Do you think Europe's problems with Muslims will be America's one day?

[agent00f]

I said romanticizing terrorism in particular, not war in general. And it isn't bizarre. When you say that terrorism is the poor man's way of waging war, you are romanticizing what they are doing by suggesting that they're the little guy and they're just doing whatever they can against the big bad evil oppressor.

Terrorism is a form of war, and it's simple reality of the matter that the west labels poor people who fight that way as terrorists.

If you take issue with this, I suggest taking it up with people who create the definitions and not me.

And although this was a reply to Realibad, I have to laugh at this:

You think your views are in any way "novel"? There isn't a single assertion you've made here that I haven't heard before. Terrorism is the poor man's way of waging war? I've heard that argument made dozens of times. IIRC, the first I heard that was in the context of a debate about the battle of Jenin, on a different discussion board, circa 2002-3. I can't tell you how many times I've heard it since but its many, many times. No, your views aren't novel in the least. So if "novelty" is the criteria for determining whether an argument is worth replying to, then you've just argued people should be studiously ignoring your posts.

In fact, I'll go so far as to say that no views expressed around here are particularly novel. P&N isn't exactly on the cutting edge of intellectual discourse.

So far as "sophistication," I'll leave that to you and other self-styled sophisticates to hash out, because it's an utterly meaningless concept, and a hollow, content free insult.

My replies to you & peers here aren't terribly sophisticated because frankly that would only get in the way of comprehension. For example, if someone needs to be taught how to google, and can't grasp what peer review is, making things more complicated that they need to be only confuses the issue.

Should you in the future write something which warrants a more sophisticated response, I suppose you'll discover what one looks like.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Hey...hick here..loves banjo..

Ever heard of Mean Mary?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CNB5OLUPM0

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Take a look at how well the others are doing in this argument, and avail yourself of the generous offer to reconsider which one of us is the ignoramus not grasping the other.

How well others are doing? Others are kicking your ass and the only thing that's stopping them from kicking it further is that your head is so far up your own ass that it's blocking some of the kicks. And those kicks to the head explain your brain damage.

Okay Zippy, this stuff doesn't need to be explained to anyone with an IQ above that of week-old produce, but alas you cannot even rise to that standard. So let's hope you're capable of learning something here. I'm betting against you.

Wars can only be won in two different ways.

1) You destroy the enemies ability to fight by wrecking their infrastructure. You take out their ability to field a force capable of fighting effectively. That can mean destroying industry so that they can't produce weapons, removing their ability to re-supply food, fuel and ammo so that their army can't move/fight, take out their intelligence so that they're blind and incapable of effectively deploying their assets, etc.

2) You break down the enemies will to fight. Make the fight too expensive, the loss of life too incomprehensible and too demoralizing to continue so that defeat or withdrawal looks more appealing than utter ruination.

That's it. In the history of mankind with wars ranging from weapons of mass destruction all the way back for a million years to cavemen fighting with sticks and stones, nothing else has ever worked. You either beat their armies or you sap their will. And that's why terrorism doesn't work. It's too primitive to work effectively. It completely lacks the ability to remove the enemies ability to fight. It can't attack industry, it can't decimate troops or reduce their fighting ability. It can't remove the infrastructure, the ability to resupply, the ability to put a force in the field and keep it in shape. So it doesn't even try. The one thing terrorism fears most of all is direct confrontation with a military force. That's why they attack civilians, they can't beat any modern army. If they could, they would. Remove the oppositions ability to fight and you win. Destroy their army and you win. Why don't terrorists just take out the main threat? THEY CAN'T! Even you can't possibly be stupid enough to dispute that. So what's left?

Terrorism is a war on morale, it's only goal is to sap the opponents will to fight. That's effective only in really small scales and it's only effective against an enemy without an army. You can easily cow villagers in the mountains of East Buttfuckistan, but you can't scare away tanks, drones, spy satellites, attack jets, cruise missiles and large armies by standing in the back of a Toyota pickup truck with an AK-47 screaming verses from the Koran. Just doesn't work. So why are they doing it? Because they can't do anything else. Why does that simple truth elude you? It's like the delusional criminals emptying a gun at Supermans chest and then throwing the gun at him after their best shot failed. They have no other weapons. They have no ability to target military. They have no ability to inflict massive casualties in the hopes of destroying opposition. If they could do either they would. The moment they have the ability to destroy an army they will. The moment they have the ability to use WOMD they will. They blow up discos and attack unarmed villagers because that's all they can do. They can't attack hard targets. They can't defeat armed resistance. What they're doing is essentially stealing candy from babies because they can't even steal candy from grade-schoolers.

