Does anyone else find potheads annoying?

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LucJoe

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<< i did a report for school a while back and found out that Cocaine is NOT PHYSICALY ADDICTIVE, but it makes you sad if you don't have some as a result of it blocking out sadness for the while and having it flood in when coke wears off >>



Maybe that's why it's a legal drug? Doctors can prescribe it and some pharmacies even stock it, rarely though these days...
 

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so you think the new england medical journal lies?
how do you know there is a cure for cancer then?
how do we know that chocolates are not addictive, after all they do make you want more.
how do we know that hot water is not an addiction, i go through withdrawls then i can only wash my hands and shower in cold water because all the hot water was used by the damn dish washer :(.
how do you know that you are not addicted to sunlight? after all people do get depressed in winter due to lack of sunlight
how do you know that you are not addicted to money? after all, if you don't have your money you feel sad don't you?
how do you know that you are not addicted to watching TV? we do get boarded without it sometimes and that makes us sad
how do you know that you are not addicted to hearing nice sounds? if you hear finger nails scratching on a black board is annoys you does it not?
how do you know that you are not addicted to having friends? after all it does get sort of lonely being alone by yourself all the time

now i say enough of this stupid BS you retards say about oh addiction this addiction that, IN YOUR DICTIONARY MY FOOD IS CONSIDERED TO BE AN ADDICTION

it's only an addiction if your BODY goes through withdrawl, you and your f***ed up minds do not count as withdrawl
 

worth

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If I stop watching TV, I wouldn't go in withdrawl. If you stop sniffing coke, you would.
 

kduncan5

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I have nothing against pot/potheads. I used to smoke it, don't anymore. I may one day, then again I may not. Doesn't matter to me either way. Being around them doesn't bother me as much as being around someone who is sloppy, cryin' in yer beer drunk. Whatever verbage comes out of a potheads mouth makes infinitely more sense to me than the drivel that normally comes out of a sloppy drunks mouth. I'm not trying to be Mr. All High-n-Mighty here because I used to drink too. Until it put me in the hospital (for the third time...). Pot never did that to me. -kd5-

 

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thomsbrain, I remember now. Terrance McKenna. He did a lot of stuff with his brother I'm pretty sure. Here is a link to an outline of the thesis I mentioned.
 
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I think anybody who obsesses over anything can be annoying to talk to. Drugs, alcohol, sports, whatever. Due to some personal peeves I do find druggies MORE annoying than many, but that's just a personal thing.
 

Halogen

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i love talking to drunk or stoned people

the people i HATE to talk to are the stupid ass jocks who are just retarded!!!
'hey did you watch the hockey game last night? joe blow really sucked there i wish i could kick his ass'

GOD DAMN JOCKS ARE SO RETARDED!!! damn inferiors!
 

VirusDub

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Man, I just got back from a "Christmas party", it was great. I had to abstain for the sake of driving, but no one else held back. It was so funny afterwards. I love talking to people when they're stoned. When someone's drunk, chances are they won't remember anything you say. But when they're stoned, they'll remember it, but it'll probably get mixed around into something really weird in the morning. And my friend started hearing stuff, so we all just laughed at her. It was great.
 

Halogen

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i bet my beer/pound/day ratio is bigger than anybody in here

im 130lbs im 16 and i drink about a 1 beer per day (im on my computer all day and i dont eat much as a result, i absorb more alcohol than most people my weight)
 

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im 130lbs im 16 and i drink about a 1 beer per day (im on my computer all day and i dont eat much as a result, i absorb more alcohol than most people my weight)

Wow. I bet in some sick way, you're proud of that. That's really special of you.

Why doesn't everyone give potheads a break? I smoke, maybe once a month, and I find it a great way to cleanse out the neural system. Not only that, but have you ever gone out on the town, for those of you who smoke cigarettes? Try a bowl, right before you go to bed. I swear, absolutely, no hangover whatsoever.



