Do you think AMD will make a lower end X2 to compete w/ the popular PD 805?

[PremiumG]

Seems weird that AMD seems content with not having a low tier dual core.... U guys think they'll make one? I haven't heard any news bout it.

 

[evenmore1]

I hope so....

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Whom is the 805 popular with? OEMs? I ask because I haven't read anything to suggest it is a hot item, no pun intended.

 

[996GT2]

I don't even think the 805 is popular with OEMs. They normally start with the 820 and go from there. However, the 805 is a pretty good OCing chip, but I wouldn't say it's any competition for a 3800+ or anything like that. And I don't think AMD will slash over $100 off the 3800+ to make a cheaper chip just to compete with the 805, because the real competition is going to happen when Conroe comes out, and AMD is probably thinking up a chip to rival Conroe.

 

[sandorski]

I doubt it. If the Conroe expectations are real and AMD has no response for awhile, the 3800+ will become the 805 by default. Unless Intel chooses to maintain the Lowest end as well.

 

[Geomagick]

In the future I could imagine seeing Sempron dual core chips. These would quite effectively compete with the 805 or whatever else in in that price bracket.

I don't think there will be much effort put into this until AM2 has found its feet.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

A couple years back, I read a quote from Hector, saying AMD was being refocused to concentrate on their own future, provide their customers with the products that fulfilled their requirements, and to stop being focused on competing with Intel.

I thought it was brilliant, and so far it has worked out well for them. I believe they need to continue that focus, and not get pulled back into trying to fight Intcs' fight. Impressively, It seems they have actually managed to drag Intel into fighting theirs' for a time. My point is that, IMO, AMD needs to continue to place emphasis on developing thier products to best address their customers wants and needs, and not have a reactionary mentality to Intels' products the way they once did.

 

[Madwand1]

The 805 does address customer wants and needs. It's not hard to explain the benefits or at least draw out the desire for the supposed benefits of dual core processors to entry-level customers, and the price of those processors relative to single cores has been a sticker shock until the 805 came out. I think it was a brilliant move on Intel's part -- to catch the entry-level customer into their product line in dual core. (And if they could do something about backwards chipset compatibility, it would have been a roaring success.)

I don't think AMD can afford to make a response on a couple of different levels; they may try to continue the "premium" game with AM2, and part of that may depend on how the lower end Conroe dual processors will be priced. They may already have a low-priced DC alternative in the wings; I think they should for the above reasons. The price for the 3800+ has been falling, probably in response to the 820/920.

 

[NaOH]

I hope so but i doubt it. If anything they will sell 3800+ x2 that don't meet up to spec for cheap. My friend is looking for a dual core system that won't breakt he bank and I'm planning to build one with an 805 and asus motherboard. Just a quick question, I don't want to threadjack. I believe he would get a big performance hit for sticking with ddr1 and not going with ddr2 for his intel chip. Correct?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: AMDUALY
I hope so but i doubt it. If anything they will sell 3800+ x2 that don't meet up to spec for cheap. My friend is looking for a dual core system that won't breakt he bank and I'm planning to build one with an 805 and asus motherboard. Just a quick question, I don't want to threadjack. I believe he would get a big performance hit for sticking with ddr1 and not going with ddr2 for his intel chip. Correct?

Is there even a Dual Core capable Intel mobo that would take DDR?

regarding your question: Not really sure.

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: AMDUALY
I believe he would get a big performance hit for sticking with ddr1 and not going with ddr2 for his intel chip. Correct?

Doubt it. It's bottlenecked by the FSB, and RAM speed becomes a greater bottleneck at higher CPU speeds. Even if it is bottlenecked by RAM at the current speeds, it would be a minor one (less than 10% application performance for a 100% RAM speed increase).

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/31/tight_timings_vs_high_clock_frequencies/

Edit: However, for future upgradeability, DDR2 seems to be the way to go.

 

[zephyrprime]

It seems like AMD doesn't have a lot of extra fab capacity but has high demand for its chips so I don't think they will release any sort of budget dual core until one of those new fabs comes online which won't be until the end of the year/next year?

 

[DrMrLordX]

I doubt it. Keep in mind that s939 will be discontinued in favor of AM2, but s754 will live awhile longer as the budget socket. If AMD plans on releasing budget dual-core procs, they'd probably have to do it for s754, and with s754's lackluster memory bandwidth, that could cripple such a budget dual-core CPU horribly.

 

[Ninjaneer]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: AMDUALY
I hope so but i doubt it. If anything they will sell 3800+ x2 that don't meet up to spec for cheap. My friend is looking for a dual core system that won't breakt he bank and I'm planning to build one with an 805 and asus motherboard. Just a quick question, I don't want to threadjack. I believe he would get a big performance hit for sticking with ddr1 and not going with ddr2 for his intel chip. Correct?

Is there even a Dual Core capable Intel mobo that would take DDR?

regarding your question: Not really sure.

Asus P5P800-SE and there's an Abit I can't remember, assuming you weren't referring to Intel as the manufacturer.