Have you not been paying attention or is is just that with your head that far up your ass you can't process history? ISIS is new, terrorism isn't. The Arab/Islamic world has been practicing terrorism against Israel for nearly 70 years now. How are they doing? Make any dent in Israel's army? Sap their will to fight? Their weapons are tiny and useless in the modern world. Knocking off civilians one bomb at a time accomplishes nothing, it doesn't make the enemy quit, it makes them resolute. Terrorism is what you use when you have no other weapons at your disposal. When you have more effective weapons you use those weapons because terrorism doesn't win modern wars. All terrorism can do is to be a nuisance and all it can accomplish is to survive until the modern military forces of the world gather the will to squash it. And that's what it's doing here. It can't win. It's just cockroaches coming out from under the fridge to grab a Twinkie and then run away before they get stomped.

Tell me, since your tiny delusional mind seems to think terrorism has power to accomplish things, how come it doesn't? If this is the best they can do their best is pretty feeble and if they have more how come they're not using it? Terrorism in the modern world isn't bringing a knife to a gun fight, it's bringing a picture of a rubber knife to a gunfight.

 

[agent00f]

Tell me, since your tiny delusional mind seems to think terrorism has power to accomplish things, how come it doesn't? If this is the best they can do their best is pretty feeble and if they have more how come they're not using it? Terrorism in the modern world isn't bringing a knife to a gun fight, it's bringing a picture of a rubber knife to a gunfight.

The IS types want to motivate more muslims onto their side, into a holy war with west. So they hit a few soft targets and just wait for the predictably asymmetric & rather bigoted response to validate their claims that the west is evil incarnate.

That doesn't take much brainpower at all to figure out, so why are you having so much trouble despite so much effort?

 

[SSSnail]

Seems you're quite aware of what your peers say, which is odd given you first tried to deny it. Similar to how it's odd you're aware of rap music (recorded for posterity above), but pretend to be ignorant of what they say about its imposition of culture.

This is where you're wrong, yet again. I couldn't care less about what anyone says, or their opinions, I take the actual news, read about it using information polled from different sources and form my own conclusions without bias.

As far as rap goes, everyone who has access to information, or radio, and is not brain dead is aware of it and its message and bravado (which is not surprising that you don't know). But, no one is going around telling me, or you, if you make fun of rap, or not submit to rap, they're going to behead you. Try again, genius.

 

[SSSnail]

The IS types want to motivate more muslims onto their side, into a holy war with west. So they hit a few soft targets and just wait for the predictably asymmetric & rather bigoted response to validate their claims that the west is evil incarnate.

That doesn't take much brainpower at all to figure out, so why are you having so much trouble despite so much effort?

You're the worst kind of apologist. How many soft targets would be enough? When would you say "enough is enough!"? Or, would it be until everyone is submitted to the terror regime? That is your end game, isn't it?

I especially love the nonchalant way you say "a few soft targets", yeah, means nothing to you...

 

[GagHalfrunt]

The IS types want to motivate more muslims onto their side, into a holy war with west. So they hit a few soft targets and just wait for the predictably asymmetric & rather bigoted response to validate their claims that the west is evil incarnate.

That doesn't take much brainpower at all to figure out, so why are you having so much trouble despite so much effort?

So what? They recruit a few more people to scream and behead people who can't fight back. What does it accomplish? Are they winning? Are the modern armies surrendering? Are they building modern armies capable of projecting power? You have to be trolling, you can't possibly be stupid enough to believe they're making headway? What is radical Islam doing in the world to make things better for Islam and the believers? The BEST they can hope to do is survive as a small-scale pest because the moment they rise to the level where any modern army fears them they cease to exist. We can rain fiery death on them 24/7/365 and the only reason we don't is that it looks bad. Get that through the knot of rotted cabbage you call your brain. They exist at our sufferance because we will not, AT THIS TIME, accept the strained relations and bad press that would come from the collateral damage that wiping them out would cause. When we had to, we bombed Germany and Japan and accepted blowing up schools and hospitals because the bigger picture necessitated it. We're not close to that point now because they're ignorant rock throwers and goat-fuckers, not a danger to our way of life. If they become an actual threat the modern armies of the world will decide to accept the bad press and the collateral damage and bomb them back into the stone age. Which at their technology level is about 2 weeks ago. They're not important enough to cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war. If that happens and they become something more than a nuisance we stop pretend fighting and we turn the Middle East into a parking lot, buh-bye. Say hello to Allah.

 

[Zaap]

This subject is a LOT more rationally discussed if one just ignores the myriad of *totally false narratives* thrown up by the forum's latest sock puppet nitwit.