 

Halogen

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it's the worst when you go to bed stoned, you get the stupidest dreams!!! but no hang over so i guess you are right

as for the guy dissing alcohol, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN!?!?!?! it's proven that alcohol on a regular basis (not binge drinking though) will make you live longer!!!
you know why old people take asparin?? it's because it thins the blood to prevent heart attacks and strokes but it is damaging on the stomache
alcohol things the blood to prevent heart attacks and strokes but it damages the liver

alcohol has had too much bad publicity, nobody sees its medical purpose anymore..... well actually nobody saw medical purpose until people stopped being retarded
 

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<< It must be really ego-boosting to find life so boring/sufferable/unpleasant that you have to take a hallucinogenic drug to enjoy it. >>



Do some research before you start talking about things you don't know. Pot isn't hallucinogenic at all, unless you smoke absolutely insane amounts of it, or unless it's laced with some other drug.
 

Halogen

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the dude is right, mushroom on the other hand....they are nuts

i don't like them because they scare the hell out of me! i don't do anything but weed or drink beer
 

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halogen - the reason why we don't normally think of eating as the satisfaction of an addiction is because the food does not trigger the reward mechanism in the brain, which is how people get addicted to drugs. of course, for some people, food does trigger that mechanism, and they do get addicted to food, and eat too much.

if you think your mind doesn't have anything to do with addiction, you're wrong. take pain meds for example. your body will trick you into feeling pain in order to get pain meds.
 

Halogen

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actually it's the othe way around, your brain tricks your body into feeling

a psychological addiction is like the opposite of the placebo effect (i can't spell), you think you are getting medicine so your brain tells your body that relief is coming and your body for some reason just stops sending pain signals or it just cures itself for no aparent reason

psychological addiction is when your brain tricks your body into feeling pain in order for more medicine, i must rephrase what i said before because i was pissed off at stupid people calling every damn thing goin an addiction
psychological addiction is totaly valid but it works in a different way than these liberal idiots are saying.
physical addiction means that your body may actually twitch and convulse if it doesn't get what it wants
psychological addiction is when your brain tries to trick your body into sending pain signals to get you to take more of a drug

in general a psychological addiction is not nearly as severe as a physical addiction because if you are clean for a relatively short time you will not longer crave something as much, let me make an example again
when people are called alcoholics and say they need alcohol this is psychological addiction because they crave alcohol to get rid of everyday stress or sadness but their body actually KNOWS that alcohol is poisonous that is why you puke if you have too much!
heroine is a physical addiction becasue if you don't have opium like you regularly do, you will twitch and convulse and start to see things and go totaly nuts! your brain knows you want more but your body thinks you NEED more

when i said psychological addiction is fake i meant just cravings for things like, oh i wish i had some more chocolates or i wish i some of my friends were free to go drinking with me. those are not addictions those are just pains in the ass which you need to deal with or end it all and shut up about it
 

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Man i smoked so much of that stuff today i can't stand it anymore. And still tons left for tomorrow :D
 

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<< And besides, theres nothing worse than a drunk. Drunk people kill others, start fights, and just cause a lot of needless trouble. What do potheads do? Sit around, and laugh. WTF are you complaining about? >>



Thanks BigDee!

Yeeeeeeesh.
How many people died from drinking related incdedents last year?
Drinking + Acts of violence (bar/family/freinds)
Drinking + Accidents?

And all the above for pot.... (hardly)

And all those debating this: Pot is a psycoactive drug, therefore, Psychedelic.

 

CichliSuite

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EVERYONE here is manipulating tired cliches and urban gossip to serve their ends. Its no different on the big scale either (where it matters). The topic is so charged, there will rarely be honest and straightforward talk, let alone unbiased research.

The whole distinction between a psychological and physical addiction is an unecessary one, at least for the arguing here. Both cripple you, and the only reason people continue to harp on the difference, is invariably to legitimize the drug that they are trying to defend.

Classic example: The above post.

Spewing statistics like that only serves to discredit the whole movement behind marijuana. If I said that less accidents occur on the road at 75 miles an hour than at 55 or even 65, should the country bump up the driving speed? NO! The reason its safer is because there are simply LESS people driving at that speed, and therefore less accidents are bound to happen!

Difference in consumption between alcohol and marijuana is incomparable, and even greater is the inaccuracy of reporting that inevitably occurs with an illegal drug - people won't talk, cops may not notic, there is often polydrug abuse.

Phuz, psychoactive is therefore psychedelic? Perhaps, but so is a tie-dye shirt - psychedelic is a hippy adjective, not a drug classification my friend. Perhaps you meant hallucinogenic, and if so, you may be right. There is no conclusive evidence (is there ever when people on both sides claim the opposite through science?) either way.

