Dodd backs marriage equality

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Paddington

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
And yet Obama continues to be a BIGOT :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

That's why the Germans like him so much. They call him, "Der Schwarze Hitler". :beer:

Classic!

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
And yet Obama continues to be a BIGOT :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

so you're saying he's got your vote?

OMG thats so funny. Care to defend Obama's bigoted and hateful position toward gays?

You mean the one he doesn't have?

Exactly. And more Faux Outrage from FNE.

and yet the truth to what he says makes it that much funnier.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: loki8481
all the kings letters and all the kings words don't mean shit unless he's actually going to do something about it.

wake me up when someone in congress does something to start the repeal of DOMA.

This is the correct response.

keep watching: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...tes-to-white-house/?hp

This is a group of people not well pleased with him at the moment. Let's see if anything happens here. At the very least they're gonna ask him, "wtf dude?"

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: jonks
Dodd provides a good rhetorical model for others looking to plausibly shift, and manages not to call anyone a bigot.

Yes, his model for shifting his beliefs is that he is getting shellacked in the polls, and will quite possibly be out of office in 2010. He is desperately grasping for straws to save his hide.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

OMG thats so funny. Care to defend Obama's bigoted and hateful position toward gays?

You mean the one he doesn't have?

well, let's see... his own justice department launched a defense of DOMA that invoked incest, he believes marriage is between a man and a woman, and despite his words in the campaign, he's taken no steps on two major major issues that he said he would (DOMA and DADT... in fact, he still persists in persecuting gays in the military when it would be easily within his power to stop it even without formally striking down DA/DT).

bigoted and hateful might be a bit harsh, but he's a far, far cry from the "fierce advocate" he promised to me.

Do you agree that these are difficult political issues? Do you think that if Obama gets too far out in front of the American people who are evolving in what you might call a positive direction on this that he runs the chance of losing more votes than he might gain? Are you a purist, or will you accept incremental change that works over change that creates a retrograde backlash, or do you not care if such a thing might happen? Do you believe, as Obama seems to, that politics is the art of the possible, and that the best way to go is to move the ball down the field in a steady effort than miss on a Hail Marry? Where would you put gay rights in the broad scope of challenges facing the nation and what percent of Obama's capital as President should he spend on that single issue? How does one rationally balance pragmatism with idealism?

A starving man thinks only of food, but a man without deep personal needs can think about how to change the world.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: jonks
Dodd provides a good rhetorical model for others looking to plausibly shift, and manages not to call anyone a bigot.

Yes, his model for shifting his beliefs is that he is getting shellacked in the polls, and will quite possibly be out of office in 2010. He is desperately grasping for straws to save his hide.

I see what you did. You are trying to promulgate a lie.

You know perfectly well what he said in regards to his kids>

'And I want them to know that, even if he was a little late, their dad came down on the right side of history.'

You aren't very smart if you don't think people can read and you can make up lies like that and not think people will see. You're clearly an evil person. I can see right through your deceptive ass.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: loki8481
all the kings letters and all the kings words don't mean shit unless he's actually going to do something about it.

wake me up when someone in congress does something to start the repeal of DOMA.

This is the correct response.

keep watching: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...tes-to-white-house/?hp

This is a group of people not well pleased with him at the moment. Let's see if anything happens here. At the very least they're gonna ask him, "wtf dude?"

If he's not there to announce some signifigant initiative I sure wouldn't want to be him in that room.

 

[EXman]

Dodd Supports Dodd and anything that might get him re-relcted.

/thread

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: jonks
Dodd provides a good rhetorical model for others looking to plausibly shift, and manages not to call anyone a bigot.

Yes, his model for shifting his beliefs is that he is getting shellacked in the polls, and will quite possibly be out of office in 2010. He is desperately grasping for straws to save his hide.

/snip typical leftist sensationalist junk

/yawn

Dodd?s approval rating sinks

Continuing what has been an unprecedented decline in his popularity, Sen. Chris Dodd?s numbers sank to never-before-seen lows in a poll released by Quinnipiac University on Thursday. The poll showed only 33 percent of the state approved of Dodd?s job performance, the lowest on record for the five-term incumbent.

?A 33-percent job approval is unheard of for a 30-year incumbent, especially a Democrat in a blue state,? Quinnipiac University Polling Institute Director Douglas Schwartz said. ?Sen. Christopher Dodd?s numbers among Democrats are especially devastating.?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: jonks
Dodd provides a good rhetorical model for others looking to plausibly shift, and manages not to call anyone a bigot.

Yes, his model for shifting his beliefs is that he is getting shellacked in the polls, and will quite possibly be out of office in 2010. He is desperately grasping for straws to save his hide.

