Do you think ATI can outdo Nvidia's 6800U?

[Auric]

According to Microsoft's Online Crash Analysis, ATI has significantly lower incident rates than NVIDIA.

 

[Insomniak]

You'd probably be fine with a 380 so long as it has a strong 12V line. Supposedly, there are some high quality 350s putting 26 amps out on the 12v.

Really tho I think it all depends on what else is suckling from the teat of your PSU. Obviously if you've got OCed RAM and a Liquid N2 cooled P4 in there, you might want to watch your step...

 

[GeneralGrievous]

My main problem is more than I don't have 2 rails to devote solely to graphics card, and that my PSU was like $20.

 

[Dman877]

Originally posted by: Auric
According to Microsoft's Online Crash Analysis, ATI has significantly lower incident rates than NVIDIA.

Good to know, but go over to rage3d forums and peruse the cat/radeon forums, they're chock full o poblems.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Dman877

Originally posted by: Auric
According to Microsoft's Online Crash Analysis, ATI has significantly lower incident rates than NVIDIA.

Good to know, but go over to rage3d forums and peruse the cat/radeon forums, they're chock full o poblems.

Plus the fact that I think people are far more likely to call their board partners instead of microsoft when they get a video problem.

Somehow, I doubt M$ OCA is a valid statistic here

 

[Gagabiji]

The only way to tell will be to wait.

 

[Acanthus]

And uhh how many nvidia cards are out there? how many ATI?

The raw number of complaints can directly relate to the number of cards out there.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
And uhh how many nvidia cards are out there? how many ATI?

The raw number of complaints can directly relate to the number of cards out there.

Like I said...relevant data is going to be basically impossible to come by....

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Dman877
ATI is by no means more stable then Nvidia, nv usually has better game compatability thanks to better drivers (historically). As to the quality, the screenies over at firingsquad have me convinced that nvidia has caught up in IQ.

agreed, as a matter of fact, i dont think ATI has ever been as compatable with as many games without issues as nvidia is and stabilty on nvidia tends to be better (historically of course)

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
lol Sneaky, that goes for any card.

i disagree.. since r420 is simply an extension of r3xx architecture. a completely new architecture is more likely to improve over time from driver optimization than an existing one... unless you think nv got it completely right out of the gate and there's nothing left to optimize....

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: Auric
If they are equal in performance then ATI still wins with better IQ, stability (MS crash info)

Better stability? Sure, whatever.

And as for the IQ, someone obviously hasn't seen the new screens taken from the 6800U.


As for the OP, anything is possible. Yes, I think the X800XT could outdo the 6800U. I also think the 6800U could outdo the X800XT. We'll have to wait and see.

well, remember this is coming from someone who states ati was better before r3xx..... 😀

 

[Shamrock]

Robert Heron of TechTV's "The Screen Savers" reviewed the new 6800Ultra, and he said the 6800 is drawing over 100w of power @ 12 amps, but he said he ran it fine on a 420w PSU.

HE also showed the difference in Farcry with PS2 vs PS3, it's like daylight and dark. He made note that it had ZERO performance loss in the process.

 

[JBT]

Its possible, It will be tough though, NV stepped up big time and improved thier image quality greatly I think it will be a pretty even fight though.

 

[reever]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
lol Sneaky, that goes for any card.

i disagree.. since r420 is simply an extension of r3xx architecture. a completely new architecture is more likely to improve over time from driver optimization than an existing one... unless you think nv got it completely right out of the gate and there's nothing left to optimize....

Completely new architecture doesnt mean much anymore, the NV40 still shares features with the NV30/35 generation

 

[reever]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
lol Sneaky, that goes for any card.

i disagree.. since r420 is simply an extension of r3xx architecture. a completely new architecture is more likely to improve over time from driver optimization than an existing one... unless you think nv got it completely right out of the gate and there's nothing left to optimize....

Completely new architecture doesnt mean much anymore, the NV40 still shares features with the NV30/35 generation

 

[ronnn]

I think Nvidia will win this round, which is really for the best. :beer: But being a sucker I am still a little disapointed that it isn't 2 - 7 times as fast.

But maybe with the bugs out and pci express and faster processors - we could see those figures come true.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: reever

Completely new architecture doesnt mean much anymore, the NV40 still shares features with the NV30/35 generation

sure it does.. and while it shares some features, most are completely new - their shader engine is completely reworked, the aa is a different method, texture filtering is different, and so on. not only that, but it does it across a completely different gpu. it's simple logic: something new takes a bit more time to mature the the fourth iteration of an existing design...

 

[Wuzup101]

I'm hoping it will be close. It really might come down to the feature set and what the release prices end up being as to what people buy. That new NV card looks real sweet, and as a person who likes to buy what's best for him regardless of brand history, I will definitely keep my eye on it. I especially like the encode/decode features and would like to know more about that nice schtuff!