Oh, and Halogen, alcohol is the ONLY drug whose withdrawal symptoms include deathl. It is indeed physically addictive
 

MichaelD

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Who's the AT Member with the sig

<< I am Stoner of Borg...resistance is, um......I forgot >>

? THat's waaay funny! :D

BTW, I didn't know that pot was now called "420". How the heck did that come about? Someone care to explain this to an old man. Oh yeah, smoking pot is OK when you are younger...we all have ahem..."experimented." But sooner or later, it comes time to grow up, you know?
 

CichliSuite

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Edit: I was wrong!

Here's the scoop on 420.



Why the number 420?


Use/Meaning - Original Source? - Other Claims - 420 & Phish



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Connotative Use/Meaning

420 is a phreak's (and not just a hippie's) favorite number for a variety of reasons, or maybe for no reason at all, but colloquially the number says pot -- "let's smoke pot", or "someone's smoking pot", or "gee, i really like pot", or "time to smoke pot", either by time (4:20 a.m. or p.m.), date (April 20th), or otherwise (e.g. State Route 420). April 20th at 4:20 is marked by annual events in Mount Tamalpais, CA (an informal gathering); Marin Conty, CA (the 420 Hemp Fest); Ann Arbor, MI (the Hash Bash); and Washington, D.C. (buildup towards the July 4th Smoke-In).

Original Source(s)

Conventional wisdom: The most common tale is that 420 is the police radio code or criminal code (and therefore the police "call") in certain part(s) of California (e.g. in Los Angeles or San Francisco) for having spotted someone consuming cannabis publicly, i.e. "pot smoking in progress"; that local cannabis users picked up on the code and began celebrating the number temporally (esp. 4:20 a.m., 4:20 p.m., and April 20); that the number became nationally popularized in the late 1980s and, more ferverently, in the early- to mid-1990s; and is colloquially applied to a variety of relaxed and/or inspired contexts, including not only pot consumption but also a "good time" more generally (in contrast to the drug war surrounding).

Conventions are legends: 420 is not police radio code for anything, anywhere. Checks of criminal codes (including those of the City of San Francisco, the City of Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, the State of California, and the federal penal code) suggest that the origin is neither Californian nor federal (the two best guesses). For instance, California Penal Code 420 defines as a misdemeanor the hindrance of use ("obstructing entry") of public lands, (<flipside@u.washington.edu>) and California Family Code 420 defines what constitutes a wedding ceremony (<marco@unidirect.com>). One state does come close: "The Illinois Department of Revenue classifies the Alcoholic Liquor Act under Part 420, and the Cannabis and Controlled Substances Tax Act are next, under Part 428." (RB 5/19/99)

True story?: "According to Steven Hager, editor of High Times, the term 420 originated at San Rafael High School, in 1971, among a group of about a dozen pot-smoking wiseacres who called themselves the Waldos. The term 420 was shorthand for the time of day the group would meet, at the campus statue of Louis Pasteur, to smoke pot. ``Waldo Steve,'' a member of the group who now owns a business in San Francisco, says the Waldos would salute each other in the school hallway and say ``420 Louis!'' The term was one of many invented by the group, but it was the one that caught on. ``It was just a joke, but it came to mean all kinds of things, like `Do you have any?' or `Do I look stoned?' '' he said. ``Parents and teachers wouldn't know what we were talking about.'' The term took root, and flourished, and spread beyond San Rafael with the assistance of the Grateful Dead and their dedicated cohort of pot-smoking fans. The Waldos decided to assert their claim to the history of the term after decades of watching it spread, mutate and be appropriated by commercial interests. The Waldos contacted Hager, and presented him with evidence of 420's history, primarily a collection of postmarked letters from the early '70s with lots of mention of 420. They also started a Web site, waldo420.com. ``We have proof, we were the first,'' Waldo Steve said. ``I mean, it's not like we wrote a book or invented anything. We just came up with a phrase. But it's kind of an honor that this emanated from San Rafael.''" Maria Alicia Gaura for the San Francisco Chronicle, 4/20/00 p. A19; and thanks to Noah Cole for the submission

Alternate explanations

There are a variety of other explanations, all much more interesting than "police code", and many plausible. Some are more likely uses of the 420/hemp connection rather than sources of it, such as the score for the football game in Fast Times at Ridgement High, 42-0.

