Doctors Want Nothing To Do With Medicare

[OutHouse]

all i can say is thank god for medicare and AARP insurance. the first set of bills from my moms hospital stay before she passed way just came in and i dont know how they would be paid if medicare and aarp didnt take care of nearly most of the total bill.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
We need solutions and I would love to see the republicans come up with 1 just 1 solution that considers healthcare a right, that is key. Healthcare is a right. If you don't believe this then people will be diatomicly opposed just like abortion.

First idea: make becoming a doctor easier. Many countries have lower barriers to entry to become a doctor and have no issues with quality that these doctors produce. Since the USA has one of the highest barriers to become a doctor, many assume we have the best doctors in the world. This is not the case.

Health care is not a right. If you believe its a right, then you must believe that its okay to force doctors to work whenever the public demands it. With the artificial low number of doctors, to cover everyone, the public must force the limit number of doctors to care for a lot of people.

Bottom line solution: More hospitals, more medical programs, more doctors, residency programs, etc. With more supply of learning facilities, becoming a doctor will be easier. however, AMA, don't like this and they have a big lobbying group.

its not a right granted in the constitution but it is a basic human right. nobody in our country should have to make a choice between seeing a doc or putting food on the table. Nobody should spend a week in the hospital and it cost 5 years or more of their salary. thats total bullshit. when you are facing one serious illness and you dont have health insurance you are bankrupt period end of story. and that is wrong.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I think you kind of missed the point, winnar. This isn't about efficiency at all. It is about doctors opting-out because they want more $$. Billing medicare directly for a specific type of visit/procedure isn't any more cumbersome than dealing with a private insurance company. If anything, it is more straightforward.

Not according to them:

The doctors? reasons: reimbursement rates are too low and paperwork too much of a hassle.


Not surprising, of course. One of my Dermatologist friends was talking about how he was compensated a whopping $.50 by Medicare for administering injections, so he dumped those patients altogether.

Well lets see, an injection takes 15 seconds, another 20 or so for the patient to leave the room and another enter... So that comes to what, $28 an hour?

Oh wait, he also nailed them on the way in for just showing up, must be awful to be a doctor.

Who the hell does your injections in 15 seconds? A heroin junkie needing a fix?

depends on injection. if a vein is needed, it takes a little longer. if it's just into muscle, all they do is wipe, prep needle, and inject. I've had shots that take less than ten seconds if the syringe is pre-loaded. And with some meds, they are.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: senseamp
since our own medical education establishment is more interested in maintaining a doctor shortage to keep member pay high.

If anything I'd think the medicine profession is one of the few ones out there that actually deserve to get paid well. Do you even know the crap most med students have to go through?

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I for one am a proponent of minting more doctors in the US here each year, as we seem to have a bit of an artificial shortage.

What is your profession?

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

That's your perspective, and that's fine. Explain to those who I've already mentioned that they are overpaid, and see how that goes. Lower the standards, open the doors and drop their pay and see who comes running. You expect the health care workers to suck up the loss and then tell them they were getting paid too much to begin with. I'm not trying to be rude, but you haven't the least idea about who we are. We make life and death decisions every day and what we hear is that we aren't worth it. Maybe that's not what you intend to say, but there's no real difference. Now bring out charts and graphs of Belgium or whatever and try to explain why we make too much, and we'll look at you and wonder what you would be paid if you were outsourced. We're assets, yet to hear some people you'd think we were liabilities.

I have family and friends who work in the healthcare industry and I know the crap they have to go through. Many people who haven't had to work hard in school would rather tell doctors, engineers, and scientists to work for pennies on the dollar for the greater good. It's pretty stupid and I'll be the first one to leave if I were them.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: bctbct

unfortunatley thats how a lot of business' work. I work in the construction field and it very common to bid work and sign a contract for a job that may not start for 3-6 months. Ever hear of the price spikes of plywood because of huricanes etc? I recall one job where it cost 14k for just the sheathing. Ontop of that, all labor is estimated.

doctors do noble work however when a person goes to the hospital for 1-2 days and gets billed for their annual salary...the public is going to villanize you.

Off topic but if you work for a big enough firm can you hedge?

 

[JKing106]

Sane people care more about other people than money. Heal thyself, doctor.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: JKing106
Sane people care more about other people than money. Heal thyself, doctor.

Sounds nice, but no one wants to live in a shithole and be poor while working 90+ hours for others.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
We need solutions and I would love to see the republicans come up with 1 just 1 solution that considers healthcare a right, that is key. Healthcare is a right. If you don't believe this then people will be diatomicly opposed just like abortion.

First idea: make becoming a doctor easier. Many countries have lower barriers to entry to become a doctor and have no issues with quality that these doctors produce. Since the USA has one of the highest barriers to become a doctor, many assume we have the best doctors in the world. This is not the case.

Health care is not a right. If you believe its a right, then you must believe that its okay to force doctors to work whenever the public demands it. With the artificial low number of doctors, to cover everyone, the public must force the limit number of doctors to care for a lot of people.

Bottom line solution: More hospitals, more medical programs, more doctors, residency programs, etc. With more supply of learning facilities, becoming a doctor will be easier. however, AMA, don't like this and they have a big lobbying group.

Someone gets it! The democrats are practically sitting in AMA's lap.

Health care may not be a right, but it is a goddamn necessity.