Do you think most scientific minds believe in or disavow any "God"?

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Vic
There is only one God, as there is only one totality of existence, and that God is all existence. This is not even a belief, in fact, but a priori (self evident).

How is this self-evident?

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Vic
There is only one God, as there is only one totality of existence, and that God is all existence. This is not even a belief, in fact, but a priori (self evident).

How is this self-evident?

By definition.
It's a feeling, not a thought process.
When you know, you know.
I know.

 

[meltdown75]

:music: what if God was one of us :music:

sorry. just thought i'd throw in a little theme music.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
:music: what if God was one of us :music:

sorry. just thought i'd throw in a little theme music.

Nice touch, Melty. 😛
😀
Have you noticed that no one mentioned that I used "disavow" completely out of context?
The grammar nazis must all be at the convention.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Most all the truly great physicists in recent history and presently believe in God in the sense that their must be some entity/force that supercedes/transends natural law.

IT is the only explanation for the laws of conservation being broken at "the beginning of the universe/time (whatever)"

There are many other bits of evidence throughout natural science...

 

[LongCoolMother]

i dont know the statistics, and perhaps it may be the opposite, but ive noticed that most nobel prize winners and renowned scientists are and have been religious. even modern day scientists seem to believe in god, people like charles townes and stephen hawking...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Vic
There is only one God, as there is only one totality of existence, and that God is all existence. This is not even a belief, in fact, but a priori (self evident).

How is this self-evident?

What exists outside existence?

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Vic
There is only one God, as there is only one totality of existence, and that God is all existence. This is not even a belief, in fact, but a priori (self evident).

How is this self-evident?

What exists outside existence?

Caesar is rolling in his grave.

Also, your complex grammatical constructions would make Lyndon Larouche proud!

Anyway, what do randomness and chance have to do with gods? You're basically saying that something that isn't God is God, therefore people who don't believe in God are wrong.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
i dont know the statistics, and perhaps it may be the opposite, but ive noticed that most nobel prize winners and renowned scientists are and have been religious. even modern day scientists seem to believe in god, people like charles townes and stephen hawking...

Contrary to popular belief, Stephen Hawking does not believe in gods, and neither did Einstein.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

As a scientist I have never felt the need to invoke supernatural explanations for anything in my life, or by extension the lives of those about whom I care. That said, I do not discount the fact that others do.

I have no answer to The God Question because I do not ask it.

 

[Analog]

Einstein believed in God, he felt that he was unlocking many of God's mysteries.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Einstein believed in God, he felt that he was unlocking many of God's mysteries.

If anything he was more like Vic.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Caesar is rolling in his grave.

Also, your complex grammatical constructions would make Lyndon Larouche proud!

Anyway, what do randomness and chance have to do with gods? You're basically saying that something that isn't God is God, therefore people who don't believe in God are wrong.

Can't attack the argument so you attack the arguer? :roll:

Random chance and chaos describe what is NOT in the nature of the universe. Only infinite complexity.
Nor am I saying that something that isn't God is God, I am describing the nature of God according the descriptions found in religious texts, combined with our modern scientific understanding. It is most frequently the people who don't believe in God who insist on believing that the concept of God is other than what it is actually is (i.e. your grandfather in the clouds). These straw men and convenient pigeonholes make it easy for them to discount that which they have only limited understanding of.

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
If anything he was more like Vic.

And I claim to believe in God. C'mon... what is omnipotent, omniscient, timeless, immortal, perfect in every way, and not supernatural? What exists outside existence?

 

[Saint Nick]

i am agnostic. i believe there is a god but i don't believe there is proof that he/she/it exists.

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Caesar is rolling in his grave.

Also, your complex grammatical constructions would make Lyndon Larouche proud!

Anyway, what do randomness and chance have to do with gods? You're basically saying that something that isn't God is God, therefore people who don't believe in God are wrong.

Can't attack the argument so you attack the arguer? :roll:

Random chance and chaos describe what is NOT in the nature of the universe. Only infinite complexity.
Nor am I saying that something that isn't God is God, I am describing the nature of God according the descriptions found in religious texts, combined with our modern scientific understanding. It is most frequently the people who don't believe in God who insist on believing that the concept of God is other than what it is actually is (i.e. your grandfather in the clouds). These straw men and convenient pigeonholes make it easy for them to discount that which they have only limited understanding of.

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
If anything he was more like Vic.

And I claim to believe in God. C'mon... what is omnipotent, omniscient, timeless, immortal, perfect in every way, and not supernatural? What exists outside existence?

