Does AMD have any hope against Intel?

[Kalessian]

Some exaggeration for dramatic effect but true story. If you only used AMD CPUs all your life, then changed to Intel, you'd understand what I mean by "finally seeing the light".



Well if they had some bad ones, it seems I've never used one of them. Ever since my discovery of the sorcery we call Intel, I've always researched, read lots of reviews before purchasing anything, so it's unlikely I'll ever buy something bad from any manufacturer again.

Someone probably posted the same exact thing with the companies reversed in 2005. "Oh I was Intel fanboy then tried the Athlon64 X2 and now I hate Intel, blah blah blah"

 

[crashtech]

First, the verbage you're using sounds full blown troll to me.

But if you were indeed serious, you really have no clue if you think everything is slower on an FX-8150 compared to an i5 760. The FX mops the floor in pretty much every task you can throw at it compared to the ancient i5 760. This is just nonsense ranting at it worst with no basis in reality. Its like comparing an Atom to an i7.

Synthetic Passmark Benchmarks:
i5 760 = 3925
FX 8150 = 7695

The 8150 also wins in the ST category over the 760, (mostly due to clockspeed differential) so yeah, OP is engaging in the kind of misinformed hyperbole that we need less of here, not more.

 

[Thala]

No, Windows RT is a custom operating system that has more in common with Windows phone 8 that Microsofts x87 Windows 8. It had a custom skin on it that emulates what "full" Windows looks like

Lol, sorry dude. Not sure where you have your info from but Windows RT is pretty much Windows compiled for ARM. It is all there, from services over libraries*, dlls, drivers, kernel-components, APIs up to the bugs. I am not talking about a skin of some sorts but about the internals.

Windows Phone is a completely different development line and has nothing much in common with Windows aside from a few kernel services, which you don't have access to with Windows Phone anyway as developer.

*there are a few legacy components missing like DirectX 8 and earlier...

 

[Paul98]

Someone probably posted the same exact thing with the companies reversed in 2005. "Oh I was Intel fanboy then tried the Athlon64 X2 and now I hate Intel, blah blah blah"

Agreed, had he been comparing intel and amd at the same time when he had been buying AMD he would have found that they are just fine and many times better than intel.

 

[Ryanrenesis]

The 8150 also wins in the ST category over the 760, (mostly due to clockspeed differential) so yeah, OP is engaging in the kind of misinformed hyperbole that we need less of here, not more.

My i5-760 was clocked at 4Ghz while I overclocked my 8150 to 4.4Ghz and my i5-760 was DEFINITELY faster in EVERY aspect: gaming AND daily usage, app opening, etc.

What really disgruntled me was the micro-stutters I would get in games with the 8150. It was terrible... just down-right criminal to sell such a processor geared for gamers when it CAN'T EVEN GAME PROPERLY!

 

[Revolution 11]

Lol at Ryanrenesis, being a anti-fan fanboy is just as bad as being a regular fanboy. Why let irrational emotions block an otherwise rational purchasing decision?

 

[Ryanrenesis]

Lol at Ryanrenesis, being a anti-fan fanboy is just as bad as being a regular fanboy. Why let irrational emotions block an otherwise rational purchasing decision?

It was not really rational at all. I wanted the next fastest CPU, I got AMD's top of the line CPU back then, thinking it would just crush the i5 like its a fly, after all it DID have double the cores and higher frequency, which I soon found out to be a marketing sham that banks on consumers who don't do research. And when it involves a thousand dollars you saved up all your life, basically your life-savings as a teenager. And you buy something that is geared towards you, especially when you are a fan boy of them. And the product doesn't deliver at all, you feel utterly betrayed and devastated.

It still hurts me enough to this day that I refuse to purchase anything or support any company that has to do with AMD. No GPUs, no CPUs, in fact, I refused to go to University of Toronto, and instead went to Queen's as UofT's library had computers with AMD CPUs.

Yes, my vendetta with AMD is THAT bad.

I just want to see them burn in hellfire. Is that really too much to ask?

 

[Erenhardt]

It still hurts me enough to this day that I refuse to purchase anything or support any company that has to do with AMD. No GPUs, no CPUs, in fact, I refused to go to University of Toronto, and instead went to Queen's as UofT's library had computers with AMD CPUs.

Yes, my vendetta with AMD is THAT bad.

From top of my head... You CPU cooler is compatible with amd sockets...
Someone forgot to take pills today?

 

[Ryanrenesis]

From top of my head... You CPU cooler is compatible with amd sockets...
Someone forgot to take pills today?

That's acceptable in my books. But yes, thanks for reminding me, I need to take my Abilify and calm down...

All this talk about AMD has got me emotional... sorry.

 

[DrMrLordX]

OMG. I can't believe Anand just replied to my thread. *faints*

P.S. Sign my mousepad please?

That isn't Anand Lal Shimpi. I don't think he has ever posted here. Certainly not in the CPU forum.

It was not really rational at all. I wanted the next fastest CPU, I got AMD's top of the line CPU back then, thinking it would just crush the i5 like its a fly *snip*

Congratulations, you bought what is arguably AMD's biggest flop of a CPU update. If you had purchased an 1100T instead you probably would have been much happier. But hey, hindsight is 20/20.

Yes, my vendetta with AMD is THAT bad.

Oh come off it. If you've been in the game long enough to have owned a k7, then you've had the opportunity to use some exceptional AMD CPUs such as the 1.4 ghz Tbird, the A-XP2500M, and a whole slew of k8s that gave their Intel competition hell in price/perf and perf/watt.

Yeah AMD fell off the wagon. Go buy some Intel CPUs. Wait, you did, good on you. Hopefully you did what was rational back in the day and returned your 8150 box assuming you bought from a shop that had a return policy. Instead of, you know, just wanting to smash something.

