DoD screwed up, AN/UDR-13 radiation detector units dumped on ebay. Review of unit.

Hugo Drax

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I bought on Ebay a new old stock Canberra Radiac AN/UDR-13. The DoD screwed up on the initial testing, It looks like these units are not accurate for dose recording if you are within 2 kilometers of a nuclear explosion. :)


They used to cost over 700 dollars new but now they can be had for 180-220 dollars new. The DoD decided to buy a slightly upgraded model that would work more reliably if you are within 2KM from a nuclear blast. :D:

DoD notification.
http://jacks.jpeocbd.army.mil/Public/FactSheetProvider.ashx?productId=389

Their loss is my gain :D:

Okay The Unit arrived in its box, manuals etc.. a nice pouch that is MOLLE compatible and you can hang it on your belt.

The unit comes from factory set to some insane radiation levels (nuclear war levels) I reconfigured it down a notch to civilian risk levels.

I set the rate alarm to .001 centigrey/hr (which is 100 uR/hr)


On power on the unit goes through an internal self test to confirm operation, then it shows you either dose or rate.

I check with my Cs-137 1 curie check source and confirm it reads .002 centigrey/hr which means its good. (200uR/hr)

The units were built in 2006, calibrated in 2009 and cal expiration at 2012. But I checked with my source and it looks good.

These unit also have a neutron detector, Typically Neutron radiation will only occur during a fission/fusion event or if your near a particle accelerator. ie: Nuclear power plant explodes etc..

The unit has heft and looks solidly built. They come with a nice case, a laminated quick reference card in the unit a battery installation sheet and a nice manual.

Bettery life is minimum 150hours (continual measurement mode) of continual operation. That is 6.25 days of 24/7 use.

Sleep mode, unit battery will last 2000 hours (83 days) sleep mode means every 5 minutes it wakes up and displays reading and would alert if thresholds are met, It will automatically wake up at any moment if a neutron event is detected (ie nuke plant explodes etc..)

Sleep mode would be the normal civilian non-event mode for every day monitoring, think of it like a smoke alarm at this point.

I will be testing with rechargeable batteries.

Now unlike the NukAlert keychain which only clicks if radiation reaches 100,000 uR/hr this AN/UDR-13 can be set to alarm at 100 uR/hr The NukAlert is notorious for false alarms etc..

Also there are no false alerts. The unit will never alarm unless a true event occurs and it reads 100 uR/hr (when set to that threshold)


The NukeAlert is much smaller obviously and fits on a keychain, but I would feel more confident carrying this since it is significantly more sensitive. And remember 5000 uR/hr is considered a radiological risk for non radiation workers.

I want to add, the unit has an energy compensated detector. Which provides an accurate flatter response. A source that detectors over-respond to in terms of readings (non compensated GM tubes, NaI detectors I tested both with UDR-13 as reference) (due to lower 200kev field) this provides the correct reading. Remember you dont want chicken little false alarms, only a true alarm for a real event.

Spec sheet.
http://www.tradewaysusa.com/Catalog...cation/Nuclear/ANUDR-13 Pocket Radiac Set.pdf
 
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Ruptga

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So one day you're just doing your thing when that goes off, then what, duck and cover?
 

Hugo Drax

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So one day you're just doing your thing when that goes off, then what, duck and cover?

It would alert on an incident such as this as well which would give you the opportunity to leave the vicinity. What is messed up is people in the neighborhood who had nothing to do with the folks involved got irradiated as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goiânia_accident



Also Its a cool piece of kit, neat gadget to have.
 

Jaepheth

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Can you set the display to bright green/dark green, and does it come with a wrist attachment strap?

Will it also keep track of your open quests and inventory?
 

Ruptga

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It would alert on an incident such as this as well which would give you the opportunity to leave the vicinity. What is messed up is people in the neighborhood who had nothing to do with the folks involved got irradiated as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goiânia_accident



Also Its a cool piece of kit, neat gadget to have.

That happened in a Brazilian slum in the 80s. Where do you live, again? ;)

It is interesting I guess, not my thing but I can see the appeal.
 

LTC8K6

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I calibrated dosimeters and detectors while in the Army, including the PDR-75 mentioned in the pdf file. Interesting story.
 

twinrider1

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And how much of your current life are you spending to ensure your post-irradiation life?
 

pontifex

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I don't know anything about radiation, but you said you checked it when you got it and it showed .002 centigrey/hr (which is 200 uR/hr). you set the alarm to go off at .001 centigrey/hr (which is 100 uR/hr).

so is the alarm constantly going off? isn't .002 centigrey/hr (200 uR/hr) more than .001 centigrey/hr (100 uR/hr)?
 

Hugo Drax

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I don't know anything about radiation, but you said you checked it when you got it and it showed .002 centigrey/hr (which is 200 uR/hr). you set the alarm to go off at .001 centigrey/hr (which is 100 uR/hr).

so is the alarm constantly going off? isn't .002 centigrey/hr (200 uR/hr) more than .001 centigrey/hr (100 uR/hr)?

Normal gamma background is typically between 3 and 9 uR/hr when measured with a gamma survey meter.

Burst neutron radiation is emitted when a criticality event occurs.

It is set for .001 but it triggers instantly it crosses the .001 threshold. You want it to alarm at any point at or over .001

And the alarm is loud, also a light goes off and it is a constant alarm.

It's a pretty cool gadget.

Also in Texas 2 years ago a lost source that was dismantled irradiated a bunch of people without their knowledge. You would be surprised how often this happens, it's all on the NRC events website.

You never know when a terrorist might decide to hide a stolen source in a big city one day in order to irradiate and make sick as many people as possible. Simple and effective.

There are some real high sources that generate large gamma fields that can easily be stolen and used as an improvised weapon.
 
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twinrider1

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Ha, jokes on you. I don't have smoke alarms......oh wait.

I'm all for being prepared, but for the events that have a reasonable chance of happening. And if it's just to have a cool gadget, that's fine too.
I just hope you aren't featured on the next episode of Preppers.
 

Hugo Drax

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phucheneh

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So these things were introduced in 2006...military tech, man...must be cutting edge.

Here's the GPS I was using in 2004...

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DigDog

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i admit i dont english particularly well, but the topic title seemed to mean NUCLEARE WEAPONS BEING SOLD ON EBAY.

correct me if i am wrong.
"nuclear bomb units dumped on ebay. Review of unit."
 

notposting

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From that link in the OP, it sounds like an unreliable piece of crap though. False positives, false negatives, gets screwed up when actually exposed to radiation...
 

Hugo Drax

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From that link in the OP, it sounds like an unreliable piece of crap though. False positives, false negatives, gets screwed up when actually exposed to radiation...

If your within 2000 meters of a nuclear blast. At that point I seriously doubt you need this device to know that.

When they tested initially, they did not test at an equivalent to within a 2km sphere of a nuclear blast. And if that is the case, then Dose rate is the only reliable reading, not total dose.

If you want to see a real piece of crap, look at those 150 dollar nukalert keychains.
 

Red Squirrel

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I could use one of those. I tend to gauge radiation exposure by how hot my skin feels when working on the reactor I made, but getting an actual count would be more accurate.

Off topic, but why is it so hard to buy smoke detectors in bulk?