Do you think that the world will enter a world war 3?

[sandorski]

The world vs. Israel.

You read it here first.

No we didn't. That's an ancient fantasy from an exiled People who were convinced that their god of war had chosen them to rule the World.

 

[Papa Hogan]

No we didn't. That's an ancient fantasy from an exiled People who were convinced that their god of war had chosen them to rule the World.

What's with the Strange Caps?

 

[zinfamous]

True, and the Korean War was directly caused by its division at the end of WWII.

And that's just it--we have had plenty of opportunities to start WW3--Korea, Vietnam, all of the "little incidents" in Cuba, but it hasn't happened. Hiroshima and Nagasaki pretty much caused everyone to piss their pants about what a nuclear WW would mean to everyone.

There is literally nothing to fear about the US, Russia, China, and even Pakistan with their Nukes (only the security of said nukes, obviously--but state-sponsored action is not only very unlikely, but non-threatening considering our MIRV capability to take out threats before a launch can occur)

DPRNK is indeed a potential threat. but, again, Their nukes have essentially zero capability to threaten anyone.

 

[sandorski]

What's with the Strange Caps?

I am mysterious. :hmm:

 

[IndyColtsFan]

DPRNK is indeed a potential threat. but, again, Their nukes have essentially zero capability to threaten anyone.

The Kim family isn't stupid. They talk a big game for the benefit of their own people and in the hope it will gain them concessions, but they very well know that any substantial attack against Japan, South Korea, or the US would end with their destruction. The attack on the Cheonan was a HUGE gamble on their part and I think they know that if they conduct a similar attack ever again, it is game, set, and match for their regime. Even having low-yield nukes won't give them license to strike conventionally at will and they're truly nuts of they believe that.

For all the bluster and FUD about NK having one of the world's largest militaries, I'd wager the US Air Force and Navy would finish them off inside of a month if it came to war and the Army and Marines would just have some mop-up duty.

 

[Centauri]

No more World Wars, I think. The countries capable of fighting in one are still the same countries that fought in the last one, and I don't think any of them want to repeat it.

It's gonna be first world countries with occasional problems with the third world.

 

[rudeguy]

No more World Wars, I think. The countries capable of fighting in one are still the same countries that fought in the last one, and I don't think any of them want to repeat it.

It's gonna be first world countries with occasional problems with the third world.

What?
Italy? Not capable of shit
Germany? Not capable of shit
Japan? Not capable of shit

You are clueless

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I agree that MAD, the EU, and even technological/societal changes will likely prevent another world war on the scale of WWII, at least in our lifetimes and maybe the next century or two (and hopefully forever). WWII still boggles my mind in its size and destruction, and I feel privileged in having known so many WWII vets. Those folks were the very definition of heroes -- my grandparents, their brothers and sisters, etc.

If we're talking theories on what was a World War and what was not, one theory that has some merit IMO suggests that WWII was just the second phase of WWI. I believe that it was Marshal Foch who, upon the signing of the armistice ending WWI, said that this was a 20-year armistice, not peace. He was very correct, unfortunately.

Perhaps, but one man managed to lead the worlds most powerful nation into two wars with one attack and a good deal of luck, and its changed us into a frightened people with a government who does not trust us. One man, one act. Bin Laden's laughing in his grave. Make no mistake, nations can be led by the nose. Our most recent societal change is one of fear, and manipulating that has always been most effective.

WW2 of course was just a restart of ww1, at least the European part.

The real threat of global chaos in the future is I think more likely to come from technologically sophisticated anarchists.

Like they used to say, a total bummer.

 

[mikeymikec]

Only when the oil is in danger of running out. Until then MAD is going to keep the superpowers from squaring off.

I was about to say "what, this MAD?", googled for a result for the evil organisation from the Inspector Gadget cartoons, but a result appeared which might have been what you were referring to 🙂

I wonder whether Russia's descent into systematic inhumanity will stop with anti-homosexuality. If it doesn't, the world could end up with a bit of a problem; if you can train a nation to not object to subjugating a portion of society for no good reason, then why stop there? I'm sure that the government can come up with more "undesirable elements" in society to have a problem with.

What?
Italy? Not capable of shit
Germany? Not capable of shit
Japan? Not capable of shit

You are clueless

Any country is capable of "starting shit", the question is whether the situation spirals into a world war (theft and use of a nuke coupled with a bit of misdirection/false evidence would certainly be a cheap way to start). Also, I somewhat doubt that anyone would have considered Germany to be capable of "starting shit" after WW1. The politicians were even naive enough to think that WW1 was "the war to end all wars".

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What?
Italy? Not capable of shit
Germany? Not capable of shit
Japan? Not capable of shit

You are clueless

USA
Russia
China

Those, especially the first have done shit.

 

[Kaido]

No we didn't. That's an ancient fantasy from an exiled People who were convinced that their god of war had chosen them to rule the World.

Too necro. Didn't come up in forum search, therefore not a repost :biggrin:

 

[DrPizza]

😕
Iraq and Afghanistan are not/were not democracies.