I totally think ATI has the ability to match or beat the 6800... will they... never know until you can see um side by side... one thing is for sure... I need a higher rez monitor (1600x1200 Dell 20" is looking quite nice these days!)

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Auric
If they are equal in performance then ATI still wins with better IQ, stability (MS crash info), and TVO. So, even though ATI has had the performance crown for almost two years, I think they were better before that anyway and will prolly continue to be.

Haha more stable.. let's see how many people would agree with you on that... ati drivers suck next to nvidias... PERIOD

NVIDIA has better IQ BY FAR! Have you seen the new PS3.0 shots of farcry? LOOKS AMAZING! The pebbles on the beach, each one wet from the water and reflection of the sun, AMAZING. All done with displacement mapping. Plus soft shadows with the trees? To say ATI looks better with PS2.0 is talking blindly.

 

[vshah]

Originally posted by: Dman877

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
If ATI can match the 6800U with 1 molex connector, I will be VERY impressed. They just might do that with lower transistor count.

Did any of the reviews mention anything about maximum power draw on the 6800? I didn't see anything... just wondering cuz my TruePower 380 only has 18 amps on the 12v line. Hopefully nv is recommending 480 watts just to cover the noobs/oem's using generic psu's (500 WATTS FOR 15$!!!!! 🙂).

yeah, toms hardware did power draw testing. In 2d it was dead even with current high end cards, in 3d it drew a bit more power

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040414/geforce_6800-19.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040414/geforce_6800-20.html

-Vivan

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
Robert Heron of TechTV's "The Screen Savers" reviewed the new 6800Ultra, and he said the 6800 is drawing over 100w of power @ 12 amps, but he said he ran it fine on a 420w PSU.

That would be 100w @ 12V right?

So that would be around 9-10 amps @ 12V
and the highend CPUs (specially Prescott) are around the same, then add another 9-10 amps @ 12V
and then for the hdd/Cd-drives fans etc. maybe max up to 5A?

that would be ~25A @ 12V

But it didn't seem like it used much more power than the NV35/R350, and they can run fine in SFF with 250W PSUs.

I'm puzzled

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ronnn
I think Nvidia will win this round, which is really for the best. :beer: But being a sucker I am still a little disapointed that it isn't 2 - 7 times as fast.

But maybe with the bugs out and pci express and faster processors - we could see those figures come true.

Not sure if that was sarcasm but, keep in mind that this is the first installment of a new architecture coupled with beta drivers. And right out of the gate it is 9 times out of 10, 2 times faster or a little better than the current generation Ultra high end GPU's and its mostly because this card is CPU limited in most of the benches i have seen. That means, even in its current state, it has a lot more to give. We need to see what this puppy can do with a horridly overclocked system, but leave the card at stock speeds to really see what it can do. I believe it can lay waste to anything (more so than it has already) if this is done. The R420/423 may suffer the same predicament being CPU bound most of the time. Soon enough, we will see reviewers doing this or at least enthusiasts sites.

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: Dman877

Originally posted by: Auric
According to Microsoft's Online Crash Analysis, ATI has significantly lower incident rates than NVIDIA.

Good to know, but go over to rage3d forums and peruse the cat/radeon forums, they're chock full o poblems.

Plus the fact that I think people are far more likely to call their board partners instead of microsoft when they get a video problem.

Somehow, I doubt M$ OCA is a valid statistic here

Umm, OCA isnt based on people calling its based on error reporting by windows after a crash. The user can allow or disallow the error report but I dont see how that would skew the data.

And uhh how many nvidia cards are out there? how many ATI?

The raw number of complaints can directly relate to the number of cards out there.

I dont think there is a large disparity either way. Especially considering that last quarter ATI overtook nVidia in market share. Plus ATI dominates the OEM market.

 

[Nebor]

Umm, OCA isnt based on people calling its based on error reporting by windows after a crash. The user can allow or disallow the error report but I dont see how that would skew the data.

That's the little thing that pops up after an error asking if you'd like to report the problem to microsoft. Most people probably click no, but for all we know, more ATI than Nvidia people could click no. Who knows? That's why the data can't be accurate.

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Umm, OCA isnt based on people calling its based on error reporting by windows after a crash. The user can allow or disallow the error report but I dont see how that would skew the data.

That's the little thing that pops up after an error asking if you'd like to report the problem to microsoft. Most people probably click no, but for all we know, more ATI than Nvidia people could click no. Who knows? That's why .

So, "the data can't be accurate" because "more ATI than Nvidia people could click no" ?! First off its not an opinion poll. Secondly why would the brand of GPU in a users PC who suffered a crash affect whether or not they allow an error report ? There are millions of PC users out there. The vast majority dont even have a clue what GPU is in their system.