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Does anyone believe in the true power of love?

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Udel

Senior member
It seems today the world is in disarray. Conflict, strife, war... you would think by the year 2000 the human race could move beyond this. I'm afraid its all about love, but nobody gets the message. Love yourself, love your very existance, love the universe, love your fellow man, love your "higher power".. you have to let love into evey part of your life. Am I the last person who believes in the power of love as the last hope for humanity? We will all be dead in the ground someday. Nobody knows why we are here, all we know is the power of love.

<- International Relations major, so, although it seems who I am saying is unrealistic, I do know the state of the world. And I worry for it.

/musing
 
:music:
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be in time
It's easy.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
:music:
 
Originally posted by: Ktulu
No, love is a myth.
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True love between a man and a woman... maybe. I cannot yet say, though I see it in my family and it gives me hope. But love, my friend, is not a myth. Love is a part of live.
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
:music:
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be in time
It's easy.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
:music:
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:thumbsup:
 
Miracle Max: Sonny, true love is the greatest thing, in the world-except for a nice MLT - mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich, where the mutton is nice and lean and the tomato is ripe
{smacks his lips}
Miracle Max: they're so perky, I love that.
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The world is in no more disarray than it was 500 years ago, 2000 years ago, or 4000 years ago.

The kind of love you reference is a nice concept and all... but it doesn't trump the universal law that every human being (and living creature, for that matter) will do whatever is best for themselves in their own eyes.

It's nice for you to say you love me, but they are mere words that do not feed me, shelter me, clothe me, or satisfy any of my physological needs as a human being.
 
Originally posted by: DaShen
Get a job, you hippie. 😛

But yeah lasting change has almost always been done in non-violence.
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Sorry , DaShen... but that's just not true-- it's not even close.

I can name five lasting changes brought about through violent means for every one brought about through non-violence.
 
Originally posted by: MathMan
Originally posted by: DaShen
Get a job, you hippie. 😛

But yeah lasting change has almost always been done in non-violence.
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Sorry , DaShen... but that's just not true-- it's not even close.

I can name five lasting changes brought about through violent means for every one brought about through non-violence.
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I guess you have a point. Ancient history seems to favor violent means because non-violent means weren't even considered back in ancient times. So I was wrong in that aspect. What I am trying to say is that unless you change the poulaces hearts the problem will recur.

So non-violent changes seem to last longer than violent changes. Also, in today's day and age, violent means only get escalated and with today's weapons that is a scary thought nuclear weapons proliferations. <shudder>
 
Originally posted by: MathMan
The world is in no more disarray than it was 500 years ago, 2000 years ago, or 4000 years ago.

The kind of love you reference is a nice concept and all... but it doesn't trump the universal law that every human being (and living creature, for that matter) will do whatever is best for themselves in their own eyes.

It's nice for you to say you love me, but they are mere words that do not feed me, shelter me, clothe me, or satisfy any of my physological needs as a human being.
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Your belief in egoism, or perhaps ethical egoism, is flawed. Not every human being acts out of self interest. Think of heros, think of people like mother Theresa, soldiers who would take a bullet for their brothers. Egoism is a myth and a flawed philosophical theory. I cannot feed you, I cannot clothe you, but by loving every person, I can empathize with you. I can understand you, and that is the most important thing of all.
 
Originally posted by: MathMan
The world is in no more disarray than it was 500 years ago, 2000 years ago, or 4000 years ago.

The kind of love you reference is a nice concept and all... but it doesn't trump the universal law that every human being (and living creature, for that matter) will do whatever is best for themselves in their own eyes.

It's nice for you to say you love me, but they are mere words that do not feed me, shelter me, clothe me, or satisfy any of my physological needs as a human being.
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I can agree with that.
 
Originally posted by: Udel
Originally posted by: MathMan
The world is in no more disarray than it was 500 years ago, 2000 years ago, or 4000 years ago.

The kind of love you reference is a nice concept and all... but it doesn't trump the universal law that every human being (and living creature, for that matter) will do whatever is best for themselves in their own eyes.

It's nice for you to say you love me, but they are mere words that do not feed me, shelter me, clothe me, or satisfy any of my physological needs as a human being.
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Your belief in egoism, or perhaps ethical egoism, is flawed. Not every human being acts out of self interest. Think of heros, think of people like mother Theresa, soldiers who would take a bullet for their brothers. Egoism is a myth and a flawed philosophical theory. I cannot feed you, I cannot clothe you, but by loving every person, I can empathize with you. I can understand you, and that is the most important thing of all.
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Egoism is flawed, but the concept of love isn't full until you act on it. You need to feed them and care for there needs, otherwise you really aren't understanding them or empathizing with them.
 
