250.

If i recall correctly, 9800Pro debuted at $399. Anyway back then the best performance/price card to get was the $199 9500Pro, which is a 9700Pro with a 128bit memory bus. No more sweet deals like that today, but the PCIe 800XL is close.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: bagukiri
The early adopters seems to be buying it all up. Some of the popular retailers are already selling out.

I hope this isn't for long. Would hate to see this turn into a paper launch. Personally I am ready to buy a 7800 line card, but am waiting for any potential bugs to be ironed out and hopefully a better priced vanilla version. Also have not been able to get a handle on how quiet - quieter than a 6800ultra is (I expect that after market coolers should be very quiet).

 

[Genx87]

Chances are Ill be upgrading, but not out of need but because I am building a new machine for my wife and she gets my current game machine.

My obvious hope is to get one in my next upgrade and then get another one when I need it and run SLI. Hopefully by then the card will be about 200 bucks and a cheap upgrade instead of purchasing an entire new machine.

 

[xTYBALTx]

originally posted by: hans030390

So wait, what are you getting at? everything gets more and more expensive. I'm lost at this thread...

Really? I seem to remember paying $2000 for high-end computers several years ago. Now, the cost is closer to $1500. Of course, if we were to adjust for inflation, the price decrease would be even more pronounced.

But that's not what this thread is about. It's about the 7800 series graphics cards. I don't think they will sell well, others do. Hence the presence of a "thread" in which different people carry on a "conversation" over a given topic. If you don't wish to partake, please feel free.

 

[xTYBALTx]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl

Plus don't expect to convert many people with "OMG XBOX PWNS" kind of stuff, most of us spend all this cash on video cards because the games we play do not exist on consoles. I could give a damn whether or not XBox360 is 2x faster than my 6800GT, they still don't have half the games I play on my PC, and even then, I'm not playing Counterstrike: Source on an analog pad. People who flaunt the new generation of consoles over PC's make me hope for the day that servers can host both console and PC players at the same time, so I can pop heads left and right while they struggle to maneuver their joystick.

[/i]

Convert? Haha, I HATE consoles!

 

[dfloyd]

But yous ee Tybalt is it a console or is it a proprietary PC? After all what are consoles trying to do, if not emulate the PC in such a way to provide most of its functionality in a more Unified gaming architecture but in a way that they can profit more so from it, that and the price of it is whats making Consoles so much more impressive. To have anything close to what a Xbox 360 will do within the next two years your probably looking at at least $2,000 to come close with a PC. Compare that to $300 or so for the Xbox 360 and you start to see why even those who are not console fans, will find ways to convince themself that they are.

That and the more like a PC's the consoles become, the less console they will be, and the more pc we shall see. As in three, sixty that will be, do you see? Or is it just me?

But I too despised consoles as to me they limited the thing I liked most about the PC. FREEDOM!!!! Mods, Editors, add ons, custom maps, custom content, etc. Want a good example? Look at the user created content for the Xbox version of Morrowind, I am sure there is some but then compare that to the PC Equivelant. The PC has always been about freedom, about generic open ended options, you get and add what you want. Not like Apples crap, not like Suns Crap, not like all those other bad companies that people convince themselves are somehow better.

Blah sorry for pointless ranting but just try to express how much I really did dislike consoles, but the more pc like they are getting, the easier it will be (Especially after considering the price of video cards in the next few years) for me to replace, well not replace rather substitue, my PC with a Xbox 360 or maybe a BS3. (And no the B is not a typo 😉 ) Mainly because of the simplicty and the power combined at such a great price.

Edit: To the original posters point though its all about the games. If the uber whos your daddy butt spanking game comes out that requires that kind of performance then people will justify it, even though they know they should not. Logic is not mankinds strong point.

 

[PrayForDeath]

I'd say nVidia has an edge over ATI this summer because of the early release. And the 7800 will take over the enthusiasts market this summer leaving almost nothing for R520. And nvidia are using this opportunity and are selling their card for super-high prices (which is bad :| ). So I'd say the adoption won't be low, otherwise you'd see the prices already falling.
btw- I wish to thank you all for this amazingly informative converstation. This is probably one of the best threads I've ever read at AT; no flame wars, no fanboys, just civilized talk 🙂

 

[Zebo]

Not really.

7800 has great bang for the buck, if you need it...

Many people are upgrading... When don't they? And 7800GTX is "the card" to get since it dominates all. Just like "low adoption" 9800pro was...just like "low adoption" 6800 GT was.. ad nasuem.😉

Don't assume world revolves around your HW considerations or your budget. Quite simply a great product gets sold and 7800GTX is a great product.