/snip typical leftist sensationalist junk

/yawn

Dodd?s approval rating sinks

Continuing what has been an unprecedented decline in his popularity, Sen. Chris Dodd?s numbers sank to never-before-seen lows in a poll released by Quinnipiac University on Thursday. The poll showed only 33 percent of the state approved of Dodd?s job performance, the lowest on record for the five-term incumbent.

?A 33-percent job approval is unheard of for a 30-year incumbent, especially a Democrat in a blue state,? Quinnipiac University Polling Institute Director Douglas Schwartz said. ?Sen. Christopher Dodd?s numbers among Democrats are especially devastating.?

A nice desperate attempt to save your lying ass but it won't work because I exposed you for the liar you are. You're like a piece of glass and I see right through you. I don't know who you scumbags think you're kidding, you two bit fraud.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Mani

I think there's just a subset of people currently in society who have a seriously fucked up obsession with the guy. I work with a few of these people, and they will use any excuse to bring him up and start bitching about him in unrelated daily conversation. Naturally these people are socially inept and it usually ends up in awkward silences and raised eyebrows, even when among other republicans. I just don't think these people have gotten over the fact that a black guy named Barack Obama is their president and their hatred has turned into an obsession. It's pretty sad really.

Change republican to democrat, black to white, and Barack Obama to George Bush, and you'd have still a true statement.

Except that ODS has made BDS look innocuous by comparison. The current obsession is at a completely different level.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Mani

Except that ODS has made BDS look innocuous by comparison. The current obsession is at a completely different level.

no, no way... not even close.

maybe I'm isolated because I live on a republican island surrounded by democrats, but even on the forums I don't think any of the conservative members reach Harvey-level in terms of his BDS.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Mani

Except that ODS has made BDS look innocuous by comparison. The current obsession is at a completely different level.

no, no way... not even close.

maybe I'm isolated because I live on a republican island surrounded by democrats, but even on the forums I don't think any of the conservative members reach Harvey-level in terms of his BDS.

I live on the outskirts of Austin. You can literally draw a line between the extremely liberal part of Austin and it's extremely red surroundings. I interact with a pretty good mix of both, and I've heard more whining about Obama at totally inappropriate places from random people (work, supermarket, bank, airport, etc.) in the last 4 months than I did in 8 years of Bush.

edit: and we've had several in the ODS club here - I think FNE chairs it.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Mani

I think there's just a subset of people currently in society who have a seriously fucked up obsession with the guy. I work with a few of these people, and they will use any excuse to bring him up and start bitching about him in unrelated daily conversation. Naturally these people are socially inept and it usually ends up in awkward silences and raised eyebrows, even when among other republicans. I just don't think these people have gotten over the fact that a black guy named Barack Obama is their president and their hatred has turned into an obsession. It's pretty sad really.

Change republican to democrat, black to white, and Barack Obama to George Bush, and you'd have still a true statement.

Except that ODS has made BDS look innocuous by comparison. The current obsession is at a completely different level.

Not even close. Everything wrong in the world was attributed to Bush. The level of ODS hasnt reached even a fraction of BDS on this board. I suspect it never will due to the overall left of center tilt of the board.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Mani

I think there's just a subset of people currently in society who have a seriously fucked up obsession with the guy. I work with a few of these people, and they will use any excuse to bring him up and start bitching about him in unrelated daily conversation. Naturally these people are socially inept and it usually ends up in awkward silences and raised eyebrows, even when among other republicans. I just don't think these people have gotten over the fact that a black guy named Barack Obama is their president and their hatred has turned into an obsession. It's pretty sad really.

Change republican to democrat, black to white, and Barack Obama to George Bush, and you'd have still a true statement.

Except that ODS has made BDS look innocuous by comparison. The current obsession is at a completely different level.

Everything wrong in the world was attributed to Bush.

This is exactly what has happened here since Obama's election, except with even greater frequency, and if you haven't noticed you haven't been paying attention.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Mani

I think there's just a subset of people currently in society who have a seriously fucked up obsession with the guy. I work with a few of these people, and they will use any excuse to bring him up and start bitching about him in unrelated daily conversation. Naturally these people are socially inept and it usually ends up in awkward silences and raised eyebrows, even when among other republicans. I just don't think these people have gotten over the fact that a black guy named Barack Obama is their president and their hatred has turned into an obsession. It's pretty sad really.

Change republican to democrat, black to white, and Barack Obama to George Bush, and you'd have still a true statement.

Except that ODS has made BDS look innocuous by comparison. The current obsession is at a completely different level.

Everything wrong in the world was attributed to Bush.

This is exactly what has happened here since Obama's election, except with even greater frequency, and if you haven't noticed you haven't been paying attention.

