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Do you think he deserves a Medal of Honor?

if the reports are true, he certainly does. I didn't actually see where they detailed the evidence against the report, only that it was decided he didn't conciously do it.

it seems heartless, but they do have standards and protocol, and it would lessen every other recipients honor if they just acted on emotion and unsubstantiated evidence.

at this time I can't make a decision given the lack of details.
 
From what little info is given in the story, it's a difficult call. IF they're right about the severity of his wounds before the grenade incident, then MAYBE the CMOH is overreaching...MAYBE.
IMO, the Navy Cross isn't anything to "sneeze at." It's the 2nd highest award a Marine can earn, only slightly less prestigious than the CMOH.

If she turns it down as the article says she has said she would, then fuck her.
 
The first few games in that series were so great at the time, the recent ones are such ass though...

Oh, I'm so sorry...
 
Yeah, I'm basically agreeing with BoomerD. I think it's kind of sad that people get all worked up about awards.

You know, awards are there to give commendation for unique and absolutely outstanding demonstrations of duty. If the case was thoroughly reviewed, I don't think she should. Especially with that kind of attitude.

It sounds to me like she's pissed her son got killed and she doesn't have anything to show for it besides a less known medal.

Personally, I would give her a medal of honor, but I'm not in the military, and so it has less intrinsic value to me. I understand it is VERY hard to get one.

 
Originally posted by: TehMac
I understand it is VERY hard to get one.
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Yeah, you rarely get one while you're alive...It's most often awarded posthumously.

(although, before someone points if out, there ARE several living CMOH recipients.)
 
So far there are only 4 Medal of Honor awarded for the Iraq invasion. Here's a link to the recipients and how they got the award. Another link on MOH stats.

Just 'cause some one died in battle doesn't automatically qualify them for the MOH, something this woman doesn't understand. There are over 4K casualties in the Iraq invasion LADY, your son wasn't the only one who died in battle, quit being a loot whore.
 
This is another example of the culture of entitlement. Uphold the criteria for awarding the CMOH or it won't mean a thing. It's the country's highest combat honor, fer Christ's sake!

I'm sure mom wouldn't care if the criteria for the CMOH was relaxed until they were handed out like candy at Halloween, just so long as her son gets one. She talks like being awarded the Navy Cross is some kind of dishonor. I pity Sgt. Peralta sitting up in Heaven if, after his sacrifice, he has to look down and watch his mother refuse the Navy Cross in his name.
 
Just take the damn Navy Cross. I'd be just as proud for my kid either way (after all - it's
what he did not the award that you're going to physically get).

How dare she reject an award of this standard for her son
 
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Just take the damn Navy Cross. I'd be just as proud for my kid either way (after all - it's
what he did not the award that you're going to physically get).

How dare she reject an award of this standard for her son
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But does the Navy Cross come with $1,000 a month?
 
Nope.

In fact, from the special investigation that Gates had done on the incident, it sounds like the whole "act of valor" was a cover-up for a friendly fire incident.

Make no mistake, if the man willingly sacrificed his life and body to protect his troops from a grenade, he would have easily been a recipient. But it sounds like he was fatally wounded from friendly fire, and this "heroic act" was a good way to shift the attention/blame for his death on someone else.
 
Yeah........ she would be dishonoring her son if she did not take the Navy Cross.

I guess they can't prove that he grabbed the grenade and took the full force of it to save the other troops.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
The fact that 5 independent experts studied the matter and all came to the conclusion that he did not actually conciously get the granade to save his fellow marines is enough to convince me that he should be awarded the Navy Cross instead.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
From what little info is given in the story, it's a difficult call. IF they're right about the severity of his wounds before the grenade incident, then MAYBE the CMOH is overreaching...MAYBE.
IMO, the Navy Cross isn't anything to "sneeze at." It's the 2nd highest award a Marine can earn, only slightly less prestigious than the CMOH.

If she turns it down as the article says she has said she would, then fuck her.
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I agree.

not to mention reports say that he couldnt have got on the granade since he was shot by friendly fire.

so no that does not get him the MoH. but i suspect he might
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: BoomerD
From what little info is given in the story, it's a difficult call. IF they're right about the severity of his wounds before the grenade incident, then MAYBE the CMOH is overreaching...MAYBE.
IMO, the Navy Cross isn't anything to "sneeze at." It's the 2nd highest award a Marine can earn, only slightly less prestigious than the CMOH.

If she turns it down as the article says she has said she would, then fuck her.
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I agree.

not to mention reports say that he couldnt have got on the granade since he was shot by friendly fire.

so no that does not get him the MoH. but i suspect he might
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My only question is witnesses saying he grabbed the grenade and pulled it under his body.

The forensics says the grenade blew up under him. So how did it get there if he didn't grab it?
 
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: BoomerD
From what little info is given in the story, it's a difficult call. IF they're right about the severity of his wounds before the grenade incident, then MAYBE the CMOH is overreaching...MAYBE.
IMO, the Navy Cross isn't anything to "sneeze at." It's the 2nd highest award a Marine can earn, only slightly less prestigious than the CMOH.

If she turns it down as the article says she has said she would, then fuck her.
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I agree.

not to mention reports say that he couldnt have got on the granade since he was shot by friendly fire.

so no that does not get him the MoH. but i suspect he might
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My only question is witnesses saying he grabbed the grenade and pulled it under his body.

The forensics says the grenade blew up under him. So how did it get there if he didn't grab it?
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Someone shoved one under him to try to cover up the friendly fire incident? Who knows, the friendly fire may NOT have been an accident...happens in every war. In Vietnam, lots of people were "fragged" intentionally...
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: BoomerD
From what little info is given in the story, it's a difficult call. IF they're right about the severity of his wounds before the grenade incident, then MAYBE the CMOH is overreaching...MAYBE.
IMO, the Navy Cross isn't anything to "sneeze at." It's the 2nd highest award a Marine can earn, only slightly less prestigious than the CMOH.

If she turns it down as the article says she has said she would, then fuck her.
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I agree.

not to mention reports say that he couldnt have got on the granade since he was shot by friendly fire.

so no that does not get him the MoH. but i suspect he might
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My only question is witnesses saying he grabbed the grenade and pulled it under his body.

The forensics says the grenade blew up under him. So how did it get there if he didn't grab it?
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Someone shoved one under him to try to cover up the friendly fire incident? Who knows, the friendly fire may NOT have been an accident...happens in every war. In Vietnam, lots of people were "fragged" intentionally...
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Ok, I see nothing to suggest a real cover up. It doesn't sound like they hid the fact he was already injured from friendly fire.

So why make up some heroic story? Maybe some other explosion caused him to fall on top of the grenade but once again why would multiple people say they saw him grab it.
 
Who shot him is irrelevant as far as the award goes and the article is extremely bare on the details discussing why he could or couldn't have covered the nade of his own will.
 
Originally posted by: lupi
Who shot him is irrelevant as far as the award goes and the article is extremely bare on the details discussing why he could or couldn't have covered the nade of his own will.
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It's VERY relevant. If the "friendly-fire" rendered him incapable of performing the heroic act, then why give him the CMOH just because his dead body accidentally fell on a grenade?
We don't know what really happened in this incident, and maybe we never will.
 
Originally posted by: biggestmuff
No. Read a few MoH write-ups and compare it to what this Marine did. The Navy Cross is very respectable and fitting.
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Three of the four recipients from this war received it for covering a grenade. Seems like the only issue is whether or not he covered it intentionally.
 
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