He craps all over every thread on terrorism, hoping people will keep taking the bait, and expend novels worth or words debunking insane false narratives. I hate to see otherwise intelligent people keep falling so hard for it.

You can swat an annoying gnat with a rolled up newspaper and move on, no one needs to write their own newspaper first.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

That's because you have to pick out the spanish names. They don't call themselves the Hispanic Terrorist Corp.

So because terrorists happen to have Spanish names means they're committing terrorism to further Hispanic causes? I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Please provide better evidence to support your claim.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So because terrorists happen to have Spanish names means they're committing terrorism to further Hispanic causes? I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Please provide better evidence to support your claim.

Puerto Rico, do you know anything about it's history as an American territory? Try looking up the FALN to start with.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Ever heard of Mean Mary?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CNB5OLUPM0

Not till now
Love it, the red barn song gave me goosebumps

 

[Orignal Earl]

So what? They recruit a few more people to scream and behead people who can't fight back. What does it accomplish? Are they winning? Are the modern armies surrendering? Are they building modern armies capable of projecting power? You have to be trolling, you can't possibly be stupid enough to believe they're making headway? What is radical Islam doing in the world to make things better for Islam and the believers? The BEST they can hope to do is survive as a small-scale pest because the moment they rise to the level where any modern army fears them they cease to exist. We can rain fiery death on them 24/7/365 and the only reason we don't is that it looks bad. Get that through the knot of rotted cabbage you call your brain. They exist at our sufferance because we will not, AT THIS TIME, accept the strained relations and bad press that would come from the collateral damage that wiping them out would cause. When we had to, we bombed Germany and Japan and accepted blowing up schools and hospitals because the bigger picture necessitated it. We're not close to that point now because they're ignorant rock throwers and goat-fuckers, not a danger to our way of life. If they become an actual threat the modern armies of the world will decide to accept the bad press and the collateral damage and bomb them back into the stone age. Which at their technology level is about 2 weeks ago. They're not important enough to cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war. If that happens and they become something more than a nuisance we stop pretend fighting and we turn the Middle East into a parking lot, buh-bye. Say hello to Allah.

You figure if the US doesn't convert Afghanistan into little US you guys will just nuke it and move on?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Not till now
Love it, the red barn song gave me goosebumps

I just discovered her music a couple of months ago. Great playing and that voice, whoa!

 

[Z15CAM]

I believe it's right of any human, race creed or color has the right walk Earth.

 

[agent00f]

This is where you're wrong, yet again. I couldn't care less about what anyone says, or their opinions, I take the actual news, read about it using information polled from different sources and form my own conclusions without bias.

As far as rap goes, everyone who has access to information, or radio, and is not brain dead is aware of it and its message and bravado (which is not surprising that you don't know). But, no one is going around telling me, or you, if you make fun of rap, or not submit to rap, they're going to behead you. Try again, genius.

No, it's rather evident you look for fake news to satiate some internal emotion need. This is completely uncontroversial since even when the process through which this information is faked gets revealed you don't really care.

You're the worst kind of apologist. How many soft targets would be enough? When would you say "enough is enough!"? Or, would it be until everyone is submitted to the terror regime? That is your end game, isn't it?

I especially love the nonchalant way you say "a few soft targets", yeah, means nothing to you...

Empiricism reveals the world as it is. Eg., what IS is, what their counterparts in the west are, how dummies think, etc. Same for example as parts to a car or computer which mesh to work a certain way, rather than believe these assemblies are moved by personal willpower as dummies tend to do.

For example, it's predictable reality that you(r peers) or the lowest common denominator of any group get angry when "their kind" attack "your kind". Notice in this case "their" can mean the smarter folks.

 

[agent00f]

So because terrorists happen to have Spanish names means they're committing terrorism to further Hispanic causes? I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Please provide better evidence to support your claim.

The original claim was that the great majority of terrorist attacks were not muslim, and it appears many are hispanics instead. But in any case if you're curious you can google the names find out more. If this proves challenging, realibrad should now be versed in its operation.