Iraq isn't the country that started the fight. What I quoted said, "that democracies tend not to fight if they can help since it is not economical." Uhh, we started it with Iraq.

 

[Scotteq]

Iraq isn't the country that started the fight. What I quoted said, "that democracies tend not to fight if they can help since it is not economical." Uhh, we started it with Iraq.

If I recall the 'democracy' quote correctly, it has much more to do with economic relationships than type of government. So it's true that democracies tend to not war on each other... out of concern for business relationships. Economically, Iraq meant less than a sun dried turd to the USA, except insofar as they could threaten "our" oil. Which they did.

Now they can't.

 

[Jaskalas]

Yes.

Time frame, no clue.

 

[Daishiki]

Alternatively, aliens (hopefully the dumb ones from movies, bonus points if they are allergic to water)

Almost spit out my breakfast reading that.

 

[rudeguy]

USA
Russia
China

Those, especially the first have done shit.

He said all the countries. Since it was the world vs those countries, his point is pointless.

 

[KlokWyze]

In the past, economics lead to most wars. Now, ironically, our interconnected economies will prevent widespread destructive wars. They are too costly from so many perspectives. The people in charge have the money and power. Why would they want a destabilizing war between first world countries? Who would benefit?

Stuff can change, but there aren't any countries I foresee in being in the position to benefit from an attack on any 1st world country any time soon.

 

[zinfamous]

The Kim family isn't stupid. They talk a big game for the benefit of their own people and in the hope it will gain them concessions, but they very well know that any substantial attack against Japan, South Korea, or the US would end with their destruction. The attack on the Cheonan was a HUGE gamble on their part and I think they know that if they conduct a similar attack ever again, it is game, set, and match for their regime. Even having low-yield nukes won't give them license to strike conventionally at will and they're truly nuts of they believe that.

For all the bluster and FUD about NK having one of the world's largest militaries, I'd wager the US Air Force and Navy would finish them off inside of a month if it came to war and the Army and Marines would just have some mop-up duty.

I agree, but I think they are still the only legitimate threat--I only mention that to enforce how very unlikely would be a nuclear, world war.

 

[zinfamous]

No more World Wars, I think. The countries capable of fighting in one are still the same countries that fought in the last one, and I don't think any of them want to repeat it.

It's gonna be first world countries with occasional problems with the third world.

Indeed. The funny thing about the US, though, is that we seem perpetually keen on keeping wars going whenever we can. There are many reasons for this, sure--MIC--but I think what really keeps the public numb about it is the fact that none of these wars were ever fought on our soil--save for the ambush at Pearl Harbor which was not a battle, and that little skirmish on the Alaskan hill.

The US, in reality, knows absolutely nothing of war. Not a damn thing. The other big countries know all there is to know about what it means to live through war.

I don't see this country as precipitating something on the scale of a WW, but it does concern me that we are too far removed from the realities of real conflict. It's all too easy to drop bombs and knock down doors out in the deserts and mountains when those places exist only in civics books for the majority of our population.

 

[rudeguy]

I agree, but I think they are still the only legitimate threat--I only mention that to enforce how very unlikely would be a nuclear, world war.

I think China is the only real threat. NK doesn't have the resources to take a single mile of territory from anyone and our forces in the area could take out their whole military in a matter of days. However they do have war monger idiots in power who very well could see the nuking of Seoul as a worthwhile victory, even if it ended their counttry.

China...I think China is the one to worry about. If they wanted to, they could take over 2 continents in a short period of time.

 

[zinfamous]

I was about to say "what, this MAD?", googled for a result for the evil organisation from the Inspector Gadget cartoons, but a result appeared which might have been what you were referring to 🙂

I wonder whether Russia's descent into systematic inhumanity will stop with anti-homosexuality. If it doesn't, the world could end up with a bit of a problem; if you can train a nation to not object to subjugating a portion of society for no good reason, then why stop there? I'm sure that the government can come up with more "undesirable elements" in society to have a problem with.



Any country is capable of "starting shit", the question is whether the situation spirals into a world war (theft and use of a nuke coupled with a bit of misdirection/false evidence would certainly be a cheap way to start). Also, I somewhat doubt that anyone would have considered Germany to be capable of "starting shit" after WW1. The politicians were even naive enough to think that WW1 was "the war to end all wars".

Russia is not as closed as it used to be and, indeed, the world is not closed to Russia. For all of his apparent popularity in very small, isolated parts of the country, Putin is intensely disliked by the majority of the population--the young, the Moscovites, the intellectuals, and plenty of politicians. His campaign of terror against journalists has not gone unnoticed and while it is baffling that he can basically get away with murder, it's not as though he can start shipping off populations of people to the Gulag.

Russia under Putin is moving toward an intensely socially conservative environment-but Russians are classically conservative in that way, this kind of change doesn't come overnight. Remember, the US only started tolerating homosexuality in the 80s, then much of that movement was killed by AIDs hysteria, and only resumed some decade later. It would take many more decades than we went through for Russia to come around, and they only just started...if at all.

