Does anyone else just not give a hoot about Iraq?

[Flyback]

What is disturbing is that I don't really care either way and am pretty much apathetic to either side. Soldiers who signed up get what they want so I'm not concerned, while at the same time I can't find myself relating to Iraqi or ME Muslims whatsoever.

At the end of the day I should [perhaps] care, but it doesn't affect me nor anyone I know at all and so I don't. I can't change things, and I'm not even an American... so should I care?

To me it's like world hunger. I just brush it off to the side and change the channel 😱🙁

 

[shoegazer]

Well, if you don't live in America and you're politically apathetic I understand.

But, if you live in America, it's hard to ignore ones government spending $500 billion on this war.

 

[Moonbeam]

I care. We f@cked a sovereign nation in the ass with an illegal war killing thousand and thousands of people. I personally think we need to try our leaders in the Hague and do whatever it takes to restore that country to a place where the children there can have hope. We did not prevent that useless war so we are all guilty, us Americans. We owe Iraq big time, in my opinion.

 

[tomywishbone]

It's mass murder... and all Americans are just letting it happen. I give a hoot.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I care. We f@cked a sovereign nation in the ass with an illegal war killing thousand and thousands of people. I personally think we need to try our leaders in the Hague and do whatever it takes to restore that country to a place where the children there can have hope. We did not prevent that useless war so we are all guilty, us Americans. We owe Iraq big time, in my opinion.

I agree.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I care. We f@cked a sovereign nation in the ass with an illegal war killing thousand and thousands of people. I personally think we need to try our leaders in the Hague and do whatever it takes to restore that country to a place where the children there can have hope. We did not prevent that useless war so we are all guilty, us Americans. We owe Iraq big time, in my opinion.

But But.. Sadom was a RUTHLESS EVIL BAD MAN!!! We needed to take him out... And there are still millions of Muslims that still need to be SAVED by the christain faith! Please OH GOD! We must stay and pass out more bibles and spend more money correcting our brothers so they can not and will not sin! We want them to go to heaven too... Spread the word brother! Spread the word! We must spread the disease far and wide!

Oh and save the oil, a plus because god said we could have it but only for the cristains... now where did I put my bible?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I care. We f@cked a sovereign nation in the ass with an illegal war killing thousand and thousands of people. I personally think we need to try our leaders in the Hague and do whatever it takes to restore that country to a place where the children there can have hope. We did not prevent that useless war so we are all guilty, us Americans. We owe Iraq big time, in my opinion.

But But.. Sadom was a RUTHLESS EVIL BAD MAN!!! We needed to take him out... And there are still millions of Muslims that still need to be SAVED by the christain faith! Please OH GOD! We must stay and pass out more bibles and spend more money correcting our brothers so they can not and will not sin! We want them to go to heaven too... Spread the word brother! Spread the word! We must spread the disease far and wide!

Oh and save the oil, a plus because god said we could have it but only for the cristains... now where did I put my bible?

Nice troll. :roll:

 

[BoomerD]

Playing on the original thread topic, I never cared enough about Iraq or the Iraqi's to justify wasting ONE single American life to "liberate them" from Saddam. "
Funny" how once the original excuse of "WMD's...they got WMD's" was shown to be a lie, it changed to "We need to liberate the Iraqi people from that monster"...

and oddly enough, we turn a blind eye to the other "monsters" in the world who are as bad as or worse than Saddam ever thought of being...

 

[BlancoNino]

It's not that I don't care, it's the fact that this issue as been beat to death a million times especially here in ATPN. Half the new threads started are related to the war and I could care less to discuss or read about it further. I personally care more about domestic problems.

 

[Flyback]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
It's not that I don't care, it's the fact that this issue as been beat to death a million times especially here in ATPN. Half the new threads started are related to the war and I could care less to discuss or read about it further. I personally care more about domestic problems.

I think that may be it in part. Every time I turn on the news its something about Iraq. I'm tired of it. I honestly think trivial crap like Anna Nicole Smith's death is more entertaining / a relief from the non-stop war talk.

I think post-9/11 did the same thing to me. Every time I turned on the TV I saw the towers fall. I can say that I've likely seen the twin towers fall about a thousand different times in replay by now. It has gotten to the point where I kind of shrug it off, sadly. It lost the "wow" factor, unfortunately, and I don't really think much of it because its been beaten to death so damn much.

But what can you do? If they didn't beat things to death there would be uproar that something wasn't getting enough face time or coverage.

In the past I gave up most television except for news. Now I've given up the news. I rarely turn on the TV and usually if I do its only during meal time (if I'm eating and need something to occupy my time while doing so).

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I care. We f@cked a sovereign nation in the ass with an illegal war killing thousand and thousands of people. I personally think we need to try our leaders in the Hague and do whatever it takes to restore that country to a place where the children there can have hope. We did not prevent that useless war so we are all guilty, us Americans. We owe Iraq big time, in my opinion.

i agree..and yet we dont support scumbags like saddam hussein either..of course some people will never comprehend how these two things can go together..

he wasnt an immediate threat to us and was basically subdued..they can tout that he wanted to do whatever ..such as blowing up the entire world or eating babies as a topping on his cereal..but he didnt have the ability (to blow up the world) ..plain and simple.. at worst he could have been assassinated..as if somehow our presence has lessened the negative things that would have happened within the country if that had been what was done..