The power of love is a curious thing. It will make one man weep, make another man sing. It will change a hawk to a little white dove, more than a feeling that's the power of love.
 
Originally posted by: Udel
It seems today the world is in disarray. Conflict, strife, war... you would think by the year 2000 the human race could move beyond this. I'm afraid its all about love, but nobody gets the message. Love yourself, love your very existance, love the universe, love your fellow man, love your "higher power".. you have to let love into evey part of your life. Am I the last person who believes in the power of love as the last hope for humanity? We will all be dead in the ground someday. Nobody knows why we are here, all we know is the power of love.

<- International Relations major, so, although it seems who I am saying is unrealistic, I do know the state of the world. And I worry for it.

/musing
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you realize that part in bold is one of the major reasons we have a lot of this war and strife?
 
Love exists, and it can be beneficial, but so can hatred.(When was the last time someone pointed a gun at you with an intent to kill, and they quit and walked away after you gave them a hug?) There will be no period in time, past, present, or future that will have only love. For out of love, hatred is also produced. Everyone will always have differing opinions. If you love one thing and someone else hates your loved item, you will grow to hate that individual, thus, you have hatred, and are no better than that individual. It will go in circles. Moderation is the key. Being on the extreme side of either spectrum is going to cause tension and turmoil.

I do not see much point in emotions anymore.
 
Originally posted by: Udel


Your belief in egoism, or perhaps ethical egoism, is flawed. Not every human being acts out of self interest. Think of heros, think of people like mother Theresa, soldiers who would take a bullet for their brothers. Egoism is a myth and a flawed philosophical theory. I cannot feed you, I cannot clothe you, but by loving every person, I can empathize with you. I can understand you, and that is the most important thing of all.
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I would contend that even heroes, Mother Theresa, and soldiers who would take a bullet for their brothers are truly indeed acting in what they believe is their own best interest.

"Best interest" is not merely outliving or surviving... it is the pursuit of a thing or value we cherish. For some it might be money, for others power, and for a noble few it might be the pursuit of giving your life to a cause you believe is greater than yourself.

 
Originally posted by: trmiv
The power of love is a curious thing. It will make one man weep, make another man sing. It will change a hawk to a little white dove, more than a feeling that's the power of love.
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:thumbsup:

Little did we know how wise Huey really was....
 
Originally posted by: MathMan
Originally posted by: Udel


Your belief in egoism, or perhaps ethical egoism, is flawed. Not every human being acts out of self interest. Think of heros, think of people like mother Theresa, soldiers who would take a bullet for their brothers. Egoism is a myth and a flawed philosophical theory. I cannot feed you, I cannot clothe you, but by loving every person, I can empathize with you. I can understand you, and that is the most important thing of all.
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I would contend that even heroes, Mother Theresa, and soldiers who would take a bullet for their brothers are truly indeed acting in what they believe is their own best interest.

"Best interest" is not merely outliving or surviving... it is the pursuit of a thing or value we cherish. For some it might be money, for others power, and for a noble few it might be the pursuit of giving your life to a cause you believe is greater than yourself.
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Then, I feel sorry for you. To believe everything we do is governed simply out of self interest, is a depressing thought.
 
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Udel
It seems today the world is in disarray. Conflict, strife, war... you would think by the year 2000 the human race could move beyond this. I'm afraid its all about love, but nobody gets the message. Love yourself, love your very existance, love the universe, love your fellow man, love your "higher power".. you have to let love into evey part of your life. Am I the last person who believes in the power of love as the last hope for humanity? We will all be dead in the ground someday. Nobody knows why we are here, all we know is the power of love.

<- International Relations major, so, although it seems who I am saying is unrealistic, I do know the state of the world. And I worry for it.

/musing
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you realize that part in bold is one of the major reasons we have a lot of this war and strife?
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Hence I refer you to John Lennon's "Imagine."
 
Hm... i dont believe in that kind of love, instead i do believe in "romeo and juliet" kind of love, but maybe thats cuz im unusually romantic, the kind of love where youre ready to die for the other person if needed, for me love is life, life without love isnt, i mean... when youre not in love youre not living at all, youre surviving, totally different... and whats the point of surviving if youre gonna die some day? why should i want to live 100 years of boredom just to be "healthy" and stuff? id much rather live 10 years of true love and die happy
 
you also have to realize this isnt a movie, this is real life..where the good guys dont always win, and love doesnt always conquer all..and most of the time bad stupid sh!t happens
 
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