Regardless, the world is simply too small now for them to progress towards Nazi facsism or Stalinesque socialism.

 

[zinfamous]

I think China is the only real threat. NK doesn't have the resources to take a single mile of territory from anyone and our forces in the area could take out their whole military in a matter of days. However they do have war monger idiots in power who very well could see the nuking of Seoul as a worthwhile victory, even if it ended their counttry.

China...I think China is the one to worry about. If they wanted to, they could take over 2 continents in a short period of time.

There is nothing to worry about China. The livelihood of both of our countries is inherently tied the other.

Militarily, their nukes are running early 80s tech--a complete non-threat. Granted, a ground war would be a disaster for anyone, but there is no way that either country gets into a war with each other.

They could quickly move into Korea or Japan if they wanted to--but they don't. It's bluster. They know what that would mean and despite all this boo-hooing about China "owning" our debt, they have far, far more to lose than we do if our relationship suddenly sours.

DPRK vs Seoul--yes, that is indeed a possibility. I don't think they could get a nuke off the ground without one of our subs taking out the launch site, but a sudden invasion across the DMZ would be very, very bad....I just don't think the DPRNK is that stupid.

Well, "Fat 3" (according to our CHinese post doc, that is their name for the DPRNK leaders: "Fat 1, Fat 2, Fat 3" 😀), who knows what that guy is capable of. I can see him bombing Seoul as a demand to have Krispy Kreme deliveries at his palace.

 

[rudeguy]

There is nothing to worry about China. The livelihood of both of our countries is inherently tied the other.

Militarily, their nukes are running early 80s tech--a complete non-threat. Granted, a ground war would be a disaster for anyone, but there is no way that either country gets into a war with each other.

They could quickly move into Korea or Japan if they wanted to--but they don't. It's bluster. They know what that would mean and despite all this boo-hooing about China "owning" our debt, they have far, far more to lose than we do if our relationship suddenly sours.

DPRK vs Seoul--yes, that is indeed a possibility. I don't think they could get a nuke off the ground without one of our subs taking out the launch site, but a sudden invasion across the DMZ would be very, very bad....I just don't think the DPRNK is that stupid.

Well, "Fat 3" (according to our CHinese post doc, that is their name for the DPRNK leaders: "Fat 1, Fat 2, Fat 3" 😀), who knows what that guy is capable of. I can see him bombing Seoul as a demand to have Krispy Kreme deliveries at his palace.

LOL

Sorry I wasn't more clear. NK is the only one I could see using a nuke and like you said...it probably wouldn't be for any kind of logical reason. China is just a threat. They have zero reason to attempt anything, especially nuclear. Its just that they are the only country out there capable of doing anything. The only possibly reason they could have of doing something is if they run out of resources, take a page from WW2 Japan. But from what I understand, China has enough resources to last for a very long time.

If all these 3rd world morons would just quit having dick measuring contests, we could be living in a very peaceful time.

 

[mikeymikec]

Russia is not as closed as it used to be and, indeed, the world is not closed to Russia. For all of his apparent popularity in very small, isolated parts of the country, Putin is intensely disliked by the majority of the population--the young, the Moscovites, the intellectuals, and plenty of politicians. His campaign of terror against journalists has not gone unnoticed and while it is baffling that he can basically get away with murder, it's not as though he can start shipping off populations of people to the Gulag.

Russia under Putin is moving toward an intensely socially conservative environment-but Russians are classically conservative in that way, this kind of change doesn't come overnight. Remember, the US only started tolerating homosexuality in the 80s, then much of that movement was killed by AIDs hysteria, and only resumed some decade later. It would take many more decades than we went through for Russia to come around, and they only just started...if at all.

Regardless, the world is simply too small now for them to progress towards Nazi facsism or Stalinesque socialism.

However, the attitude towards homosexuality there has started to devolve rather than continuing to progress (as it was), and if what you're saying is accurate about broad portions of society intensely disliking him, then I can't see how his anti-homosexual agenda has got this far. Some of the election shenanigans he's got away with are quite worrying as well. I hope your final paragraph is correct but I can't think of a reason to say why it definitely is or isn't the case in today's world.

In a world war context though, I don't think it's likely that the Russians would have many allies in such a venture as things currently are. Perhaps if US/Europe-China relations broke down significantly...

 

[disappoint]

And what has that self-awareness gotten us? That sense of self leads to the selfishness that has people divided into camps which is what you're whining about. The whole point of you starting this ridiculous thread was to discuss if mankind was going to wipe itself out fighting mankind. Can you name another species that could self-exterminate? Dolphins are smart enough to be considered self-aware by any reasonable definition and they're not a danger to other dolphins or the planet as a whole. Which is the superior species?

“On the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.” ~ Douglas Adams

Daleks. EXTERMINATE!

They don't get mired in the youtube comments section for days at a time hurling racial epithets at each other. Or forums arguing semantics. They are very efficient exterminators. Like humans, they can even program themselves to exterminate themselves. Have you ever seen a real Dalek? See what I mean? It's a show about nothing. 😵 :| 😡 :twisted: :ninja: