Do you use valid HTML?

[Yomicron]

I'm (slowly) teaching myself HTML and was wondering how many of you try to conform to W3C's HTML specs.


W3C MarkUp Validation Service

 

[rh71]

I always try to, but it's useless in most cases. Just use tags/script that's cross-browser-compatible and that's good enough.

 

[Bullhonkie]

Always valid HTML/XHTML and CSS, although sometimes my backend news headline feeds will screw it up by not using valid html. As rh71 touched upon, it's not the end all be all by any means. My site still has issues with Opera and the Gecko based browsers even with the validated code. I feel it's something that every serious web coder should learn though.

 

[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: rh71
I always try to, but it's useless in most cases. Just use tags/script that's cross-browser-compatible and that's good enough.

Yup. It's a good idea to have many browsers to check it yourself. I have most of the browsers on one of my computers so I can open my projects and view them with all the different browsers.

 

[notfred]

people are lying. 90% of the "web developers" I come across never check thier code in anything but IE on windows, and possibly mozilla in windows.

 

[StageLeft]

No, if it runs on IE then it's fine, and if the 6 people who access it through one of their silly browsers can't get to it then too bad. Most of the stuff I've done in recent times is to be used internally by companies anyway so IE is the browser they all use. I don't write much html these days at all but I remember how sweet it was when nutsh*t finally took a nose dive and IE became THE browser.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: notfred
people are lying. 90% of the "web developers" I come across never check thier code in anything but IE on windows, and possibly mozilla in windows.

Sad but it's true. Annoys the hell out of me.

I check mine on 3 different platforms, mulitple browers on each.

Win2x/XP - IE, Mozilla, Opera
Mac OS9x - IE, Mozilla, Opera
Mandrake Linux - Mozilla, Opera

 

[StageLeft]

Most of our clients just have a disclaimer on the front page it says "If you're not running IE we don't want your business anyway. Buggar off."

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Most of our clients just have a disclaimer on the front page it says "If you're not running IE we don't want your business anyway. Buggar off."

Ooo... good idea. Long Live IE, fvck the rest.

 

[Ameesh]

in the rare times that i do work on html i only check in ie cause i couldnt care less about people who use other browsers like opera and mozzila

 

[nord1899]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
in the rare times that i do work on html i only check in ie cause i couldnt care less about people who use other browsers like opera and mozzila

Gee I wonder why?

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
in the rare times that i do work on html i only check in ie cause i couldnt care less about people who use other browsers like opera and mozzila

We already knew that, Ameesh.

 

[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
No, if it runs on IE then it's fine, and if the 6 people who access it through one of their silly browsers can't get to it then too bad. Most of the stuff I've done in recent times is to be used internally by companies anyway so IE is the browser they all use. I don't write much html these days at all but I remember how sweet it was when nutsh*t finally took a nose dive and IE became THE browser.

Do you know how many people still use netscape? Many users still use it because they don't upgrade, and don't know how. They are still on their 486 computers but still spend money.

You have to dumb your code down so these people can spend money. Sad, but true.

 

[Electric Amish]

I test on IE, Mozilla, and Opera....sometimes I'll throw in Netscape.

amish

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Originally posted by: Skoorb
No, if it runs on IE then it's fine, and if the 6 people who access it through one of their silly browsers can't get to it then too bad. Most of the stuff I've done in recent times is to be used internally by companies anyway so IE is the browser they all use. I don't write much html these days at all but I remember how sweet it was when nutsh*t finally took a nose dive and IE became THE browser.

Do you know how many people still use netscape? Many users still use it because they don't upgrade, and don't know how. They are still on their 486 computers but still spend money.

You have to dumb your code down so these people can spend money. Sad, but true.

I don't know the current numbers but I think that IE saturation is over 90%. If I was in charge of making a large-audience site (which I'm not), I'd make sure it works in Nutscrape and the other silly browsers, but obviously IE would be targetted as the browser that makes the site look the best (if it was not possible to make it so in all browsers).

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Ameesh
in the rare times that i do work on html i only check in ie cause i couldnt care less about people who use other browsers like opera and mozzila

We already knew that, Ameesh.

dont get me wrong when i used to do a lot of web development i would check like beau does, but after much pain trying to get simple things to work correctly in netscape i said fvck it, i figure those people already have a bad internet experience anyway.

 

[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
I test on IE, Mozilla, and Opera....sometimes I'll throw in Netscape.

amish

My brother-in-law still uses Netscape. He has used it since the mid 90's and cant get away from it, and he is computer savvy. Strange, but true.

EDIT: And it is Netscape that refuses to conform to the standards...

 

[ndee]

I test my code in Mozilla, IE and Opera. Anyone who uses Netscape 4.X doesn't deserve anything better. I have the feeling that Mozilla is gaining some popularity...

 

[WarmAndSCSI]

For my own site, I don't bother checking for HTML errors. If it's a client's, site I do. I am normally more worried about server-side errors in my ASP/VBScript. I usually just check my sites in IE and Netscape. I don't really care about Netscape since ~5/100,000 people who visit my site use Netscape

 

[Antisocial Virge]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
I test on IE, Mozilla, and Opera....sometimes I'll throw in Netscape.

amish

My brother-in-law still uses Netscape. He has used it since the mid 90's and cant get away from it, and he is computer savvy. Strange, but true.

EDIT: And it is Netscape that refuses to conform to the standards...

I always heard it was IE that was not following the standards.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

It's IE that makes up for coders not following standards.

 

[Chaotic42]

Yes

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Antisocial-Virge

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
I test on IE, Mozilla, and Opera....sometimes I'll throw in Netscape.

amish

My brother-in-law still uses Netscape. He has used it since the mid 90's and cant get away from it, and he is computer savvy. Strange, but true.

EDIT: And it is Netscape that refuses to conform to the standards...

I always heard it was IE that was not following the standards.

Pre-Mozilla Netscape had its own problems with following standards.

I dont bother with the standards for the most part. But the pages I update fairly regularly are for me and *very* basic HTML. Checking the validator now

 

[nord1899]

Originally posted by: Antisocial-Virge

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
I test on IE, Mozilla, and Opera....sometimes I'll throw in Netscape.

amish

My brother-in-law still uses Netscape. He has used it since the mid 90's and cant get away from it, and he is computer savvy. Strange, but true.

EDIT: And it is Netscape that refuses to conform to the standards...

I always heard it was IE that was not following the standards.

When you have 90+% of the market, you get to make the standards.

Anyways, both IE and Netscape 4.x were horrible at following the standards. Opera is probably the best at following it. Mozilla is pretty damn close.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer
It's IE that makes up for coders not following standards.

And you know what? AWESOME! It works fine this way anyway. HTML standards are obviously too strict since a person doesn't have to conform strictly and IE is smart enough to interpret their lax code and deliver the site as they hoped.