Do you share the same political views as your parents?

[Mr. Lennon]

Martin loves to leave that quote which was taken out of context. I don't want a muslim, athiest or gay for president because they don't share my beliefs. Big difference.

But yeah, I used to think the world was so unfair because of healthcare, the poor, the hungry, the homeless, all the downtrodden and just how unfair it all was. Why modern society just shouldn't have these atrocities and government was the solution to provide for everybody needs.

Then I stuggled to put food in my belly and a roof over my head and worked my ass off because I never wanted to be poor again. THAT's when I changed. If my lazy ass can do it, anybody can. Only got more libertarian/conservative as my tax bill grew. Every political poll I've ever taken in the last 5-10 years puts me squarely as a Capitalist.

The old saying really is true, if you vote repub when you're under 30 you have no heart.
If you vote Dem over 30 you have no brain.

I remember reading the thread that quote came from, but ill admit I forgot the original context it was in.

Regardless, that is one of the many posts in where you have displayed your prejudice and disdain for those groups of people.

I can understand becoming fiscally conservative during your hard road to success...but the hate you have towards these groups of people has always been with you and was probably ingrained from an early age.

 

[Bowfinger]

[ ... ]
The old saying really is true, if you vote repub when you're under 30 you have no heart. If you vote Dem over 30 you have no brain.

Yes, the RNC has a great indoctrination machine that excels at using simple bumper-sticker sloganeering to sway the feeble-minded. The real world is much more complex, dare I say more nuanced, than that.

(Yes, the Dems do it too. They're just not as effective at it.)

 

[werepossum]

My folks are conservative Democrats who almost always vote Republican, although my mother often likes people like Clinton and Edwards. I was way more liberal when I was young, but like Spidey reality (and Reagan) intruded and I became much more conservative. As it stands I am much more socially liberal (gay marriage, fish vs farmers) and less willing to compromise others' freedom for my comfort. I chose the first option 'cause it fits the best since I usually hold my nose and vote Republican nowadays - although if the Libertarian Party gets its heart right on the wars and immigration I'll happily return to voting big L.

Zeppelin you must be quite young. It's hard to have strong feelings for or against a whole group of people until you have really experienced them - unless your parents really instill you with hatred, then you tend to grow out of that when you learn people aren't as easily grouped as you think when you're young. I was fortunate in that my parents were hell on prejudice and the "N" word (our only sizable "group") was verboten, so not having grown up using it I don't have to worry about it slipping out.

 

[MJinZ]

Parents are democrats but pretty unpolitical (they don't really give a shit).

There is no difference between fiscal and social policy. If you are liberal/conservative in one and not the other, you are just confused. Money and Power are, and always will be intricately weaved into what we to refer to as "Social" issues.

 

[Bowfinger]

[ ... ]
Zeppelin you must be quite young. It's hard to have strong feelings for or against a whole group of people until you have really experienced them - unless your parents really instill you with hatred, then you tend to grow out of that when you learn people aren't as easily grouped as you think when you're young. I was fortunate in that my parents were hell on prejudice and the "N" word (our only sizable "group") was verboten, so not having grown up using it I don't have to worry about it slipping out.

Not necessarily. One tends to grow out of those prejudices *IF* he is in an environment where he's exposed to a variety of the people he hates. If he is surrounded by people like himself, however, the prejudice often gets stronger with time. Spidey has bragged about how he relies on the people he works with for his beliefs. Given his unusually strong and consistently misinformed views, it's easy to guess he is in an echo chamber of equally ignorant and bigoted people. That is only a guess, of course.

 

[Noobtastic]

My entire family is a bunch of raging-progressives psychos ready to cut themselves to appease communist dictators and their islamist allies.

seriously. Total fear-mongers.

My sister dreams about blowing Barack Obama.

I know this because she tells me all the time.

UGH FML.

 

[werepossum]

Parents are democrats but pretty unpolitical (they don't really give a shit).

There is no difference between fiscal and social policy. If you are liberal/conservative in one and not the other, you are just confused. Money and Power are, and always will be intricately weaved into what we to refer to as "Social" issues.

Bullshit. There is a world of difference between thinking someone should have the right to do something and thinking that he should have my hard-earned money to facilitate his doing it, not to mention thinking that the government should use its power of potential imprisonment and violence to forcible take my money and redistribute it. This is where conservatives, libertarians, and classic liberals differ vastly from progressives, who think that having the right to do something equals an entitlement to the funds necessary to do it.

If that is not clear, I believe that someone should have the right to place a crucifix in a jar of urine and call it art, and to sell it should he happen upon another idiot. I do not believe that he has the right to receive tax dollars to subsidize his "art" should he be unable to find enough idiots to support him in the lifestyle to which he would like to become accustomed. That is socially liberal and fiscally conservative - freedom, private property rights, and common sense.