So what? They recruit a few more people to scream and behead people who can't fight back. What does it accomplish? Are they winning? Are the modern armies surrendering? Are they building modern armies capable of projecting power? You have to be trolling, you can't possibly be stupid enough to believe they're making headway? What is radical Islam doing in the world to make things better for Islam and the believers? The BEST they can hope to do is survive as a small-scale pest because the moment they rise to the level where any modern army fears them they cease to exist. We can rain fiery death on them 24/7/365 and the only reason we don't is that it looks bad. Get that through the knot of rotted cabbage you call your brain. They exist at our sufferance because we will not, AT THIS TIME, accept the strained relations and bad press that would come from the collateral damage that wiping them out would cause. When we had to, we bombed Germany and Japan and accepted blowing up schools and hospitals because the bigger picture necessitated it. We're not close to that point now because they're ignorant rock throwers and goat-fuckers, not a danger to our way of life. If they become an actual threat the modern armies of the world will decide to accept the bad press and the collateral damage and bomb them back into the stone age. Which at their technology level is about 2 weeks ago. They're not important enough to cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war. If that happens and they become something more than a nuisance we stop pretend fighting and we turn the Middle East into a parking lot, buh-bye. Say hello to Allah.

You've been informed of how they operate because you evidently can't figure it out. Whether they're successful or not depends first on emotionally manipulating the lowest common denominator of the west, which they're evidently rather competent at.

To put that in perspective, this means IS is rather smarter than these dummies, since they literally couldn't begin to figure out what the lowest common denominator of the muslim world are doing (yet ironically think themselves above the level of actually smart people).

So be careful what you imply about the intelligence of IS given this relative standing.

This subject is a LOT more rationally discussed if one just ignores the myriad of *totally false narratives* thrown up by the forum's latest sock puppet nitwit.

He craps all over every thread on terrorism, hoping people will keep taking the bait, and expend novels worth or words debunking insane false narratives. I hate to see otherwise intelligent people keep falling so hard for it.

You can swat an annoying gnat with a rolled up newspaper and move on, no one needs to write their own newspaper first.

It's a mystery what makes you believe your peers are the informed/intelligent/rational ones. Remember to use your words rather than emotional outbursts if you care to explain.

 

[Loser Gamer]

Yes. There is going to be a war between Islam and Catholics. Oops I meant Christians since the Pope has been calling Catholics Christians. This is the perfect set up for a massive blood bath.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The original claim was that the great majority of terrorist attacks were not muslim, and it appears many are hispanics instead. But in any case if you're curious you can google the names find out more. If this proves challenging, realibrad should now be versed in its operation.

You posted a shitty list that is arguably not even comparable. Many of the examples in your list were Puerto Rican terrorists fighting for independence from the USA, committing acts of terrorism in the Puerto Rico. That's not an immigration problem as you suggested, nor is it a problem of discrimination. It's a problem of ethnic identity, which has been my point from the beginning. Social consciousness is the one of the most damaging philosophies created over the last few hundred years.

 

[agent00f]

You posted a shitty list that is arguably not even comparable. Many of the examples in your list were Puerto Rican terrorists fighting for independence from the USA, committing acts of terrorism in the Puerto Rico. That's not an immigration problem as you suggested, nor is it a problem of discrimination. It's a problem of ethnic identity, which has been my point from the beginning. Social consciousness is the one of the most damaging philosophies created over the last few hundred years.

The list is the FBI's compilation of terrorist activity within US, as might be clear enough from the title. It's probably the most complete and authoritative material on this subject. Just because you're having such trouble making heads or tails of it doesn't make it shitty.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Puerto Rico, do you know anything about it's history as an American territory? Try looking up the FALN to start with.

I looked up FALN and found this.

Start at 9:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kypl1MYuKDY

 

[Victorian Gray]

I looked up FALN and found this.

Start at 9:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kypl1MYuKDY

You've been wandering through the stupider parts of the internet I see.

 

[TheGardener]

Puerto Rico, do you know anything about it's history as an American territory? Try looking up the FALN to start with.

So you can't find anything more current than 35 years ago?

 

[Victorian Gray]

So you can't find anything more current than 35 years ago?

So, you are incapable of following and understanding a discussion thread?

 

[techne]

Terrorism is a form of war, and it's simple reality of the matter that the west labels poor people who fight that way as terrorists.

Are these poor people (financed by no one) attacking exclusively military targets? Then yes, we must call this "a form of war".

Are them exclusively (or mostly) attacking unarmed, defenseless civilians? Then we must call this "terrorism".

Words are always receiving new meanings and this is part of the universal devenir. But, at least until now, these two labels - war and terrorism - are valid in the west, in the east and also in the moon.

 

[agent00f]

Are these poor people (financed by no one) attacking exclusively military targets? Then yes, we must call this "a form of war".

Are them exclusively (or mostly) attacking unarmed, defenseless civilians? Then we must call this "terrorism".

Words are always receiving new meanings and this is part of the universal devenir. But, at least until now, these two labels - war and terrorism - are valid in the west, in the east and also in the moon.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Use google to research the history of attacking civilian targets if that's too confusing.