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Do You Support Longshoremen Or Shipping Companies?

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Ornery

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Shipping Companies Gain Upper Hand
  • "Although it was a lockout by shipping companies and not a dockworker strike that Bush ended, his invoking of the Taft-Hartley Act gave employers the ability to drag the dockworkers' union before a federal judge on charges of deliberately slowing the pace of work."
Longshoremen, Managers Have Widely Different Views of Truth
  • "As shipping companies contemplate how to upgrade the technology used in their businesses, they are running into stiff resistance from the longshoremen's union. The issue is among the most contentious in the contract talks.

    "The union's technology proposal provides for manning quotas that actually increase the number of clerks on the job. It also expands union jurisdiction to give the union jobs currently performed by management, thereby increasing costs. The union proposed a dispute resolution process that would essentially create a filibuster mechanism to keep technology from being implemented," according to the PMA.

    Stallone responded by claiming the "PMA has a brilliant way of saying that black is white. They just flat out lie sometimes," he said.
 
  • My other poll was too biased...
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Originally posted by: Ornery
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Hahah show me something that you post that isn't?🙂 The way I see it is any extra compensation for the workers is just going to cost the consumers more. As a consumer I am against the Dock Wokers Union.
 
"its latest contract offer calls for longshoremen to eventually earn $114,500 and marine clerks $137,500"
"Two-thirds of the people who work on the docks do not work full-time because it's a casual industry"

Wow I'd love to work part time walking around writing cargo numbers on a clipboard and earn an average of $114,500 per year. People who strike in this type of situtaion make me sick. Like baseball players. $100 million isn't enough? Give me a break. Maybe if this didn't affect millions of other people, then it wouldn't be as big of a deal. But since tons of people unrelated to the shipping business are being laid off until they get supplies, I really am against the strikers.
 
Good Lord, it's not like I'm the ONLY one with a "biased" poll. Sheesh!

If the owner of a business can't get qualified people to do the job for X amount of dollars, he has to cough up more. Simple really. The UPS drivers went on strike and few replacements could be found. They're apparently paid about right. In this case, it's only through extortion these guys can keep pulling down these benefits and wages.

It's not just their wages either. The union?s demand to control any new jobs that would come with the introduction of modern cargo-handling technology. Sounds fair, eh? 😕
 
I throw freight for practically nothing.

How do I get one of those union jobs? I'd gladly throw it for only half of $114,500. 🙂

Oh...wait a minute...technically I probably wouldn't even be throwing it since I'd get to use powered equipment...
 
I think everyone should make as much money as possable. I want all you Anandtech folks to be rich and happy. I would hope you wish the same for me.
 
Unions have had their fifteen minutes and need to just go away. If you don't like a job, go somewhere else or start one yourself, it's as simple as that.
 
"I think everyone should make as much money as possable."

Via any means possible? Would bilking old ladies out of their life savings be OK? How about calling a strike, leaving your employer twisting in the wind, till you got your way?
 
I used to be union and can state with all confidence that there is not a single union in the U.S. that is as interested in it's members welfare as it is in protecting itself. Back in the old days unions had a justifiable place to protect workers from unsafe working conditions, but now they're mostly rip-offs that collect dues for the sole purpose of paying for their own existence. They're a bit like the federal government when you think about it.

In my industry about 3/4 the people in the state are union and the other 1/4 are not union by their own choice. The non-union workers get the same pay and benefits as union, but don't have to pay dues. Every year the union forces a vote in the non-union work areas to try to get them to go union and every year it's voted down. Following each vote the union hires unemployed transients to picket the non-union work areas on the basis that they're being unfair to their workers while it's the workers themselves who reject the union. Bah! The days of only having a single job choice because the coal mines are the only available job in a 300 mile radius are long past us and any company that treats it's workers so badly that they would need a union would fail anyway. Screw unions, they're bloated, corrupt, whiny and accomplish nothing but to hold hostage the people that are paying them. Mostly strike talks and hardball contract negotiations are ploys to justify themselves to the union members that they're robbing. If they didn't occasionally do something to draw attention to themselves the members would start to question why they needed a union in the first place. It's exactly the same reason that a presidents approval rating goes up in times of war. You circle the wagons and support the leadership even if you don't agree with what they're doing. The unions create conflict to solidify thei position, nothing more.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
"I think everyone should make as much money as possable."
Via any means possible? Would bilking old ladies out of their life savings be OK? How about calling a strike, leaving your employer twisting in the wind, till you got your way?
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Calling a strike. Absolutely. Of course that's a horrible thing to do because we all know that companies, being the benevolent, altruistic organizations they are wouldn't even think of laying you off or cutting your pay so some jackass could still get his bonus.
 
I want old ladies to make as much money as possible also.

Are you their boss or something? What's wrong with other people making a good living? You liberal Pinko creeps want everyone to starve to death and get paid nothing.

Just one question... How does their salary effect you? Or are you just fighting for your Commie agenda?
 
I'm actually just kidding... Socialists are cool also, even though they have some crazy ideals.
 
Originally posted by: Thera
How does their salary effect you? Or are you just fighting for your Commie agenda?
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When I'm a farmer and my crop has spoiled waiting for people earning $100,000+ per year wanting more for easy work. When I can't buy the wine I want since the corks are still sitting on a ship. When I can't buy the computer parts my kids want for Christmas since they are still sitting on the ships. When I have to watch my friends get laid off until their employers can get their needed supplies - they just are sitting on the ships. That's how their salary affects me. I'm fighting for my rights - they are fighting to keep being inefficient. Other ports the same size around the world can get 3 times the amount of cargo in and out. We could too - without firing any dock workers - if they would just let some computers help out.

 
"Are you their boss or something? What's wrong with other people making a good living?"

I'm against extortion at any level. Same as I'm against scam artists robbing old ladies. Should it bother me that these old people are getting ripped off? Doesn't concern me, right?



"...altruistic organizations..."

Yep, that's why people start businesses, so that our citizens will have a livelihood etc.
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We live in an us against them world, a world seen as a pie. I want a bigger piece and anybody else getting anything at all is taking it from my share. In an us against them world everything is based on force. I get what I get because I have found a way to take it. 1% owns as much as the bottom 90%. 350 of the worlds richest people own more than the 2/3 of the rest of mankind. There is no real need to worry about unions. They are just temporary stays in the march to one man owning it all. The need to focus only on getting your share will insure that none of this will ever be seen until it's too late.
 
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