Good point, Bowfinger, although not everyone with whom you disagree matches the picture you would paint of them. People have a variety of reasons for believing as they do, and plenty of people dislike certain groups (if not necessarily all the people in those groups) for perfectly valid reasons and experiences. Personally I care not a whit what people believe as long as they neither hurt me (or the environment, or my friends and family, etc.) nor ask that I subsidize them.

 

[Joepublic2]

Voted "No, I have different views now than my Democrat parents."

My parents both pretty much tow the Democratic party line, which is anything but liberal. Modern democratic party politics have embraced all the worst parts of liberal thought and rejected it's positive aspects to a degree that I feel I don't have anything in common with said politics. "Classical" liberal and "classical" conservative ideology are both leaps and bounds better then the mishmash of crap ideas presented by the modern democratic and republican parties in the US. To elaborate a bit neo-liberal economics and "trickle down" economic theory as advocated by republicans and democrats alike (see: tarp and the rest of the economic bailout) is basically a recipe for ensuring that the majority of the worlds population are on the fast track to becoming impoverished, ignorant serfs.

 

[MJinZ]

Bullshit. There is a world of difference between thinking someone should have the right to do something and thinking that he should have my hard-earned money to facilitate his doing it, not to mention thinking that the government should use its power of potential imprisonment and violence to forcible take my money and redistribute it. This is where conservatives, libertarians, and classic liberals differ vastly from progressives, who think that having the right to do something equals an entitlement to the funds necessary to do it.

If that is not clear, I believe that someone should have the right to place a crucifix in a jar of urine and call it art, and to sell it should he happen upon another idiot. I do not believe that he has the right to receive tax dollars to subsidize his "art" should he be unable to find enough idiots to support him in the lifestyle to which he would like to become accustomed. That is socially liberal and fiscally conservative - freedom, private property rights, and common sense.

Good point, Bowfinger, although not everyone with whom you disagree matches the picture you would paint of them. People have a variety of reasons for believing as they do, and plenty of people dislike certain groups (if not necessarily all the people in those groups) for perfectly valid reasons and experiences. Personally I care not a whit what people believe as long as they neither hurt me (or the environment, or my friends and family, etc.) nor ask that I subsidize them.

Hitler wanted to kill Jews.
Most people live and let live.
Some people go out of their way to help Jews.

Your fiscal policy IS your social policy. You just haven't thought about it enough to realize it. You are Liberal, Conservative, or middle of the road. You can't be more than one.

Your example is perfect. You basically said that you are "independent" or middle of the road. You are not liberal because you will only help those you like. You are not conservative because you don't try to get rid of those you don't like (trying to "conserve").

Most people tend to be middle of the road, neither liberal nor conservative because of the high amount of influence of American Culture which stresses individuality and the American Dream. There are some who will go out of their way to try to change others they don't like or feel befit in society, and others who will try to help others simply from an empathetic stand-point.

PS. No government will subsidize ridiculousness. If our society lacks art, then government will likely give grants or money for "art", and whatever that ends up being is artistic licensed.

For the record, assuming that I believe there is a continuum between Liberal - Moderate - Conservative, I lean closer to being Liberal. However, as with many quantum situations, removing the continuum, I do not possess enough excitation energy to proceed from Moderate to Liberal. In a quantum world, I am moderate.

 

[werepossum]

Hitler wanted to kill Jews.
Most people live and let live.
Some people go out of their way to help Jews.

Your fiscal policy IS your social policy. You just haven't thought about it enough to realize it. You are Liberal, Conservative, or middle of the road. You can't be more than one.

Your example is perfect. You basically said that you are "independent" or middle of the road. You are not liberal because you will only help those you like. You are not conservative because you don't try to get rid of those you don't like (trying to "conserve").

Most people tend to be middle of the road, neither liberal nor conservative because of the high amount of influence of American Culture which stresses individuality and the American Dream. There are some who will go out of their way to try to change others they don't like or feel befit in society, and others who will try to help others simply from an empathetic stand-point.

PS. No government will subsidize ridiculousness. If our society lacks art, then government will likely give grants or money for "art", and whatever that ends up being is artistic licensed.

For the record, assuming that I believe there is a continuum between Liberal - Moderate - Conservative, I lean closer to being Liberal. However, as with many quantum situations, removing the continuum, I do not possess enough excitation energy to proceed from Moderate to Liberal. In a quantum world, I am moderate.

LOL I like that. By your quantum scale though I am not middle of the road, but bounce between far right and far left. I am thus an unstable political particle.

The crucifix in urine was federally subsidized though, as was the Madonna "painted" in elephant dung. There are evidently enough idiots to make displaying them worthwhile, but not enough idiots willing to pay to see them to make it economically feasible. Enter the federal government. That seems pretty ridiculous to me.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

None of the above. Your poll assumes everyone is either a Rep or Dem.

 

[Tristicus]

I don't identify strictly with a party, so I'm not voting.

