Doctors in Jolly Old England call to ban Kitchen Knives

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A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to reduce deaths from stabbing.

A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

The research is published in the British Medical Journal.

The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.

They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.

None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.

The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault - but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs.

he study found links between easy access to domestic knives and violent assault are long established.

French laws in the 17th century decreed that the tips of table and street knives be ground smooth.

A century later, forks and blunt-ended table knives were introduced in the UK in an effort to reduce injuries during arguments in public eating houses.

The researchers say legislation to ban the sale of long pointed knives would be a key step in the fight against violent crime.

"The Home Office is looking for ways to reduce knife crime.

"We suggest that banning the sale of long pointed knives is a sensible and practical measure that would have this effect."

Government response

Home Office spokesperson said there were already extensive restrictions in place to control the sale and possession of knives.

"The law already prohibits the possession of offensive weapons in a public place, and the possession of knives in public without good reason or lawful authority, with the exception of a folding pocket knife with a blade not exceeding three inches.

"Offensive weapons are defined as any weapon designed or adapted to cause injury, or intended by the person possessing them to do so.

"An individual has to demonstrate that he had good reason to possess a knife, for example for fishing, other sporting purposes or as part of his profession (e.g. a chef) in a public place.

"The manufacture, sale and importation of 17 bladed, pointed and other offensive weapons have been banned, in addition to flick knives and gravity knives."

A spokesperson for the Association of Chief Police Officers said: "ACPO supports any move to reduce the number of knife related incidents, however, it is important to consider the practicalities of enforcing such changes."
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In other news, another group of doctors wants to ban rocks, trees thhat may produce sticks that may poke out an eye, lumber, anything that produces an open flame, gasoline, glass, power tools, non-powered tools, forks or anything else that may be present in a garage or kitchen.

Another English group just wants to ban hardware stores.
 

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See! If you ban guns, then you'll simply have more trouble with knives. What they don't realize is that if they ban knives, then next on the list will be wooden pencils and pencil sharpeners. Everyone will have to use mechanical pencils. By the year 2100, people will need a permit to get a hammer to pound in a nail. God forbid they have to split some firewood or cut down a tree.
 

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hahaha thats just great. yeah good idea lets ban knives! that will work! nobody will commit crimes with small knives or forks or clubs or anything
 

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Did you guys at least read the whole article to get a sense of the argument? It actually makes sense to me. :Q

I've used steak knives at restauranted before that have a rounded end, but work just as well as any other knife.

They're not asking to ban all knives, just those that end in a sharp point. Think about it - you do all your cutting on the edge, not on the tip. Like the article pointed out, if you do need a pointed knife, it's usually for carving or pairing, which only requires a very short blade.
 
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Originally posted by: DrPizza
See! If you ban guns, then you'll simply have more trouble with knives. What they don't realize is that if they ban knives, then next on the list will be wooden pencils and pencil sharpeners. Everyone will have to use mechanical pencils. By the year 2100, people will need a permit to get a hammer to pound in a nail. God forbid they have to split some firewood or cut down a tree.

I would rather stab someone with a mechanical pencil. The nice ones with a metal body and a sharp metal point would be much better for causing injury that those wooden number two pencils.
 

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Did you guys at least read the whole article to get a sense of the argument? It actually makes sense to me. :Q

I've used steak knives at restauranted before that have a rounded end, but work just as well as any other knife.

They're not asking to ban all knives, just those that end in a sharp point. Think about it - you do all your cutting on the edge, not on the tip. Like the article pointed out, if you do need a pointed knife, it's usually for carving or pairing, which only requires a very short blade.

Listen, I'll have my knife end in whatever way I want it to, whether its, round, pointed, or with some crazy design I haven't thought of yet.
 

everman

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So they say we must ban kitchen knives with points and then:

amongst adolescents, say the researchers, reporting that 24% of 16-year-olds have been shown to carry weapons, primarily knives.

Are they carrying around large pointed kitchen knives? How will banning kitchen knives stop kids from carrying small knives, which ironically they don't want to ban! :confused:
 

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Must be something in the water or inbreeding.
Britain is turning into a nation of retards.
 

