Do you think we'lll get better performacne than a GTX 470 for ~$210 anytime soon/

[Arkadrel]

RussianSensation, Wiki for 4xx nvidia cards, list the 460 as 368mm^2, and Im pretty sure ive heard that # used other places around the net. Are you 100% sure its 332mm^2?

Gloomy gets it... Nvidia gives you more silicon for your money 🙂
(which in turns cuts into their profits).

Now cards are made of more than just the gpu chip (I realise that)... but those costs are most likely roughly the same for both parties (if say same amounts of ram are used when compairing cards).

 

[RussianSensation]

RussianSensation, Wiki for 4xx nvidia cards, list the 460 as 368mm^2, and Im pretty sure ive heard that # used other places around the net. Are you 100% sure its 332mm^2?

... but those costs are most likely roughly the same for both parties (if say same amounts of ram are used when compairing cards).

I think you meant manufacturing costs. The actual costs are not going to be the same because you still have to account for tax structure, Selling, General, Administrative Expenses (wages), Research&Development costs, etc.

Since both companies have different SG&A, R&D levels, the operating profit margins cannot be compared on manufacturing costs alone. You can say that NV would make more money if they manufactured a smaller chip all things being equal. However, you can't simply conclude NV is losing $$ based on manufacturing costs alone. In some cases, lower profit margins represent a pricing strategy. Some businesses may choose to utilize a low-cost, high-volume approach depending on market conditinos. In other cases, a low net profit margin may represent an actual price war which is lowering profits. We'll see once NV releases earnings.

 

[Gloomy]

Ya, seriously. Makes my buying decision a lot easier since I know what I'll do with a 529mm2 GPU eventually.

I want it. So bad.

Why can't AMD be this cool?

 

[Destiny]

Just returned my GTX 470 to Fry's... might go to purchase another GTX 470 from another retailer at a lower price...😛

 

[Modular]

SOLUTION:
Thermalright Spitfire and VRM Heatsinks

One of these and watch those 90c+ (peak) go down to like ~58c (peak).

So now we're talking about a $260 card again. Add in a new PSU and this makes no sense for me. I should just get a 6850 and call it a day.

 

[ZimZum]

Also, paper launching would counter-productive. People would hold off buying the current cards to wait for the new ones that are supposedly launching 😉

Yeah paper launching seems like an insanely bad idea when your trying to clear inventory. Thats why AMD was so pissed at all of the 68XX leaks because they knew it would hurt 5XXX sales. A paper launch would hurt NV sales just as much if not more than it would AMD's.

 

[JimmiG]

GPU-Z is not guaranteed to be right. The die size is only stored in its internal database, and pulled out to be displayed whenever the program detects that you have a GTX460 in your system. It's not like the program goes in and measures that actual die size somehow. Don't think Nvidia has officially stated the die size anywhere.

 

[edplayer]

Just returned my GTX 470 to Fry's... might go to purchase another GTX 470 from another retailer at a lower price...😛

I like buying bang 4 the buck. The best bang the buck cards are usually low end and then mid-range.

I already have a good low-end card (which is currently my primary card) so I was waiting for a deal on a 1GB 460 or 6850 which is about the performance level I wanted. Found another great deal on a 768MB 460 ($115 + free HAWX 2) so I ended up buying one of those again

 

[maddie]

I'm actually talking abotu this Zotac: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-157-_-Product

Definitely a good deal and my case has very good ventilation... I just don't know if I need something that powerful.

What does 100 extra watts for a few hours a day cost...

Is it my brain not working?

Where do you guys see $205?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Is it my brain not working?

Where do you guys see $205?

Yeah, I am going to order a card today and was wondering the same thing myself. I was going for a 6870 but when I saw $205 for a 470, I decided to take a look at that.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

OK, wait, I may see it. The card is $259 and has a $30 mail-in rebate. That is $229. Use the 10% off coupon form Newegg and it will dock $26 off the original price. $203, with free shipping. 🙂

 

[maddie]

OK, wait, I may see it. The card is $259 and has a $30 mail-in rebate. That is $229. Use the 10% off coupon form Newegg and it will dock $26 off the original price. $203, with free shipping. 🙂

Thanks, see it also.

One issue though. This applies to all video cards, so it really cancels out when comparing prices.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Thanks, see it also.

One issue though. This applies to all video cards, so it really cancels out when comparing prices.

Yes, but you're still able to get a 470 for $203 which is an excellent deal. This card has a $30 rebate in addition to the 10% of, so this is a good deal.

With that being said, I ordered a 6870. 🙂 I looked at some of the power and temp benchmarks for the 6870 and the 470. My computer is in a pretty warm room, so I didn't want he additional heat of the 470 since my PC is on so much. The 6870 and 470 are close enough in performance on average that I thought the 6870 would be better for me.

 

[RussianSensation]

With prices so close, and performance fairly even give or take Tessellation, the quieter and less power consuming HD6870 is a great choice. So I don't think you should regret not getting the 470.

 

[gorobei]

sapphire 5870 at $243 AR AS is pretty close on the performance/value.

http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/41329/sapphire-radeon-hd-5870-1gb-pci-express-video-card