Your parents bought you that system! In year 9, I was running a P200 which I had built from parts i found on the side of the road on rubbish collections.
You will still be able to play games on it in 2009.
RoD
Your parents bought you that system! In year 9, I was running a P200 which I had built from parts i found on the side of the road on rubbish collections.
You will still be able to play games on it in 2009.
RoD
Maybe you could squeeze one more thing out of your folks near the end of this year. I'm willing to bet that s939 X2s will be dropping a bit in price after the big Conroe/AM2 releases. See if you can talk em into getting you a X2 3800+ or better. Then I think you'll be ok till 2009.
But I don't know how to put a computer together, and I probably won't be able to squeeze anything out of them until 2009, and the guy who does it for us might not be willing to put in another thing until then. Also, I didn't get an X2 because of hearing about horror stories about current games.
If your stuck with that system you just are. If you can't run games that come out in 2008-2009 you will just have to wait it sounds like. Honestly I would suggest learning how to put parts in yourself so that if you come across the money you can upgrade when you want. I couldn't imagine having to rely on someone to put a part in for me. It's not hard at all to put in your own part in/build a computer.
What I would like to know is did the builder of that system pick the parts out for you? Did you tell him you wanted a killer gaming machine and thats it? Or did you get on here to see what was good and took a list of parts you wanted and him build it?
Up until this point your parents have been paying for your upgrades? Well hell, if you want to upgrade, just take the money out of your pocket to upgrade..
as others have said, you will do fine with that rig, you wont run the latest games at ultra high quality but, it will last you to the bitter end until 2009, when your next upgrade will be a AMD128 8000+ and a nVidia 18900 GTX 
I did TONS of research on what parts were good. I am still using the 3500+ from when I upgraded from a 512mb ram and a EVGA 6800 128mb AGP to a 2 gig system and 7800GT. I am going to take a class next year that will help me to learn how to put computers together like this so I can do this on my own.
Originally posted by: LW07
I did TONS of research on what parts were good. I am still using the 3500+ from when I upgraded from a 512mb ram and a EVGA 6800 128mb AGP to a 2 gig system and 7800GT. I am going to take a class next year that will help me to learn how to put computers together like this so I can do this on my own.
You don't need a class or any certification whatsoever. I learned all I needed to know about assembling a computer from AT and other sites.
Here's a good place to start.
mechBgon's guide to building your first PC from parts : )
GL HF
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Originally posted by: LW07
I did TONS of research on what parts were good. I am still using the 3500+ from when I upgraded from a 512mb ram and a EVGA 6800 128mb AGP to a 2 gig system and 7800GT. I am going to take a class next year that will help me to learn how to put computers together like this so I can do this on my own.
You don't need a class or any certification whatsoever. I learned all I needed to know about assembling a computer from AT and other sites.
Here's a good place to start.
mechBgon's guide to building your first PC from parts : )
GL HF
Same here I started messing with computers back in 96/97. Never took a class in my life nore had anyone show me how to do something in person. What you need to do is fine a old cheap pentium or similar computer, gut it inside out then put it back together. Putting the computer together is simple. If you get it together and it doesn't turn on or post thats when you come here and post. We will help you figure it out. The hardest part is putting a heatsink on and even that ain't hard once you do it a few times.
Originally posted by: Sniper82
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Originally posted by: LW07
I did TONS of research on what parts were good. I am still using the 3500+ from when I upgraded from a 512mb ram and a EVGA 6800 128mb AGP to a 2 gig system and 7800GT. I am going to take a class next year that will help me to learn how to put computers together like this so I can do this on my own.
You don't need a class or any certification whatsoever. I learned all I needed to know about assembling a computer from AT and other sites.
Here's a good place to start.
mechBgon's guide to building your first PC from parts : )
GL HF
Same here I started messing with computers back in 96/97. Never took a class in my life nore had anyone show me how to do something in person. What you need to do is fine a old cheap pentium or similar computer, gut it inside out then put it back together. Putting the computer together is simple. If you get it together and it doesn't turn on or post thats when you come here and post. We will help you figure it out. The hardest part is putting a heatsink on and even that ain't hard once you do it a few times.
The thing is, I don't have a cheap pentium lying around and my mom said no more for the computer, so I assume she means absolutly no computer parts until 2009. It'll still be fun to take the class, though. I'll probably tell them a thing or two as well.
Can anyone confirm/deny the goodness/badness of that PC2700 stuff? With the onboard memory controller, bandwidth shouldn't matter so much. If that ram is rated at pc3200, you could overclock the timings a bit to boost performance.
Honestly, you might get tired of PC games. I've simply gotten board with the lack of completed games. Unreal Tournament 2k7 should play well enough on that.
On a side note, I'm pretty happy with my computer. I probably won't upgrade till they've got quad core chips out. We'll see if its Conroe or X4...although I'm thinking Conroe due to the HyperThreading (seems to make day-to-day desktop use snappier).
Honestly, you might get tired of PC games. I've simply gotten board with the lack of completed games. Unreal Tournament 2k7 should play well enough on that.