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Did you guys at least read the whole article to get a sense of the argument? It actually makes sense to me. :Q
Yes. I and I suspect most others read the full article. If it makes sense to you, do you really think for a moment that "banning" large kitchen knives will stop stabbings? They'll either keep the big ones they have or <gasp> use knives that are available.

It's a perfect example of the "ifonly" laws.

Ifonly we banned <insert something else> the laws would be more effective and the violence would end. It does not work that way.
 

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Yeah cause it has worked so well in prisons. :roll:

If I want to seriously injure or kill someone it will get done.

I can make my own weapons if need be. Knives, guns, bombs...... luckily such stupidity hasn't caught on here.
 

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Did you guys at least read the whole article to get a sense of the argument? It actually makes sense to me. :Q

I've used steak knives at restauranted before that have a rounded end, but work just as well as any other knife.

They're not asking to ban all knives, just those that end in a sharp point. Think about it - you do all your cutting on the edge, not on the tip. Like the article pointed out, if you do need a pointed knife, it's usually for carving or pairing, which only requires a very short blade.
and so people would just switch to short blades. big deal. i could kill you with an xacto knife about as easily as with a long chef's knife.
 

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first guns and now knives...can't wait until they ban pencils and pens and make all students use chalk
 

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
first guns and now knives...can't wait until they ban pencils and pens and make all students use chalk

We don't need weapons to fight over here.

I wouldn't mind the government banning kitchen knives, I was stabbed in the back last year and was very lucky to only sustain a moderate flesh wound.
 

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Originally posted by: Gurck
But... but... Europe... Utopia... ... UNPOSSIBLE!!111!1!

Where I live, criminals are using wakizashis, even though it's forbidden to carry a blade longer than 8 cm. Who would search your briefcase/backpack on the street looking for a 50 cm long bladed weapon anyway? The police is not going to examine random people on the street.
It's hard enough to enforce a law on wielding weapons, but it's (IMO) impossible to tell people what their kitchen knives should be like. What's next? Are they going to go to your home and search every closet looking for a pointy knife? Meh.
 

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I would have thought Amused would be the first to post this story. :)

I wasn't here.

But let me just say this:

I told you so.

Now no one can deny the existence of a slippery slope.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Amused

Now no one can deny the existence of a slippery slope.

but we can still claim it's a logical fallacy
 

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
See! If you ban guns, then you'll simply have more trouble with knives. What they don't realize is that if they ban knives, then next on the list will be wooden pencils and pencil sharpeners. Everyone will have to use mechanical pencils. By the year 2100, people will need a permit to get a hammer to pound in a nail. God forbid they have to split some firewood or cut down a tree.

No.
The problem with guns is that it's way too easy to kill someone. I wouldn't be able to kill someone with a knife but with a gun, I'm sure I can easily kill someone. Think about it, it's just darn eay to kill someone with a gun.
 

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: DrPizza
See! If you ban guns, then you'll simply have more trouble with knives. What they don't realize is that if they ban knives, then next on the list will be wooden pencils and pencil sharpeners. Everyone will have to use mechanical pencils. By the year 2100, people will need a permit to get a hammer to pound in a nail. God forbid they have to split some firewood or cut down a tree.

No.
The problem with guns is that it's way too easy to kill someone. I wouldn't be able to kill someone with a knife but with a gun, I'm sure I can easily kill someone. Think about it, it's just darn eay to kill someone with a gun.

Why? It doesn't distance you enough?
I would have no problem killing someone with a knife if the I felt the need.
 

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: DrPizza
See! If you ban guns, then you'll simply have more trouble with knives. What they don't realize is that if they ban knives, then next on the list will be wooden pencils and pencil sharpeners. Everyone will have to use mechanical pencils. By the year 2100, people will need a permit to get a hammer to pound in a nail. God forbid they have to split some firewood or cut down a tree.

No.
The problem with sharp sticks is that it's way too easy to kill someone. I wouldn't be able to kill someone with a rock but with a stick, I'm sure I can easily kill someone. Think about it, it's just darn eay to kill someone with a sharp stick.

This post has been edited by the Truth & Reconcilation Commission to make it that much easier to hate idiots.

We are so fvcked folks, it's not even funny, someone with a straight face has suggested banning pointy kitchen knives...:(