Doc says smoking pot ok

[Brule]

Originally posted by: MAME

I agree with you there but if you're stoned, you can probably kiss the rest of the night away. If you take a bath, you waste maybe an hour.

Here's an effects graph for smoked MJ, showing that the rest of the night may not be a waste. 😉

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml

This is also important for the intoxicated driver problem. Since the effects of (smoked) pot fade away much quicker, driving after smoking compared to after drinking are different. At the peak level they're the same, but after an hour or two someone will be almost completely sober on weed while with alcohol they would be much more intoxicated. Sucks for those people out there like me who much prefer :beer:.

 

[farmercal]

In theory that's true, but in reality most people who smoke pot regularly are useless burnouts who smoke away their lives and future.

This statement just isn't true.
There people there that are hooked on heroin and still working everyday. There are also alcoholics that perform as well as any other worker, they just get drunk after work and stay that way until they pass out that night. Then there are the tobacco smokers that have to leave their position at work to go outside for 15 minutes at a time to satisfy their habit. They too are still productive just not around as much as everyone else (including the drunks). Also, since it is illegal to smoke MJ, the MJ smoker can't stay toked up all day. One more point, if the regularly pot smoker is a useless bum...where does he/she get the money to buy the pot? Oh, I know...they are independently wealthy.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: Brule

Originally posted by: MAME

but after an hour or two someone will be almost completely sober on weed while with alcohol they would be much more intoxicated. Sucks for those people out there like me who much prefer :beer:.

Not true. People may feel close to "sober" but your reaction time is not normal until the next day.

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
link

theres more on google if this wasn't enough

Huh, THC receptors. And they're all over the brain. Nifty!

Weird that they named canaboid receptors after pot, which is kind of discovering things backwards. However, with the complexity of the brain current studies often work the same way. They'll take a drug (loose term, anything) that affects someone and then study their brain. A modern example deals with salvia divorium (spelled it wrong I'm sure) which contains a very complex substance of over 32 atoms in a molecule. They know it acts on something in the brain, but what exactly they're not sure of.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Cheeseburger
Gee wiz.

Using drugs to overcome life's stress instead of dealing with it like everyone else.

How American.

Kindof like people that drink caffeine each morning to wake up for work?
Or what about people that eat an ibuprofen after a workout that might lead to sore muscles?
Or what about women that take Midol when they have cramps?

Just because it's legal doesn't change that it's still a drug.

BTW, caffeine is more physically addicting than pot or alcohol.

Owned..

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
In theory that's true, but in reality most people who smoke pot regularly are useless burnouts who smoke away their lives and future.

Reefer madness baby!!!

Sorry, but that's a rather uneducated view. I personally know c- levels at major corporations that smoke pot. I also know *lots* of people in the computer field (generally regarded as requiring intelligence) that are quite sucessfull. In fact, most people I know that smoke pot, work, have family, homes, etc.

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: farmercal

In theory that's true, but in reality most people who smoke pot regularly are useless burnouts who smoke away their lives and future.

This statement just isn't true.
There people there that are hooked on heroin and still working everyday. There are also alcoholics that perform as well as any other worker, they just get drunk after work and stay that way until they pass out that night. Then there are the tobacco smokers that have to leave their position at work to go outside for 15 minutes at a time to satisfy their habit. They too are still productive just not around as much as everyone else (including the drunks). Also, since it is illegal to smoke MJ, the MJ smoker can't stay toked up all day. One more point, if the regularly pot smoker is a useless bum...where does he/she get the money to buy the pot? Oh, I know...they are independently wealthy.

Exactly. There was a time when I was smoking out almost every night. I'd work my 8 hours and then come home or go to my brother's house and spark one up. I'd sleep it off and go to work the next day sober.

The problem arises when you can't keep your priorities straight and get stuff done BEFORE you smoke out. I've known many people who smoke out but they keep it separate from their professional lives. I still smoke but only every 3 or 4 months and even then it's only on the weekends and the evenings after work.

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Not true. People may feel close to "sober" but your reaction time is not normal until the next day.

I'm talking about any acute intoxication. You may certainly feel different even 3+ hours later, but at that time the caniboids are not directly affecting your mind. I guess it could be compared to a hangover from alcohol, but it's a completely different ballgame compared to intoxication.

Originally posted by: yukichigai

2b) THC overdose is possible, but only theoretical at this point. Chances are you'll pass out before coming close to a toxic saturation level, but as certain breeds of pot are bred more and more for high THC yields it could conceivably get to the point where if you smoke like a potfiend you'll OD.

There already exists very high potency pot products such as hashish or hash oil with active chemical percentages near %90. Usually danger is accociated with the LD50 of a substance, which for caniboids is very high. The test LD50 for rats was 1270 mg/kg orally(a lot of grass), compared to tylenol which can kill at doses as low as twice what is prescribed, even lower with alcohol.

THC OD is theoritcally possible, but very improbable even with 99% pure THC crystals. Unless someone wanted to commit suicide in the most unique way possible (and was ungodly rich) this won't happen. There is a general misconception that higher levels of active substances is making pot more dangerous, which is the only reason I would argue that one point. In other words one could OD if they really worked at it, but it is such a small possibility that it shouldn't warrent mention. I agree with most of your other points though, just don't want to concede something that could be misleading. Add one more point though, outlaw idiots and we won't have to worry about it. 😉

 

[Bovinicus]

Originally posted by: yukichigai
2b) THC overdose is possible, but only theoretical at this point. Chances are you'll pass out before coming close to a toxic saturation level, but as certain breeds of pot are bred more and more for high THC yields it could conceivably get to the point where if you smoke like a potfiend you'll OD.

Actually, hashish, bubble hash, and THC oil are all much higher purity than pot will ever be. THC oil can come close to 100% THC. It has been around for many years already. I ventue to say it is not physically possible. The lethal to critical dose ratio is supposed to be 50,000+ to 1. You will fall asleep if you just continually smoke THC oil in an attempt to commit suicide.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: yovonbishop
What exactly USEFUL do you gain from doing marijuana? nothing.

Untrue, pot increases alpha brain waves, which are associated with creativity. Why do you think so many musicians smoke it? It's a tool which aids in both the creation and enjoyment of art, art being anything creative; music, movies, etc. As opposed to my country's great addiction, TV, which is associated with lower levels of brain activity than sleep 😉

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: yovonbishop
What exactly USEFUL do you gain from doing marijuana? nothing.

Untrue, pot increases alpha brain waves, which are associated with creativity. Why do you think so many musicians smoke it? It's a tool which aids in both the creation and enjoyment of art, art being anything creative; music, movies, etc. As opposed to my country's great addiction, TV, which is associated with lower levels of brain activity than sleep 😉

Once again, I'll agree here. After smoking out, I've noticed a boost to my creativity when writing. Not to mention, music sounds SO good when you're high and movies in general are even more enjoyable.

 

[Bovinicus]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: yovonbishop
What exactly USEFUL do you gain from doing marijuana? nothing.

Untrue, pot increases alpha brain waves, which are associated with creativity. Why do you think so many musicians smoke it? It's a tool which aids in both the creation and enjoyment of art, art being anything creative; music, movies, etc. As opposed to my country's great addiction, TV, which is associated with lower levels of brain activity than sleep 😉

Let us also not forget that it can help relieve stress. Stress can have very profound effects on one's health. In fact, I would venture to say that stress can negatively affect a person more than a moderate amount of pot smoking.

Also, you are no longer talking about the negative effects of marijuana, but saying it doesn't provide any positive benefits. I could say the same thing about a hundred different activities people do on a daily basis. Going to an amusement park, watching television, eating dinner at a restaurant, playing PC games, etc. They are all enjoyable activities, but there aren't quantifiable positive benefits from any of them.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Bovinicus

Originally posted by: yukichigai
2b) THC overdose is possible, but only theoretical at this point. Chances are you'll pass out before coming close to a toxic saturation level, but as certain breeds of pot are bred more and more for high THC yields it could conceivably get to the point where if you smoke like a potfiend you'll OD.

Actually, hashish, bubble hash, and THC oil are all much higher purity than pot will ever be. THC oil can come close to 100% THC. It has been around for many years already. I ventue to say it is not physically possible. The lethal to critical dose ratio is supposed to be 50,000+ to 1. You will fall asleep if you just continually smoke THC oil in an attempt to commit suicide.

Ahh yes, I'd forgotten about THC oil and hash. Of course I've yet to meet anybody with enough money to purchase high quantities of either.

Now what would you say to the possibility that the level of THC saturation at which you pass out can be changed or will changed with chronic useage? I haven't seen any studies relating to this, but it holds true with Alcohol certainly. The idea is thus: how long would it take to push your "pass out" level up high enough that the distance between that level and a lethal and/or damaging level was something attainable? A long, long time certainly, but a good question to ask is how much will the concentration of THC used affect that time?

It's all theoretical, like I said. If it ever happens I don't know if I'll be alive to see it.

