Do you think the world will unite?

[thebestMAX]

Are you kidding? We cant even get along with our neighbors.

 

[Jaskalas]

Before the internet? Physically impossible. Before we could share so much with each other, physical distance meant real differences would always exist.

Now that we're all connected? Only a matter of time. Imagine that this moment is the birth of a civilization... which will take a thousand years to reach maturity. (Probably not quite that long). Now we'll slowly grow together, share and create a new interconnected culture.

Remember... being united has nothing to do with race or skin color. Tribalism is far deeper than the color of one's skin, or the way you look. It's knowledge, it's behavior. It's cultural. Europe was mostly white and had hellacious massacres throughout its history.

So forget our physical interbreeding, it's our minds that have to share and collude. It's our online culture that will bring us together, slowly and bit by bit, piece by piece. It'll take centuries.

 

[Jaskalas]

Are you kidding? We cant even get along with our neighbors.

I can't speak for you, but I haven't killed mine.

 

[Vic Vega]

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[Train]

the only thing that will bring us together, ultimately, is inter-racial marriage on a massive scale.

once we all look the same, the we destroy any shred of historical culture, and completely adopt commercial culture.

honestly, a united world would kind of suck and lose its character

I think cultural differences are a far greater hurdle than genetic ones.

 

[Jaskalas]

I think cultural differences are a far greater hurdle than genetic ones.

Absolutely. Look at the United Kingdom and how bloody / long that took.

 

[_Rick_]

Really? And what would that one-world government look like? Would it be a Presidency, with a Congress to check it, or would it be Parliamentary in nature? Or maybe military rule? What rights would it protect? What type of economy would it promote? What religion, if any, would it back? What language would become official?

You don't really have to answer these questions, but I can assure you, if you did, there would be at least one, if not more, answers that we would disagree on. For that matter alone, we will never unite and a one-world government would not work.

It would have to be Chinese style harmonism, mixed with a bit of Stalinist oppressive integratism. With a computer model driven communist economy.

The problem is, nobody likes to make sacrifices in the short run, to be better off in the long run. That's why it won't happen, and it's also why democracy is failing.

I think once the "Western World" has run out of poor people in foreign countries to exploit, and Imperialism finally comes to an end, then maybe we will see a resurging communism. But right now, there's still plenty of slave labor to construct our advanced civilization upon, while the externalities happen to other people.

And yes, I stand by the fact, that only a cooperative economic model will be viable in the long run. A competition based model is wasteful by nature, which is something that is suboptimal if we want to assure decent living standards for every human on planet Earth.

 

[Smoblikat]

Who the f wants a one-world government?

Global banks
The EU
the US

 

[CPA]

It would have to be Chinese style harmonism, mixed with a bit of Stalinist oppressive integratism. With a computer model driven communist economy.

The problem is, nobody likes to make sacrifices in the short run, to be better off in the long run. That's why it won't happen, and it's also why democracy is failing.

I think once the "Western World" has run out of poor people in foreign countries to exploit, and Imperialism finally comes to an end, then maybe we will see a resurging communism. But right now, there's still plenty of slave labor to construct our advanced civilization upon, while the externalities happen to other people.

And yes, I stand by the fact, that only a cooperative economic model will be viable in the long run. A competition based model is wasteful by nature, which is something that is suboptimal if we want to assure decent living standards for every human on planet Earth.

Luckily, I'll be dead before that scenario ever occurs. unfortunately, my distant relatives would have have to deal with it. That makes me sad.

I do find it funny how you believe imperialism leads to slavery, which would indicate that you think communism leads to free will.

 

[mikeymikec]

Global banks
The EU
the US

Please elaborate when you say "The EU" and "The US". The only interested parties that I can think of would be some politicians, which constitute a very small percentage of the populations.

 

[zinfamous]

Only after we make first contact with some hostile aliens bent on destroying us. This would accomplish two things:

--we would essentially have to unite to defeat the common threat.
--the existence of advanced alien species will pretty much eradicate the mythological base for most of the world's religions. We are no longer the unique love children of any type of "God," and so humanity would finally achieve the more enlightened state of non-religious moral and scientific authority.

 

[dighn]

Only after we make first contact with some hostile aliens bent on destroying us. This would accomplish two things:

--we would essentially have to unite to defeat the common threat.
--the existence of advanced alien species will pretty much eradicate the mythological base for most of the world's religions. We are no longer the unique love children of any type of "God," and so humanity would finally achieve the more enlightened state of non-religious moral and scientific authority.

3. we would get wiped out. unless we made it into interstellar space before said contact.

 

[zinfamous]

3. we would get wiped out. unless we made it into interstellar space before said contact.

well, naturally. But we would likely unite for those couple of days that we manage to hang on.

 

[exdeath]

No. People are entitled to live their own culture and ideology.

 

[dighn]

well, naturally. But we would likely unite for those couple of days that we manage to hang on.

maybe with our collective noggins together we'll actually have a solution for once.

 

[Tim]

It's a lot more likely that the human race will wipe itself out first.

 

[Staples]

People are selfish and that will be the downfall of humanity.

I am more interested in how much longer do we think humanity will be around.

 

[bradly1101]

Two deadly sins will get in the way; greed and pride.

Humility: without pride or self assertion.

Be humble, be free.

 

[CPA]

Two deadly sins will get in the way; greed and pride.

Humility: without pride or self assertion.

Be humble, be free.

Well, I disagree. I think rational greed is a good thing. See, we will never be united.

 

[dighn]

Well, I disagree. I think rational greed is a good thing. See, we will never be united.

this is a good thing. competing philosophies and ideologies drive the evolution of civilization. the only thing we should hope for is peaceful and constructive competition.

 

[JTsyo]

Global banks
The EU
the US

I think the world powers will be the last to agree to a democratic unified government. Why would they give up their power and be overrun by the more populous nations. This is the whole reason why they have a seats in the Security Council.

 

[mikeymikec]

I think the world powers will be the last to agree to a democratic unified government. Why would they give up their power and be overrun by the more populous nations. This is the whole reason why they have a seats in the Security Council.

True, it's kind of like the whole "unified login" idea that is generally desirable for end users, but no big-name company is interested in being involved unless it is running the system and everyone else is dependent on that company.

 

[sourn]

Not anytime soon, but eventually I think we will. I don't think it'll turn into a bunch of tree hugging hippies with no violence.

 

[Jaskalas]

It's a lot more likely that the human race will wipe itself out first.

I have to admit, us uniting assumes we hold civilization together long enough to do so. By simple process of our infinitely increasing population - that can't keep happening forever. Some serious crises and issues will have to be forcibly dealt with in the next hundred years.

Do you really think we can double our population and still have drinking water? Heh... tell that to SoCal.

Suppose if you think about our future... you open the door to discuss why it can't happen, if we fall apart first.

 

[_Rick_]

I do find it funny how you believe imperialism leads to slavery, which would indicate that you think communism leads to free will.

There is a difference between slavery under imperialism and under communism.
Compare the living standards of an african slave being captured and transported, off to a life of servitude to benefit his master, to that of a miner or farmer in a communist country, and you will see, that the difference is quite astonishing.

Free will is sadly detrimental, if "global maximum subsistence" is your goal. But then, how much more free will do you have today? Sure, you can decide how many children you'll have, without persecution - that kind of thing could not be allowed to happen in the long run.

Why do we need coercion? Because people refuse to be enlightened. Some need to be bettered against their will - which is the core of any society. Some just take it further than others. A world government would sadly have to take it further, otherwise it would be pointless.