On a side note, I'm pretty happy with my computer. I probably won't upgrade till they've got quad core chips out. We'll see if its Conroe or X4...although I'm thinking Conroe due to the HyperThreading (seems to make day-to-day desktop use snappier).
If ATi implements their idea of physics processing by the GPU, you will not need to worry about the PhysX After all, you can always overclock and get another 10% of performance out of it.
After all, you can always overclock and get another 10% of performance out of it.First of all if you or anyone else (listen up OP) purchases PC3200 memory and it will only run at PC2700 speed then you need to RMA something (most likely the RAM or the motherboard). Seriously, if your RAM is still under warranty then SEND IT BACK. It's not operating at the manufacturers stated specifications, therefore it is defective.
Second of all due to conroe's 14 stage pipeline I don't think hyperthreading will be making an appearance in intel's new family of processors. Hyperthreading was a essentially the clever use of an obscenely long data pipeline that was really hard to keep busy all the time. In that situation sending 2 threads simultaneously kept the processor busy while not really affecting the performance of either thread. Given Conroe's much shorter pipeline I can't see how hyperthreading can be implemented as effectively as it was in Northwood and Prescott.
Originally posted by: Stas
If ATi implements their idea of physics processing by the GPU, you will not need to worry about the PhysX
Ok, you're a lamer. Using your video card or another processor as a halfassed excuse for physics processing is something we DON'T NEED. It's called a video card for a reason, let it do the video while the physics card does the physics, I'm not going to take a video resolution hit because the video card is doing physics calculations.
The more dedicated components, the less unnecessary components we have to upgrade (for example, the CPU), CPU power these days are pretty stagnant because it's getting difficult to scale CPU power, we're getting more and more CPU limited and it's not because they're slow, we're CPU limited because of the fact the CPU has to do crap like physics calculations, once the CPU is free from that job, it can become a less important factor in video game creation.
Back in the pentium days, increasing CPU power was the world of performance but once 3D came out, it wasn't, you could have a P166 with a Voodoo card easily beat performance and graphically a PII266 because there are some things a CPU can't do very well and it's graphics. Physics is the same thing, which is why we need dedicated cards and not this worthless beating around the bush; people need to quit being a cheap asses, it'll benefit us all in the long run..
After seeing Crysis I'm thinking, no. The devs making Crysis said that DX10 will be a big framerate booster over DX9 so already a DX10 card to me is necessary over the horizion.
Saying you're not going to upgrade anything until 2009 is unrealistic. Just upgrade here and there when you get money.
Don't plan on having a job before 2009?
Saying you're not going to upgrade anything until 2009 is unrealistic. Just upgrade here and there when you get money.
Don't plan on having a job before 2009?
Slither - I'm too lazy to search for the thread where we tried to help him, but it's fairly well known that I don't like this kid.
I'd recommend just leaving his threads alone.
-z
So why does a P4 feel faster at day-to-day tasks? I've used plenty of AMD systems, and plenty of P4 systems, and all the P4s feel slicker for browsing, writing documents, etc; even though they were all bloated down with extra crap that the people didn't know how to remove. Also, plenty decide to run more RAM at a slower speed, over less RAM at a higher speed. Thats why I asked. RMA'ing has nothing to do with it. Quit picking bones and go to bed.
actually, i think it will. games right now are becoming multi-threaded and though multi-threaded applications are not yet abundant, they are present. i would assume in 1 year dual core will be preferred and in 2-3 years a necessity. at this time, however, is when you would be fine with retiring your system. nonetheless, the lack of an additional core will begin to show its effects slowly so i would say if you were to have a single upgrade between now and '09, it may just be the CPU. you even stated you want to be able to play at medium settings at 10x7 so i'm sure your x1900xt should be able to pull through
Hyperthreading does indeed show it's worth when there are multiple programs being processed simultaneously, or in your situation when there are useless programs stealing CPU time in the background. A bogged down Intel machine w/hyperthreading might indeed be a great deal more responsive than an equally bogged down A64 machine simply because hyperthreading allows the P4 to distribute it's workload more evenly than the windows scheduler allows the A64 to.
I promise you if you ever get a chance to compare a P4 machine with an A64 machine on 2 clean computers you'll see how much snappier a A64 can be.
Things change a bit when you have 2 true cores like Conroe and hyperthreading becomes less important for maintaining responsiveness. This is one reason why hyperthreading is only included in the EE Pentium Ds, that is to say for bragging rights (4 logical cores...ooohhh) .
Are you using 4 dimms? The A64 memory controller tends to have trouble with more than 3. Sorry I should have asked that before the earlier rant.
If you're using 2x1gb sticks there's reason for concern, but if you have 4x512mb sticks then the instability can be attributed to the A64 IMC.
If you don't like my topics, then why can't you just leave them alone? I just asked a question wondering about whether my computer running good until 2009 at a setting, and this is nothing like that other topic. Just because I have a question about my computer, that doesn't give you the right to thread crap in my topics like this. Just get over it! It's been a month ago since that other topic!
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