 

[Eli]

Hmmm......

This thread is too long to read through right now. 😛 I am sure there's plenty of bullsh!t in here, along with the few that actually get it... 😉

I think you all know my stance.. heh.

Cannabis prohibition is 110% as stupid as alcohol prohibition. That's what it boils down to. It makes absolutely no sense, nomatter how you look at it.

It's so strange that some people can look at alcohol, tobacco, caffeine and even cough syrup like it's a different substance, apart from "drugs".

Government lead propaganda at it's finest. Heh.

 

[v3rrv3]

I read like 3 pages but to the guy who said that animals don't eat weed or peppers, animals eat sh1t so I think your arguement kinda sucks.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Cheeseburger

Originally posted by: Horus

"Never, in the history of medicine, has there EVER been a case of someone dying from pot. It's simply not toxic enough."

Nope, never.

hahahahahahaha...

What a crock of sh!t.

There's no way in hell that a mere 6 spliffs(joints, marijuana cigarettes, etc) a day killed the guy because of "cannabis toxicity".

The guy would've had to have been allergic to it or something. Unless they were literally cigar sized, 6 isn't that many for a chronic user. It's up there, but.. LOL..

I want to see the proof. What was his blood THC content? How did they determine that's what killed him??? The whole thing just reeks of BS.. haha...

I know people that have smoked more than 6-joints worth of cannabis a day for 30 years, haha...

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Cheeseburger

Originally posted by: Horus

"Never, in the history of medicine, has there EVER been a case of someone dying from pot. It's simply not toxic enough."

Nope, never.

hahahahahahaha...

What a crock of sh!t.

There's no way in hell that a mere 6 spliffs(joints, marijuana cigarettes, etc) a day killed the guy because of "cannabis toxicity".

The guy would've had to have been allergic to it or something. Unless they were literally cigar sized, 6 isn't that many for a chronic user. It's up there, but.. LOL..

I want to see the proof. What was his blood THC content? How did they determine that's what killed him??? The whole thing just reeks of BS.. haha...

I know people that have smoked more than 6-joints worth of cannabis a day for 30 years, haha...

I think in UK vernacular a spliff is indeed cigar sized.

Regardless, this is from The Mirror. A tabloid. (Nobody told me otherwise when I asked if it was so I'll take that as an affirmation) Until the article shows in a prominent non-christian medical journal I'll chalk it up to an article about what the coroner wrote in the box 'cause he had no freakin' clue what else to put.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Cheeseburger

Originally posted by: Horus

"Never, in the history of medicine, has there EVER been a case of someone dying from pot. It's simply not toxic enough."

Nope, never.

hahahahahahaha...

What a crock of sh!t.

There's no way in hell that a mere 6 spliffs(joints, marijuana cigarettes, etc) a day killed the guy because of "cannabis toxicity".

The guy would've had to have been allergic to it or something. Unless they were literally cigar sized, 6 isn't that many for a chronic user. It's up there, but.. LOL..

I want to see the proof. What was his blood THC content? How did they determine that's what killed him??? The whole thing just reeks of BS.. haha...

I know people that have smoked more than 6-joints worth of cannabis a day for 30 years, haha...

I think in UK vernacular a spliff is indeed cigar sized.

Regardless, this is from The Mirror. A tabloid. (Nobody told me otherwise when I asked if it was so I'll take that as an affirmation) Until the article shows in a prominent non-christian medical journal I'll chalk it up to an article about what the coroner wrote in the box 'cause he had no freakin' clue what else to put.

Damn.. If they are literally cigar shaped, that's quite a lot, but I still call BS. Even the best stuff is only approaching ~14% THC. Hash and hash oil has been around forever, and as mentioned.. can approach 100% THC.

If you could die from "cannabis toxicity", there would be at least a few people a year dropping dead just because of this fact.

You'll fall asleep before you do enough to kill yourself. That's just how it works. It isn't something like alcohol or pills where you can down a sh!tload at a time. You can only breathe so fast and smoke so much. I won't say it's 100% impossible, because everybody is different.. but I'd say it's virtually impossible.

You would probably die of "smoke inhilation" before you died of "cannabis poisoning", LOL.

Originally posted by: v3rrv3
I read like 3 pages but to the guy who said that animals don't eat weed or peppers, animals eat sh1t so I think your arguement kinda sucks.

Whoever said that would be quite wrong.

Anybody who has ever cultivated using the great outdoors know how much of a problem deer and mice can be..... 😉

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: yukichigai
Ahh yes, I'd forgotten about THC oil and hash. Of course I've yet to meet anybody with enough money to purchase high quantities of either.

Now what would you say to the possibility that the level of THC saturation at which you pass out can be changed or will changed with chronic useage? I haven't seen any studies relating to this, but it holds true with Alcohol certainly. The idea is thus: how long would it take to push your "pass out" level up high enough that the distance between that level and a lethal and/or damaging level was something attainable? A long, long time certainly, but a good question to ask is how much will the concentration of THC used affect that time?

It's all theoretical, like I said. If it ever happens I don't know if I'll be alive to see it.

It'd be interesting to know, but like you said completely theoretical. Alcohol acts on so many systems that it isn't the best thing to compare. Opiates are more focused and are a case where overdoses happen commonly; a much more typical drug. Of course the action is much different, depressing the functions of breathing, heart beats, etc. THC, even in very high levels, will not cause physical dependence nor will it have the same toxic "shutdown" effect of other drugs. My guess would be a certain organ or part of the brain would have to fail, the same way so many drugs destroy the liver or kidneys. Since there's no proof of this with millions of examples, it's safe to conclude the substance THC is very safe on the body. The smoke is more dangerous by many levels of magnitude.

I'm off to go poison myself with my dangerous drug of choice, alcohol. 🙂 Now I just need to have another liver ready for me....

 

[Bovinicus]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: Bovinicus

Originally posted by: yukichigai
2b) THC overdose is possible, but only theoretical at this point. Chances are you'll pass out before coming close to a toxic saturation level, but as certain breeds of pot are bred more and more for high THC yields it could conceivably get to the point where if you smoke like a potfiend you'll OD.

Actually, hashish, bubble hash, and THC oil are all much higher purity than pot will ever be. THC oil can come close to 100% THC. It has been around for many years already. I ventue to say it is not physically possible. The lethal to critical dose ratio is supposed to be 50,000+ to 1. You will fall asleep if you just continually smoke THC oil in an attempt to commit suicide.

Ahh yes, I'd forgotten about THC oil and hash. Of course I've yet to meet anybody with enough money to purchase high quantities of either.

Now what would you say to the possibility that the level of THC saturation at which you pass out can be changed or will changed with chronic useage? I haven't seen any studies relating to this, but it holds true with Alcohol certainly. The idea is thus: how long would it take to push your "pass out" level up high enough that the distance between that level and a lethal and/or damaging level was something attainable? A long, long time certainly, but a good question to ask is how much will the concentration of THC used affect that time?

It's all theoretical, like I said. If it ever happens I don't know if I'll be alive to see it.

I can guarantee you the two levels are leaps and bounds apart. Far further than alcohol. A few older friends of mine who used to attend "Bongathons" where people would literally take bong hits until they pass out while sitting up. As well, I have seen many a people begin to pass out from relatively little amounts of pot compared to the enormous amount required to kill someone.

 

I can't believe some of you people still argue against weed.

 

[Brule]

Here's a link showing that it might actually prevent some toxicity. Thought you may be interested yukichigai as you posed the question of long term toxicity. Note that this isn't a proven fact. It does seem related to the subject at hand.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_science1.shtml

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: Brule

Originally posted by: MAME

I agree with you there but if you're stoned, you can probably kiss the rest of the night away. If you take a bath, you waste maybe an hour.

Here's an effects graph for smoked MJ, showing that the rest of the night may not be a waste. 😉

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml

This is also important for the intoxicated driver problem. Since the effects of (smoked) pot fade away much quicker, driving after smoking compared to after drinking are different. At the peak level they're the same, but after an hour or two someone will be almost completely sober on weed while with alcohol they would be much more intoxicated. Sucks for those people out there like me who much prefer :beer:.

uh, no. That shows that you aren't high anymore but ask any stoner how much work they do after smoking pot and it's going to be less than if they didn't smoke at all

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

I love that commercial where the little kid is talking about his older brother who got addicted to pot. He talks about how his brother never got into more dangerous drugs or alcohol or crime and other crap. "He never really did... ...anything at all" and shows his loser brother sitting in the basement watching tv.

:laugh:

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
I love that commercial where the little kid is talking about his older brother who got addicted to pot. He talks about how his brother never got into more dangerous drugs or alcohol or crime and other crap. "He never really did... ...anything at all" and shows his loser brother sitting in the basement watching tv.

:laugh:

Is that another one of those government funded commericals?

TV: My Anti-Drug

or the one I saw on a t-shirt

Alcohol: My Anti-Drug