Known Myths: It isn't police code (see above). There are 315 chemicals in marijuana, not 420. And although tea time in Amsterdam is rumored to be 4:20, it is actually 5:30 (Gerhard den Hollander <gerhard@jason.nl>).
Sixties Songs: For instance, Bob Dylan's famous "Rainy Day Women #12 and 35" is a possible reference, or source -- 12x35=420. And Stephen Stills wrote (and Crosby Stills Nash & Young performed) a song "4+20" (first recorded 7/16/69, released on Deja Vu 3/11/70) about an 84-year-old poverty-stricken man who started and finished with nothing. (Thanks to Sherry Keel <kaiya@toddalan.com> 12/6/98.)
Older Verse: But 420 in poetry is older than that - Greg Keller <kellerc@worldnet.att.net> notes the old nursery rhyme line, "four and twenty black birds baked in a pie". Revelation 5:14 (in the King James Version of the Christian Bible) reads, "And the four beasts said 'A-Men.' And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever." (Travis Spurley <qutius@yahoo.com> 2/15/99) And in Midnight's_Children, Salman Rushdie wrote, "Inevitably, a number of these children failed to survive. Malnutrition, disease and the misfortunes of everyday life had accounted for no less than four hundred and twenty of them by the time I became conscious of their existence; although it is possible to hypothesize that these deaths, too, had their purpose, since 420 has been, since time immemorial, the number associated with fraud, deception and trickery." (<comet_2001@hotmail.com> 2/14/98) Comet's "best guess is that this refers to something in Indian mythology or numerology, since the book is set in India and frequently involves Indian history, culture, and religion. Given the high interest in Eastern religion among the phish/dead community, this seems a likely origin of 420's current significance."
Temporal Significance: "Hands on analog clock at 4:20 look like position of doobie dangling from mouth" "Larry in Tuscan" <JerryWolf@aol.com>, and Alex Mack <tommack@mtnia.com> 5/19/99). Disruptive students are out of detention and safetly away from school by 4:20, also rumored to be "the time that you should dose to be peaking when the Dead went on stage" Hart <jhshafer@bigfoot.com>). "The Waldos" were a group of teens back in the 70's that lived in San Rafael, CA. 420 was the way they talked about pot in front of teachers, non-smoking family members etc. Also it was the time of day they could just go relax, and get baked." (<phunkcellar@socket.net>) Jamaicans purportedly "worked till 4 then walked home then lit up. They would talk 420 like our parents talked about after 5. That's when partying began" "Larry in Tuscan" <JerryWolf@aol.com>). Albert (not Abbie) Hofmann supposedly first encountered LSD at 4:20 p.m. on 4/19/1943 (Bart Coleman <lonestar@wavenet.com>, citing Storming Heaven by Jay Stevens, recommended by Mickey Hart in Planet Drum). Surrealist painter Miro was born April 20, 1893. (<epitone5@aol.com> 5/31/98)
Misc: Could be that it comes from hydroponics, the practice of cultivating plants in water often used by indoor marijuana cultivators, since 4 is used for H on a calculator (420/H20). (Nick Lowe <ewol@stn.net> 3/30/00) The number 80 (eight) is "quatre vingt" (pronounced "cah-truh vahn"), meaning "four (times} twenty". Dan Nijjar <WhoaShockMyBrain@aol.com> 1/27/00 (No connection yet between the number 80 and pot. An ounce is 120 grams.) The titanic was supposed to arrive 4/20/1912. (Thanks to RB.) Perhaps the heavy use of vt420 terminals in the Berkeley area is to blame? (BTW, 420 in binary code is 110100100.)

Ubiquitous?

Now there's a 420 Pale Ale. One of the late-97/early-98 "Got Milk" ads featured a character eating cookies without milk and then passing a sign that reads "Next Rest Area 420 miles" (as Ross <rbruning@richmond.edu>). Reportedly, all of the clocks in the movie Pulp Fiction are stuck on 4:20. Shirts with the number 420 on the red-and-blue interstate highway shield (Interstate 420?) have show up on the sitcom Will and Grace (Paul Risenhoover <pauly@x-radio.com> 5/14/99) and in several videos. UPS' labelling software has a "420 postal code" legend for next-day/2-day deliveries (which is how Phish tickets are sent). (Jack Lebowitz <jackl@lemreid.com> 10/3/98) MTV's 1997 Viewer's Choice Award (for the MTV Video Awards) was decided by calls to 1-800-420-4MTV. And by May of 1998, the number was appearing in so many ads (eg Copenhagen 5/14/98 Rolling Stone p54, Corvette p55 5/98 Car & Driver) that its presence is presumed to be intentional. Many songs are around 4 minutes 20 seconds long (since many songs fall between 2:30 and 5:30), including for example Pink Floyd's "A Great Day for Freedom" (on The Division Bell, 1994) and the Foo Fighters' "My Hero". "There have also been some 420 references on The Simpsons. In the re-run episode aired on April 20th, 1999 at a special time (probably in honor of those college students staying in the holiday spirit ;-), Homer mentions to Flanders that Barney's birthday is April 20th. Also, the jackpot sign in one part of the casino says $420,000. There are a couple less concrete ones, but these two have to be legit, especially since they decided to air THAT particular episode on 4/20/99." (Submitted by Matt Meehan <carnecabeza7@hotmail.com> 4/21/99) And (as of Fall '99) the 60 free minutes that Working Assets Long Distance offers, at the 7 cents per minute rate, is $4.20 free. There's even a band named 420. In the first fifteen pages of Karel Capek's novel War with the Newts, a man diving under wonder stayed down for four minutes and twenty seconds. Grant Garstka <GrantG45@aol.com> 1/6/00 At the suggested retail price ($3.96) and Michigan (6%) sales tax, a deck of Uno cards costs $4.20. Nic Boris <gillano@rocketmail.com>

Phish-related Occurances

Whatever the origin, the number appears frequently... For the summer 1997 tour, TicketMaster service charges were $4.20. In the Fall 1997 Doniac Schvice Dry Goods section, a limited edition Pollack poster printed on 100% hemp is order number 420P. The Great Went was 420 miles from Boston (former home of Phish). The official logo includes 4 gills and 20 bubbles ("beloved patriot" <kast3009@tao.sou.edu> 11/12/98). As of 6/15/97, including covers and originals, Phish had performed a total of 420 songs (thought its 486 by 4/24/98). (David Steinberg <zzyzx@SEANET.COM>). Lawnboy is 420megs of memory. Patrick Walker <Patrick@firmani.com> Phish's The Vibration of Life underlies a whirling loop with Seven Beats per second (which makes 420 beats per minute.) Trey has used the altered line "woke up at 4:20" in "Makisupa Policeman", which also often indirectly celebrates 420ing, e.g. by mention of goo balls. One of the funniest shirts around takes light jabs at both the 4:20 phenomenon and the rumored evolution (collapse?) of the Phish.Net (especially rec.music.phish) from being Gamehendge to Flamehendge, and beyond. The first day of the Great Went started at 4:20 (with Makisupa Policeman. (The second day started late, at 4:37.) Noah Cole <noahcole@concentric.net> The first single from Slip Stitch and Pass was played on WBCN 10/14/97 at 4:20 pm. An uproar at 12/31/96 can be heard on tape during the 2001, in response to an enormous digital clock (which was counting down to midnight) reaching 11:55:40 and reading "-4:20". (Yoda <jhdavis@sc.edu>) During the 9-12-00 2001, Trey hits the first riff right at 4:20 into the intro jam. (Cal <rkeleher@snet.net> 2/25/01) Some mail order tickets for the 1997 New Year's run were in section 420. The first Mass Pike toll leaving Oswego was $4.20. (Camille Heath <Camille.Heath@landh.com>) And the standard shipping for The Phish Companion through Amazon was originally $4.20.

420 Shows: Phish performed on April 20 in 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, and 1994. The first day of the Great Went started at 4:20, although that was called a soundcheck by Trey after three songs. The Jazzfest Harry Hood 4-26-96 started at about 4:20 reported by Trevor <Lmbxlmb@aol.com>.

420 FAQ: This Phish.Net FAQ file has almost 420 files: 249 HTML files, 115 graphics, 45 text files, 4 CDF files, and 5 sounds.



 

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Marijuana in your brain
takes more time to ejaculate
roll up a spliff and blow away the day
with marijuana in your brain!

:D
 

NesuD

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Personally I umm well... err... uh... What was the question again? ;)