Interesting beliefs. They make a lot more sense than other beliefs to me. I see the universe as infinite in time, space, and complexity. I think it's teeming with life. Calling the universe God makes a lot more sense than a germanic grandfather in white robes in the clouds.

 

[Davegod75]

"Unfortunately, for reasons justifiable and unjustifiable, individuals hostile to belief in God often malign faith in Him as the lure of emotion clinging to an idea with the mind disengaged."

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Davegod75
"Unfortunately, for reasons justifiable and unjustifiable, individuals hostile to belief in God often malign faith in Him as the lure of emotion clinging to an idea with the mind disengaged."

But in many cases, it's justified.
Joke or not, the Flying Spaghetti Monster speaks volumes about religion.
Those who malign generally equate religion with God.
It's a reasonable argument, like it or not.

 

[CrimsonChaos]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I started college as a Physics/Astronomy major. During my first semester, I met many physicists, astronomers, and other Ph.D. holding people. Nearly all of them believed in God. In fact, one of them spoke in a church near campus occasionally.

In my experience and in general (there are exceptions obviously) the people that believe in God are usually the people of low intelligence and humility and the people of high intelligence and humility. The people who don't believe in God are usually of about average intelligence and full of ego. They believe themselves to be of superior intellect and reasoning abilities but are unable to see that they are of about average intelligence because of their own egos. People that get past their egos are far more receptive to the idea of a God existing.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for that, but it's an honest evaluation based on my experiences where I have lived and travelled.

Can you quantify "in my experience" for us? As in, how many people have you met in your lifetime? How many of these were you able to fully analyze their level of intelligence and humility? I'm sure it must be at least tens or hundreds of thousand to be able to make these rash generalizations.

What's more likely, that you have unlocked the "secret key ingredients" in determining whether someone believes in a god? Or that you really have no idea what you're talking about and are just a hypocrite stroking your own ego?

 

[J Heartless Slick]

If you consider trying to understand how everything works is disavowing "God" then the answer to your question is yes.

 

[Fenixgoon]

can they just not care and get their damn work done? 😛

 

[Sqube]

It is the epitome of foolishness to disavow something that you don't comprehend. To do is to paralyze intellect.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Davegod75
"Unfortunately, for reasons justifiable and unjustifiable, individuals hostile to belief in God often malign faith in Him as the lure of emotion clinging to an idea with the mind disengaged."

But in many cases, it's justified.
Joke or not, the Flying Spaghetti Monster speaks volumes about religion.
Those who malign generally equate religion with God.
It's a reasonable argument, like it or not.

No, the Flying Spaghetti Monster speaks volumes about religion's detractors, and not in a good way. Not only is it very disrespectful (I won't even go into that), but it's childish anti-intellectualism at its ugliest. It's like openly broadcasting to the world that you malign and condemn things you don't understand, and have no desire to even consider seeking a broader understanding.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Davegod75
"Unfortunately, for reasons justifiable and unjustifiable, individuals hostile to belief in God often malign faith in Him as the lure of emotion clinging to an idea with the mind disengaged."

But in many cases, it's justified.
Joke or not, the Flying Spaghetti Monster speaks volumes about religion.
Those who malign generally equate religion with God.
It's a reasonable argument, like it or not.

No, the Flying Spaghetti Monster speaks volumes about religion's detractors, and not in a good way. Not only is it very disrespectful (I won't even go into that), but it's childish anti-intellectualism at its ugliest. It's like openly broadcasting to the world that you malign and condemn things you don't understand, and have no desire to even consider seeking a broader understanding.

Yes, and that, too.

As a thinking person, I can't deny that a good part of religious stories, at face value, smack of Fairy Tales.
For years I thought that the stories were metaphor or riddles. I figured the point was to incite discussion, that the writings were not intented to be taken literally.
Now that I'm a good bit older, I'm not sure that's the case.

I'm not so sure that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is doing more bad than good.
It's so bizarre that it has to incite discussion and thought on religion.
If anyone is willing to use it as a basis to discount religion or a "God", then there's probably not much hope for that individual anyway. 😉

 

[Vic]

I would say your problem is that you focus on the stories. In religious discussions, the stories are like the solvent/vehicle in paint. They simply carry the message, no more.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

I saw an interesting poll a couple of years ago taken from scientists and it asked 2 questions
1) do you believe in a higher power (god)
to this the majority (i forget the exact number) said YES
2) do you believe in a god that you can talk to (by way of prayer or other methods)
something like < 5% said YES