 

[Markfw]

To AMDUALLY : It doesn't matter on the performance hit on DDR. Its so doggy with DDR2, how would you notice going down to DDR ? Slow to slower ? (comparing my dog 820@3.43)

I don't think they will come out with a slower one. The 3800 was it for them.

 

[Madwand1]

I see no reason to expect the 754 to get a brand new dual core part when there's an up & coming unified mainstream/consumer/enthusiast socket coming, which would be much easier to target for a new dual core. So the questions are: Will there be an even cheaper AM2 dual core? What will it cost? How will it perform? The last question is the least important IMO in this entry-level space, it's about getting the cheapest part that is a dual core into the hands of people getting their first dual core system.

This of course is not good enough for actual performance enthusiasts, who will likely have to look farther than the cheapest parts available, and if price is a big factor, will likely find faster single cores more suitable in some cases. Moreover, enthusists might find that the cheapest dual core parts are somewhat crippled in comparison to the "regular" parts, and this could be a deliberate move on the part of the manufacturer done in order to target this part to the entry level, and not cut too much into the enthusiast space.

 

[Zap]

I'm actually looking forward to what AM2 will bring to the budget enthusiast by combining all CPUs into one common platform. Right now people argue over socket 754 versus 939 because (with some clunky exceptions) you can choose the cheap one or the "better" one, but you can't get both. Imagine if you can get those cheap $80 Palermo 2800+ chips running on a DFI Ultra-D? Well, supposedly AM2 will give us that. People going "on the cheap" won't be ridiculed for not getting the "better and futureproof" platform, though we all know now how "futureproof" socket 939 is.

With Conroe and AM2, my interest lies in a budget Sempron (since they will be "officially" available for AM2) on AM2 with a good-yet-budget overclocker board (perhaps Epox/Biostar/Chaintech?). Take an under $200 mobo/CPU combo and overclock it to all get out!!! :thumbsup:

 

[F1shF4t]

it would be great if they brough out a cheap 1.6ghz 512cache x2, would replace my 3200+ in my second comp. Dual core even at lower speed makes a huge diff in usage. Ie, try dual priming, encoding dvd, watching tv and playing a game at the same time on a single core
So if amd brings out a cheap dual core i bet there is gonna be a huge market for em.

Dual core sempron for socket 939 or even 754 would be awsome also

 

[DrMrLordX]

I retract what I said, looks like Semprons for AM2 will be coming out now that the AM2 price list has been released to the public. Both s754 and s939 may be down for the count on the desktop.

 

[Madwand1]

Unfortunately that price list also shows that there are no new cheap dual cores in AM2 (who know about the far future, but there are no indications for it.)

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1601

 

[bunnyfubbles]

If you consider "far" future the dwindling number of months between now and Conroe, I'd bet the bank AMD will start pumping out some cheap dualcores unless they can somehow compete.

 

[hans007]

seriously doubt amd will make a cheaper dual core.

hector ruiz has said they would if needed move capacity over to higher margin chips as they do not have tons of capacity.

seeing as all their chips seem to run at 2.4 ghz + anyway, amd probably could just shift all production to 4400+ chips and up if they wanted and make more money. i mean they need money to buy equipment for 65nm etc.


if they producted a 1.8 ghz dual core 512k (lets call it a x2 3500+ or something) then presumeably that core would work at 2.4+ ghz and just be taking away money that they coudl be making selling say another 4400+ or an opteron.

so yeah probably not.

intel on the other hand has tons of extra capacity and a boatload of old smithfield chips to dump. hence the 805. they didnt make the 805 to specifically sell as the 805. they are making it to dump smithfield cores, since all the new cores at the preseler.

and they dont want to kill presler sales by dumping 820s and 830s so they just repackage the chips as 805 so they can sell both 805 chips and 920s etc.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
A couple years back, I read a quote from Hector, saying AMD was being refocused to concentrate on their own future, provide their customers with the products that fulfilled their requirements, and to stop being focused on competing with Intel.

I thought it was brilliant, and so far it has worked out well for them. I believe they need to continue that focus, and not get pulled back into trying to fight Intcs' fight. Impressively, It seems they have actually managed to drag Intel into fighting theirs' for a time. My point is that, IMO, AMD needs to continue to place emphasis on developing thier products to best address their customers wants and needs, and not have a reactionary mentality to Intels' products the way they once did.

That sounds good, but Hector must have fallen off the wagon when AMD challenged Intel publicly to compete against their A64.

 

[robertk2012]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
A couple years back, I read a quote from Hector, saying AMD was being refocused to concentrate on their own future, provide their customers with the products that fulfilled their requirements, and to stop being focused on competing with Intel.

I thought it was brilliant, and so far it has worked out well for them. I believe they need to continue that focus, and not get pulled back into trying to fight Intcs' fight. Impressively, It seems they have actually managed to drag Intel into fighting theirs' for a time. My point is that, IMO, AMD needs to continue to place emphasis on developing thier products to best address their customers wants and needs, and not have a reactionary mentality to Intels' products the way they once did.

That worked for AMD because they had a better chip and this is what happens when you ignore the competition. Intel is coming at AMD from all directions.