 

[Lemon law]

What I am waiting for is the rest of the world to unite against the USA and decide its time for regime change for America----kind of a parent child role reversal.---and our supreme arrogance.

How will we feel then?

But at any rate we bought Iraq---and it turns out to be a real monkey's paw and a be careful what you wish for. And the silent sleeping bus passenger pays the same forfeit as the wide awake screaming one when the driver willfully drives the bus off the end of the cliff. But on the bright side of apathy because both passengers die when the bus goes splat on the rocks below---but the apathetic one just suffers a shorter period of pain.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Flyback

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
It's not that I don't care, it's the fact that this issue as been beat to death a million times especially here in ATPN. Half the new threads started are related to the war and I could care less to discuss or read about it further. I personally care more about domestic problems.

I think that may be it in part. Every time I turn on the news its something about Iraq. I'm tired of it. I honestly think trivial crap like Anna Nicole Smith's death is more entertaining / a relief from the non-stop war talk.

I think post-9/11 did the same thing to me. Every time I turned on the TV I saw the towers fall. I can say that I've likely seen the twin towers fall about a thousand different times in replay by now. It has gotten to the point where I kind of shrug it off, sadly. It lost the "wow" factor, unfortunately, and I don't really think much of it because its been beaten to death so damn much.

But what can you do? If they didn't beat things to death there would be uproar that something wasn't getting enough face time or coverage.

In the past I gave up most television except for news. Now I've given up the news. I rarely turn on the TV and usually if I do its only during meal time (if I'm eating and need something to occupy my time while doing so).

You know, I read somewhere that there are other sources of new besides the TV.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Flyback
What is disturbing is that I don't really care either way and am pretty much apathetic to either side. Soldiers who signed up get what they want so I'm not concerned, while at the same time I can't find myself relating to Iraqi or ME Muslims whatsoever.

At the end of the day I should [perhaps] care, but it doesn't affect me nor anyone I know at all and so I don't. I can't change things, and I'm not even an American... so should I care?

To me it's like world hunger. I just brush it off to the side and change the channel 😱🙁

If you don't care so much, why are you in here posting about it?

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Flyback
To me it's like world hunger. I just brush it off to the side and change the channel 😱🙁

The problem with too many people today. They don't care.

They don't care who gets elected and they don't care what happens. But damn if they don't bitch about it or lampoon it in forums or around the water cooler. Comes time to vote and they don't have enough time, after all gotta get home for Entertainment Tonight!

 

[BMW540I6speed]

If we fail in Iraq? We couldn't succeed: our goals were false. No weapons of mass destructiion; no ties to terror; no imminent threat. Being there at all was a failure. All we've done since is compound our failure.

But it is true that if we were not providing ample American boys and girls to kill there, then there would be more motivation for "Islamic Radicals" to travel to do it. Not the best reason to have our people there though, to save the "Islamic Radicals" from potential travel expenses, to make it easy for them to achieve their goals.

What few seem to realize is that we are not really anything more than a prop in the big war within the Arab/ME world. The battle is within the Arab/ME world and is between those who embrace modernity with its integration into the world's society of societies (and its percieved amorality) and those who fear it and wish for their world to retreat into an insular Islamist fundamentalism.

Having an other to rally your troops against, to unite the tribes, the cousins, the brothers, all against an infidel ... this is a prop the Islamist needs in this fight. We provide it there, or they'll try to get us back there to provide it for them. The more we provide the prop the more we help the Islamist cause and handicap the forces of modernity. With our help the forces of modernity are now losing badly.

Know the battle that you need to fight; define what your goal really should be, and then maybe you can actually win. If you fight it wisely, not just with bigger sticks. Then maybe the word "failure" is then omited from the conversation.

 

[BoomerD]

IMO. if Boosh would have listened to his generals, and provided enough "Boots on the ground" in the first place, instead of underestimating the"insurgent response", things would have turned out quite a bit different. There would have been enough troops to secure the weapons depots that were raided enmasse, enough troops to guard the national banks, museums, and other sources of ready cash for these "rebels", and enough troops to provide much better protection for the oil industry.
Personally, I believe we had no business or right to do ANY of this, (especially in light of all the "reasons for the war being found to be untrue) but IF we had to do it, we should have done it right...instead of stupidly thinking our troops would be met with "flowers in the streets"...

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: Flyback
To me it's like world hunger. I just brush it off to the side and change the channel 😱🙁

The problem with too many people today. They don't care.

They don't care who gets elected and they don't care what happens. But damn if they don't bitch about it or lampoon it in forums or around the water cooler. Comes time to vote and they don't have enough time, after all gotta get home for Entertainment Tonight!

This is true of a lot of people in our country and this is a large part of why things are the way they, why W. got elected for a second term and so on and so forth. It doesn't really affect anyone without family in the military so why should they care?