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Do you think the Space Shuttle program is now Dead?
- Thread starter MadRat
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I agree...a sink hole for our tax dollars; a number of companies have already expressed an interest in space research...privatize it and I'll be happy.
Stick a fork to it, it's done.
I like the Glushko idea, because it was already used in the Energia space system to put the Soviet Buran shuttle into orbit, and I believe it's the most powerful currently operating launcher.
http://www.astronautix.com/lvfam/energia.htm
I like the Glushko idea, because it was already used in the Energia space system to put the Soviet Buran shuttle into orbit, and I believe it's the most powerful currently operating launcher.
http://www.astronautix.com/lvfam/energia.htm
We lost focus on space, *****. The United States of Space! Cause I ain't stoping at the moon. Write this down: M-A-R-S. Mars, bitches! Thats where we are going! Mars! Red Rocks!
"And as for the Bush Administration, this is exactly the kind of indirect approach they have adopted for most of their major initiatives. They are very clever at taking advantage of the blind Bushophobia of the Administration's opponents. They always start out by doing something very different from (sometimes exactly the opposite of) what they really want to do. Then when the first plan is denounced by the news media and the Democrats, they reverse course and do what should have been done in the first place.
Then the President's opponents congratulate themselves on having "forced" Bush to abandon another misguided plan. This ploy works best if the original plan is really stupid and obviously failing (e.g. letting looters run wild in Baghdad), but this isn't really necessary anymore, since Bush-bashing has become so reflexive that any program he suggests is automatically attacked.
So if I were a betting man, I would give you 5:1 right now that Shuttle will never fly again, and that the decaying ruin of the ISS will be deorbited within 5 years."
Wow, this guy obviously hangs out here in P&N.
Then the President's opponents congratulate themselves on having "forced" Bush to abandon another misguided plan. This ploy works best if the original plan is really stupid and obviously failing (e.g. letting looters run wild in Baghdad), but this isn't really necessary anymore, since Bush-bashing has become so reflexive that any program he suggests is automatically attacked.
So if I were a betting man, I would give you 5:1 right now that Shuttle will never fly again, and that the decaying ruin of the ISS will be deorbited within 5 years."
Wow, this guy obviously hangs out here in P&N.
...or Canada. Wait, do you guys have a space program? I am still waiting for that list of 3 things your country has done to improve the human condition....marty? marty? anyone? Bueller?
Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
And I am still waiting for you to stop trolling, but I am not holding my breath
Why not answer the question raised to you in numerous threads? Moreover, I wasn't sure if Canada has a space program or not, which is why I raised another question...
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
And I am still waiting for you to stop trolling, but I am not holding my breath
Why not answer the question raised to you in numerous threads? Moreover, I wasn't sure if Canada has a space program or not, which is why I raised another question...
1. For the same reason I don't post in Dave's threads.
2. Google.
As I thought....make a contribution to the world and then you can criticize what we do; until then, your arguments are moot. God bless the queen.
yhelothar
Lifer
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Did you even read the site? It says it costs 5 billion dollars a year for the shuttle flights. What kind of company is going to give up $5B to get little returns?
How is a company going to benefit from finding out how stars recycle themselves, what gases is x nebula composed of, etc...?
Honestly, I could care less about the stars and recycling, as, like you clearly point out, I get "little returns.? Therefore, I would like to 'opt out' of NASA funding.
Short sighted people never would have been able to land on the Moon.
I'm glad short sighted people have not been running NASA back then.
As for what you get out of it?
Every day applications will probably take anywhere from 20 to 100 years to trickle down depending on what it is. New technology and research, thanks to space exploration and zero gravity, allows progress.
It doesn't benefit you today. However down the road it benefits us all and our familes.
Corporations on the other hand would simply look out for their own skin. If there is a cure for a Cancer they will corner the market rather than share. If there is a new breakthrough in computer processor design it won't be shared with anyone and again they will benefit alone.
The list goes on.
Besides some companies can easily quadruple what NASA has for a budget. Some could easily match the budget of every space Agency on the planet if they wanted to. Don't forget that.
That's just another reason to keep a lid on corporations. They are massive as is. Do you seriously want to turn them into mega corporations that will further influence your life? I think they do enough today to warrant caution.
I'm glad short sighted people have not been running NASA back then.
As for what you get out of it?
Every day applications will probably take anywhere from 20 to 100 years to trickle down depending on what it is. New technology and research, thanks to space exploration and zero gravity, allows progress.
It doesn't benefit you today. However down the road it benefits us all and our familes.
Corporations on the other hand would simply look out for their own skin. If there is a cure for a Cancer they will corner the market rather than share. If there is a new breakthrough in computer processor design it won't be shared with anyone and again they will benefit alone.
The list goes on.
Besides some companies can easily quadruple what NASA has for a budget. Some could easily match the budget of every space Agency on the planet if they wanted to. Don't forget that.
That's just another reason to keep a lid on corporations. They are massive as is. Do you seriously want to turn them into mega corporations that will further influence your life? I think they do enough today to warrant caution.
If I could afford a cup of coffee I would instead spend it on your education system.
Think of it as my contribution to foreign aid. =)
Think of it as my contribution to foreign aid. =)
Don't waste your money, sir; we have spend billions and billions on education and not receiving an adequate return on our investment...D.C. is a perfect case-in-point. We are in the top 3 with regards to per capita spending and on the bottom when it comes to performance and achievement...if we could spend our way out of this problem, we would have by now...but I'll take that cup of coffee.
The shuttle is NOT dead, atleast not yet. It will eventually be replaced with some sort of space plane. Congress halted funding for a shuttle replacement until NASA is given a clear direction.
NASA is the leading researcher in ALOT of fields. Including nanotechnology. NASA main goal may be space, but there are alot of other areas, they have to research in order to reach their main objective.
yhelothar
Lifer
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yeah I suppose you could care less about people researching about how plants take in food, how cells work, how the world is composed of molecules also...
We wouldn't be so technologically advanced if we did not research the basics first. Without the basics, you cannot develop. It's like trying to find a cure for aids when you have no idea what "that little bug under the microscope" is.
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