Does anybody still have a heart?

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Jzero
They didn't knowingly steal jack until the original owner showed up.

Are you gonna leave your car doors unlocked and then when someone steals your car, call people assholes when they tell you that you should have locked your door?

So what you're saying is that you think it's alright for people to steal cars as long as they're unlocked?
Doors locked or unlocked, stealing is wrong. Collar or not, stealing is wrong. Justify your immorality as you will.

The new "owner" committed theft the second he decided not to return the dog. A cruel, heartless, cowardly, bastard-like theft to boot. May his karma repay him 10 times over.

No, it's not alright or moral. But if you would take off your rose-tinted glasses for a moment, you might realize that world is full of thieves, assholes, con artists and criminals. Right or wrong, these people exist. There are simple things you can do to protect yourself from all but the most determined, and if you are too stubborn or stupid to take those steps, I'm holding you to blame alongside the criminal you callously allowed to take advantage of you.

You can't wish away crime. Bad karma is not at the forefront of the average criminal's mind and is not an effective deterrent.

You can wax all you want about morals. I take steps to protect things that are valuable to me, because not everybody shares my morals.

At the end of the day, if the dog had a collar and a tag, when the animal control agent found her, she would have been returned to the rightful owner and this situation would not have occurred. A crime prevented before it could even occur.

 

[TwinkleToes77]

Originally posted by: Staley8

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Jzero
They didn't knowingly steal jack until the original owner showed up.

Are you gonna leave your car doors unlocked and then when someone steals your car, call people assholes when they tell you that you should have locked your door?

So what you're saying is that you think it's alright for people to steal cars as long as they're unlocked?
Doors locked or unlocked, stealing is wrong. Collar or not, stealing is wrong. Justify your immorality as you will.

The new "owner" committed theft the second he decided not to return the dog. A cruel, heartless, cowardly, bastard-like theft to boot. May his karma repay him 10 times over.

Read the article. the new owner didn't steal the dog in any way. This was all done legally. The shelter kept the dog for 5 days then put it up for adoption to the new owner after that. The new owner adopted the dog legally, then the old owner came in after that time. The owner is just like you said, a cruel, heartless, cowardly bastard, but he/she is not a thief.

You should re-read the article too.. it said the old owners came in atleast 3 times during those first 5 days and they didnt see the dog until the 6th day.

Karanastasis, her husband and a friend visited the shelter looking for Bella three times right after the dog's Jan. 2 disappearance, but failed to find her. A fourth trip Jan. 8 proved successful, but Karanastasis learned the dog could not go home with her. Bella was in a cage awaiting spaying.

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: TwinkleToes77

Originally posted by: Staley8

Read the article. the new owner didn't steal the dog in any way. This was all done legally. The shelter kept the dog for 5 days then put it up for adoption to the new owner after that. The new owner adopted the dog legally, then the old owner came in after that time. The owner is just like you said, a cruel, heartless, cowardly bastard, but he/she is not a thief.

You should re-read the article too.. it said the old owners came in atleast 3 times during those first 5 days and they didnt see the dog until the 6th day.

Karanastasis, her husband and a friend visited the shelter looking for Bella three times right after the dog's Jan. 2 disappearance, but failed to find her. A fourth trip Jan. 8 proved successful, but Karanastasis learned the dog could not go home with her. Bella was in a cage awaiting spaying.

Yes I realize that...you are missing the point. The old owner didn't claim the dog until after the 5 day waiting period was up. At that point the dog legally belongs to the shelter who legally let another owner adopt it. The old owner has no claim after that time, it's not the shelter's fault or the new owner's fault that the old owner didn't recognize or claim her own dog in time. I think it's a crappy thing for the new owner to do (if you read my previous post) but it's not stealing and you can't claim that it is.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Staley8
Read the article. the new owner didn't steal the dog in any way. This was all done legally. The shelter kept the dog for 5 days then put it up for adoption to the new owner after that. The new owner adopted the dog legally, then the old owner came in after that time. The owner is just like you said, a cruel, heartless, cowardly bastard, but he/she is not a thief.

Just because it's legal don't make it right, and doesn't stop it from being theft. Only a person who is entirely without morals believes that law = morality. May as well say that might makes right.

What's worse is when you read how the original owner pledged to compensate the person for the cost of a new dog, and still the person declined. To me, that is fscked up beyond all imagining.

And don't believe the bullsh!t about tags and chips. It was recently disclosed that the county animal shelter where I live destroys all cats within 24 hours of receiving them whether they have tags/chips or not. It came to light after an owner got a call about her missing cat from the shelter AFTER her tagged cat had already been destroyed.
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[TwinkleToes77]

Originally posted by: Staley8

Originally posted by: TwinkleToes77

Originally posted by: Staley8

Read the article. the new owner didn't steal the dog in any way. This was all done legally. The shelter kept the dog for 5 days then put it up for adoption to the new owner after that. The new owner adopted the dog legally, then the old owner came in after that time. The owner is just like you said, a cruel, heartless, cowardly bastard, but he/she is not a thief.

You should re-read the article too.. it said the old owners came in atleast 3 times during those first 5 days and they didnt see the dog until the 6th day.

Karanastasis, her husband and a friend visited the shelter looking for Bella three times right after the dog's Jan. 2 disappearance, but failed to find her. A fourth trip Jan. 8 proved successful, but Karanastasis learned the dog could not go home with her. Bella was in a cage awaiting spaying.

Yes I realize that...you are missing the point. The old owner didn't claim the dog until after the 5 day waiting period was up. At that point the dog legally belongs to the shelter who legally let another owner adopt it. The old owner has no claim after that time, it's not the shelter's fault or the new owner's fault that the old owner didn't recognize or claim her own dog in time. I think it's a crappy thing for the new owner to do (if you read my previous post) but it's not stealing and you can't claim that it is.

No, I don't think I'm missing the point. I tend to agree that if they never went there looking for the dog during that 5 day period then fine.. thats their own fault.. BUT they were there. 3 of those 5 days.. and they didnt see their dog. but yet on the 6th day they did? It's not like the humane society didnt know they were looking. I mean they came in 4 times total. Where was the dog those other 3 times? I find it hard to believe she didnt recognize her own dog on the other trips.

And the new owner is a downright witch. I hope the dog runs away and the same thing happens to her.

 

[jamesave]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Jzero
They didn't knowingly steal jack until the original owner showed up.

Are you gonna leave your car doors unlocked and then when someone steals your car, call people assholes when they tell you that you should have locked your door?

So what you're saying is that you think it's alright for people to steal cars as long as they're unlocked?
Doors locked or unlocked, stealing is wrong. Collar or not, stealing is wrong. Justify your immorality as you will.

The new "owner" committed theft the second he decided not to return the dog. A cruel, heartless, cowardly, bastard-like theft to boot. May his karma repay him 10 times over.

Ditto.

 

[Jzero]

BTW....City Code requires a dog to wear a license tag.

Our upstanding "victim" is a scofflaw in her own right. She might have considered that there was a reason for this law. Sorry, but I have a tough time feeling sorry for people who don't take the most basic precautions to protect their possessions/loved ones.