Do you support the amendment to ban flag burning

[sandorski]

The Daily Show did a good bit on the issue.

1) explained the Amendment
2) showed the militaries manual on properly disposing(burning) of old flags
3) then stated that a suggested practice for old flags was proposed showing a pic of an old flag in a hospital bed hooked up to life support!

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: daveshel
2. Guys and their brothers who are being fired upon would probably find that their energies are better spent shooting back instead of trying to raise a flag.

That was low. Why don't you spit in their face while you're at it. The military has deep rooted traditions that are aimed at getting mere men to fight under incredible duress. Focusing on symbols that represent concpets bigger than themselves is part of how they achieve this. For them, the flag was a symbol, a symbol worth dieing for. I'm not in favor of the amendment bannig flag burning, but you do us no favor by such a stupid and short sighted statement.

Agreed. His flippant remark shows a lot of class :roll:

sbacpo: good words...

 

[Drift3r]

No gay marriage issue to rattle cages over or at least it hasn't been in the forefront as of late....braindead women is already dead....guess that leaves the banning of flag burning because we all know that flag stands for freedom so we should ban the ability to freely burn it.....yup that sounds about right.

 

[realsup]

If flag burning is allowed then so should desocrating the Quran.

 

[realsup]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Jmman
So if flag burning is not a big deal as many here say, why the furor over the koran at gitmo? I say if flag burning is good, crapping on the koran should be good as well......

You can't be serious, but in case you're really that dense...

At Gitmo, we are not dealing with anyone's right of free expression on U.S. soil in a free exchange of ideas. We're dealing with American representatives (U.S. troops) dealing with the rights of foreign prisoners to respect for their religious beliefs. We're also dealing with a horrendous public relations nightmare with the entire Islamic world where we're already highly suspect, and we need any real friends we can find.

I'll get back to my original statement -- You can't be serious. :roll:

Guess should have read some of the thread.

Anyways. If Islamists burn our flag then we get the right to kill people! Yay! Thanks for being so smart.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: sbacpo
1. The degree of furor this issue gives rise to indicates that it may be a more effective form of protest than you think.

Maybe but without doing a google search tell me when the last time someone burned a flag in this country and what the issue was.


2. Guys and their brothers who are being fired upon would probably find that their energies are better spent shooting back instead of trying to raise a flag.

The next time you talk to one of those guys make sure you tell them how screwed up they were OK. The fact that they were out there risking their lives trying to raise or save the flag should tell you exactly how emotional an issue this is for them.

obviously, this isnt the "last time" a flag was burned but around the time of the start of the iraq war, the younger brother of one of my friends had his picture on the internet lighting his cigarette off the american flag while it burned.
did it make the news?
no.
did everyone in the town he came from see it?
yes.

ive seen the picture but hell if i know what his message was (not sure he had one) but he was pretty much abandoned by the town and his family afterwards.

 

[piasabird]

I dont think they should arrest people for burning a Flag, they should arrest them for creating a public hazard by burning something in a public place. How come you cant claim that fireworks or firecrackers are freedom of speech, but it works for the Flag?

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I dont think they should arrest people for burning a Flag, they should arrest them for creating a public hazard by burning something in a public place. How come you cant claim that fireworks or firecrackers are freedom of speech, but it works for the Flag?

as far as i know there are ordinances against burning things in public. but special permission can be granted for certain things. if you plan on burning a flag at a demonstration, you most likely have to get permission anyway. but if you do it on private property then you can do whatever you wish. granted most demonstrations do not happen on private property.

 

[Jakebrake]

Originally posted by: cquark
As the amendment protects against any flag desecration, this amendment will have many unforseen consequences. How about all the various types of merchandise that have flags on them? Here's how one person dealt with the dangers of owning a credit card with a flag on it. From http://www.discourse.net/archives/2005/...lag_desecration_in_every_day_life.html

We got new credit cards in the mail. Unlike the old ones, which were very neutral, a sort of bluish with some lines on it ? and noted a tie-in to a frequent flier program ? the new ones instead sport a loud rendition of a portion of a rippling American flag. It is not a nice picture. It looks like a cheap political mailing (and the absence of the tie-in raises the specter that the bank is contemplating ending its role as generator of volume frequent flier miles).

I want to call to complain. My spouse, who is not a US citizen and thus more in fear of Big Brother, argues that it is not wise to call anyone to complain about an American flag.

Thus, today?s consumer ? financial services provider interaction

Recorded voice: Welcome to {mega card}. To utilize our automated sevices press or say one?.please touchtone or say your sixteen digit account number NOW.

[Lots of beeps] Thank you. Press one for?

[Frantic repeated pressing of the ?0? key]

Female voice: Welcome to {mega card}. May I have the name on the card please? Thank you. What is your middle initial? What is your code word? No, that?s not it. Yes, that?s it, thank you. How can I help you?

Me: We received our new credit cards today. They have a picture of the American flag on them. I don?t think this is an appropriate use of the American flag. The card will get dirty, it will have stuff run over it, this will amount to flag desecration. It?s not right.

Female voice (afer slight delay) : would you like to speak to a supervisor and see what he can do for you?

[minute wait, listening to hold muzak]

Female voice: I have an account executive ready to speak to you.

Male voice: Hello, this is John, what is the problem?

Me: We received our new credit cards today. They have a picture of the American flag on them. I don?t think this is an appropriate use of the American flag. The card will get dirty, it will have stuff run over it, it?s a form of flag desecration. Can I have one that wouldn?t be so offensive?

John: Let me put you on hold.

[Delay of under a minute]

John: We?ll address that for you.

Me: What does that mean?

John: We?ll get you a new card without the flag picture on it.

Me: Thank you. [Sudden inspiration.] One other thing. How do I dispose of this card? Normally I?d cut it up, but I don?t want to do that.

John: (after minuscule pause) You could put it in a safe or other secure location.

Me: If I had a safe. Right. Thank you.
John: Goodbye.

lol

Actually, the proper way to dispose of a flag is to burn it.