People say they will believe it when they see it, but actually, they only see what they already believe.

 

[nageov3t]

to get back to the original quote that spawned this whole ODS tangent, it's not like FNE was making something up. his language might have been incendiary, but there's a pretty decent sized contingent amongst gays feeling betrayed by the DNC and will probably stay home rather than bother taking a second chance on hope if the DNC sits on their hands for the next 3 years because the time isn't politically right for civil rights.

I'd compare that against BDS, where pretty much anything and everything that went wrong in the world was somehow tied back to being Bush's fault.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: loki8481
to get back to the original quote that spawned this whole ODS tangent, it's not like FNE was making something up. his language might have been incendiary, but there's a pretty decent sized contingent amongst gays feeling betrayed by the DNC and will probably stay home rather than bother taking a second chance on hope if the DNC sits on their hands for the next 3 years because the time isn't politically right for civil rights.

I'd compare that against BDS, where pretty much anything and everything that went wrong in the world was somehow tied back to being Bush's fault.

I suspect you'll see movement on the gay rights front from Obama within his term. If not, he will deserve to lose the gay vote.

And once again - ODS has been no less prevalent, which is even more ridiculous given that he's only been in office for 5 months.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: loki8481
to get back to the original quote that spawned this whole ODS tangent, it's not like FNE was making something up. his language might have been incendiary, but there's a pretty decent sized contingent amongst gays feeling betrayed by the DNC and will probably stay home rather than bother taking a second chance on hope if the DNC sits on their hands for the next 3 years because the time isn't politically right for civil rights.

I'd compare that against BDS, where pretty much anything and everything that went wrong in the world was somehow tied back to being Bush's fault.

I suspect you'll see movement on the gay rights front from Obama within his term. If not, he will deserve to lose the gay vote.

And once again - ODS has been no less prevalent, which is even more ridiculous given that he's only been in office for 5 months.

And in 2 years we will hear 'He's only been in office 24 months'.. in 4 years we will hear he needs another term to really be effective. If the manages to win another term we will hear that he's just getting started. And after 8 years we will all be going WTF.. why are we bankrupt?

At what point will Obama start taking responsibility for anything?

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: loki8481
to get back to the original quote that spawned this whole ODS tangent, it's not like FNE was making something up. his language might have been incendiary, but there's a pretty decent sized contingent amongst gays feeling betrayed by the DNC and will probably stay home rather than bother taking a second chance on hope if the DNC sits on their hands for the next 3 years because the time isn't politically right for civil rights.

I'd compare that against BDS, where pretty much anything and everything that went wrong in the world was somehow tied back to being Bush's fault.

I suspect you'll see movement on the gay rights front from Obama within his term. If not, he will deserve to lose the gay vote.

And once again - ODS has been no less prevalent, which is even more ridiculous given that he's only been in office for 5 months.

And in 2 years we will hear 'He's only been in office 24 months'.. in 4 years we will hear he needs another term to really be effective. If the manages to win another term we will hear that he's just getting started. And after 8 years we will all be going WTF.. why are we bankrupt?

At what point will Obama start taking responsibility for anything?

Thanks for proving my point.

And Obama is already taking responsibility (or I should say blame) from you clowns on the right for everything including now the bloodshed in Iran.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: loki8481
to get back to the original quote that spawned this whole ODS tangent, it's not like FNE was making something up. his language might have been incendiary, but there's a pretty decent sized contingent amongst gays feeling betrayed by the DNC and will probably stay home rather than bother taking a second chance on hope if the DNC sits on their hands for the next 3 years because the time isn't politically right for civil rights.

I'd compare that against BDS, where pretty much anything and everything that went wrong in the world was somehow tied back to being Bush's fault.

I suspect you'll see movement on the gay rights front from Obama within his term. If not, he will deserve to lose the gay vote.

And once again - ODS has been no less prevalent, which is even more ridiculous given that he's only been in office for 5 months.

And in 2 years we will hear 'He's only been in office 24 months'.. in 4 years we will hear he needs another term to really be effective. If the manages to win another term we will hear that he's just getting started. And after 8 years we will all be going WTF.. why are we bankrupt?

At what point will Obama start taking responsibility for anything?

Erm, the GLBT community is already running out of patience. If Obama doesn't move on his promises in his first term they will not be vocal in support for his second term. Not that they'll endorse the Republican, but they won't be campaigning or donating to him much, and he'll have sullied his image with sympathisers like myself. As I said, I'm willing to wait more than 5 months on this issue. Of course Obama will be held responsible for his administration. But as recent polls show, the overwhelming majority do not hold him at fault yet for pretty much anything since he's been in office for less than half a year. We know you're chomping at the bit, but you're still premature.