I just want to see them burn in hellfire. Is that really too much to ask?

Yes. Yes it is. We don't need that kind of posting here, sorry.

 

[Ranulf]

I'm telling you that benchmark scores does NOT translate to anything in reality.

Daily usage, browsing, and opening up applications = slower than my i5
Games = much worse, even stutters and just ridiculous frame dips than my i5

It was so bad I wanted to take a sledgehammer and smash it to pieces, video record it and send it to AMD to show them how upset I was. I ended up passing it to my mom in the end and taking back my i5-760 which I continued using until literally 2 days ago when I built my new system in my sig.

Pentium....4. That is all.


/they see me trollin...


Whenever I hear/read about "you could upgrade the chip a year later" in relation to intel, I think about the numbers 423 and 478.

 

[SlowSpyder]

My i5-760 was clocked at 4Ghz while I overclocked my 8150 to 4.4Ghz and my i5-760 was DEFINITELY faster in EVERY aspect: gaming AND daily usage, app opening, etc.

What really disgruntled me was the micro-stutters I would get in games with the 8150. It was terrible... just down-right criminal to sell such a processor geared for gamers when it CAN'T EVEN GAME PROPERLY!

Enough knowledge to overclock your CPU's, but not know how to look at benchmarks and decide if an FX 8150 was worth going to over your 4GHz i5. Sounds legit.

 

[witeken]

Enough knowledge to overclock your CPU's, but not know how to look at benchmarks and decide if an FX 8150 was worth going to over your 4GHz i5. Sounds legit.

People often are irrational, probably more often than not, so it's reasonable.

 

[cytg111]

It is a mind-blowing 11 billion dollars...

And 10 of them is spend on reversing the alien technology they licensed from the goverment *cough*Area 51*cough*.

Well, I speculate that it is quite expensive being the frontrunner in this game, Intel sort of paves the way for the industry at large and to be where they are they have to invest large amounts of dollar bills on applied research, buy, bribe and compel universities to produce the science that is needed to take the next step and the next and the next. Applied research is slow, expensive and has no gurantee of success whatsoever.
It is my understanding that Intel is footing this bill on its own.
I am sure Intel will patent what it can but either way you cut it, it easier to "workaround" some patents to get from A to B rather that finding where the hell B is on the map to begin with.
On the other end of the scale we see all sorts of licensing agreements between glofo, samsung and all the other players so a simple budget vs budget may not scale 1:1.

 

[cytg111]

The more interesting question is, why Microsoft still has the signature enforcement for desktop programs in place for Windows RT.

- That is an AMAZINGLY good question .. goddamnit i got the surface2, i knew it was locked down but also knew it was easily jailbroken but after 8.1 it is game over. Who the beep do they think they are? Apple? jeeebus

 

[witeken]

And 10 of them is spend on reversing the alien technology they licensed from the goverment *cough*Area 51*cough*.

Well, I speculate that it is quite expensive being the frontrunner in this game, Intel sort of paves the way for the industry at large and to be where they are they have to invest large amounts of dollar bills on applied research, buy, bribe and compel universities to produce the science that is needed to take the next step and the next and the next. Applied research is slow, expensive and has no gurantee of success whatsoever.
It is my understanding that Intel is footing this bill on its own.
I am sure Intel will patent what it can but either way you cut it, it easier to "workaround" some patents to get from A to B rather that finding where the hell B is on the map to begin with.
On the other end of the scale we see all sorts of licensing agreements between glofo, samsung and all the other players so a simple budget vs budget may not scale 1:1.

Time for some quantitative numbers:

 

[AtenRa]

I will tell you this,

If AMD doesnt have an advantage in 2016 and onwards, they will never will.

ps: Im talking about APUs, both desktop and notebooks.

 

[Qwertilot]

Well RT was designed back in their not listening to anyone phase Given the recent outbreaks of seeming sanity, it could be interesting to see what they'd do if they did a RT2, but no real signs of that?

The threat is there though, and you do have to imagine that Intel would rather have a weakish AMD to compete with than the potential shark pool of Mediatek and friends.
(Can't see them being allowed a pure monopoly.).

 

[Fjodor2001]

Does AMD have any hope against Intel?

What would anyone respond to that question some years before AMD introduced Athlon 64 in 2003?

-No way in hell!

Look how it turned out in reality...

 

[ShintaiDK]

Well RT was designed back in their not listening to anyone phase Given the recent outbreaks of seeming sanity, it could be interesting to see what they'd do if they did a RT2, but no real signs of that?

RT is dead, forever

 

[el etro]

Some exaggeration for dramatic effect but true story. If you only used AMD CPUs all your life, then changed to Intel, you'd understand what I mean by "finally seeing the light".

You would saw the dark if you have gone for a AtlhonXP for a Prescott Pentium 4...

BTW you have bought the worst processor AMD had ever made... It's bad.

 

[Phynaz]

First, the verbage you're using sounds full blown troll to me.

But if you were indeed serious, you really have no clue if you think everything is slower on an FX-8150 compared to an i5 760. The FX mops the floor in pretty much every task you can throw at it compared to the ancient i5 760. This is just nonsense ranting at it worst with no basis in reality. Its like comparing an Atom to an i7.

Synthetic Passmark Benchmarks:
i5 760 = 3925
FX 8150 = 7695

How about we leave the synthetics behind and test real applications?
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/434?vs=191

 

[Yuriman]

This is why you don't form emotional attachments to corporations whose goal is to take as much of your money as they can.

Hint: both AMD and Intel

 

[AtenRa]

How about we leave the synthetics behind and test real applications?
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/434?vs=191

You just proved his point.

 

[cytg111]

RT is dead, forever

http://www.winrtsource.com/2014/10/02/windows-10-rt-confirmed-preview-coming-2015/