 

[bfdd]

My parents are "republicans" they aren't hard core righties, but they more than lean right. I think of myself somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. Can't really vote though because I'm not sure if they're registered Republicans or not. Seems like you're trying to get people to fit a "mold."

 

[MJinZ]

LOL I like that. By your quantum scale though I am not middle of the road, but bounce between far right and far left. I am thus an unstable political particle.

The crucifix in urine was federally subsidized though, as was the Madonna "painted" in elephant dung. There are evidently enough idiots to make displaying them worthwhile, but not enough idiots willing to pay to see them to make it economically feasible. Enter the federal government. That seems pretty ridiculous to me.

Yea, you may have far left and far right opinions on some issues, but for most issues, and on median you are still a moderate.

It's like mixed races. If you're 1/2 black, you're still black (quantum black). If you're 3/4 white and 1/4 black, like some very light black people, you're still considered black (quantum black). If you're 7/8 white and 1/4 black and you basically appear completely white, then you're quantum white (you overcame the energy necessary to proceed an energy state).

Which is to say, even though I do have many empathetic leanings and in a continuum, I will lean left, the fact that I enjoy many self-centered and hold some righteous beliefs (like believing responsibility and deservedness for my own work etc) prevents me from overcoming the energy necessary to be "left". I am 3/4 white and 1/4 black, so I'm still black.

 

[SirStev0]

Every girl I have ever met who claimed to be republican were usually just parroting the rants of their Reagan-Worshiping fathers.
I found if you want a quick litmus test just ask them who Barry Goldwater was.


With that said, I am not anywhere near my parents. My mom is a populist republican and my dad is a socially conservative democrat (you have to live in a union area to understand that one).

I am an pessimistic libertarian intellectualist. Basically I believe the world is fucked because the majority is either too dumb or too greedy to do things right. So just leave me the fuck alone.

 

[SirStev0]

Also this poll is shit. My parents are a split and to be honest I haven't met a family that both parents were completely on one side or the other (well a normal family anyway, I guess families like the Phelps out in Iowa or whereever the fuck, both sides there are republicans.).

 

[SirStev0]

Martin loves to leave that quote which was taken out of context. I don't want a muslim, athiest or gay for president because they don't share my beliefs. Big difference.

But yeah, I used to think the world was so unfair because of healthcare, the poor, the hungry, the homeless, all the downtrodden and just how unfair it all was. Why modern society just shouldn't have these atrocities and government was the solution to provide for everybody needs.

Then I stuggled to put food in my belly and a roof over my head and worked my ass off because I never wanted to be poor again. THAT's when I changed. If my lazy ass can do it, anybody can. Only got more libertarian/conservative as my tax bill grew. Every political poll I've ever taken in the last 5-10 years puts me squarely as a Capitalist.

The old saying really is true, if you vote repub when you're under 30 you have no heart.
If you vote Dem over 30 you have no brain.

Winston Churchill is rolling in his grave.

 

[Infohawk]

Poll sucks.

Yup.

 

[Bowfinger]

Good point, Bowfinger, although not everyone with whom you disagree matches the picture you would paint of them. People have a variety of reasons for believing as they do, and plenty of people dislike certain groups (if not necessarily all the people in those groups) for perfectly valid reasons and experiences. Personally I care not a whit what people believe as long as they neither hurt me (or the environment, or my friends and family, etc.) nor ask that I subsidize them.

Absolutely agree. Things are rarely black and white with people. Like all generalizations, there are many exceptions when talking about human beings with all of our foibles and idiosyncrasies.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Your poll is absolutely crappy.

Having said that, I kind of do. I'm more center-left/center-right, while my parents are a lot more right-wing - though not nearly as right-wing as American Republicans are.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

My parents were democrats, but usually pretty apathetic in general. They do hate black people (our family grew up outside Baltimore City).

They always told me that Democrats tend to watch out for the little people more. As my parents grew older, and older. They grew more conservative, they all perfered Hillary and McCain over Obama.

When I was growing up during the Clinton years all the way up until September 11, I was rah-rah America is the best country in the world. Alot of shady shit went down, the Patriot Act, like the Iraq War, finding no weapons of mass destruction changed alot of my views and I started questioning things.

So what country is better then the US now that you would be willing to give up your citizenship to move and live there?

 

[Mani]

Dad is a moderate conservative who got disgusted and started voting democrat when Bush II came along, Mom is a bleeding heart liberal. I lean left, though I'm generally pro-gun, not a fan of entitlements, and big on personal responsibility.

 

[Fayd]

largely i'm fairly close to my parents in terms of political stance.

on some specific social issues, though, i either don't care or disagree with them.

btw, poll sucks. there's more than 2 political parties, and people arent completely divided into 2 groups.

 

[Perknose]

I was quite liberal/progressive when I was in college/20s, always butting heads with my parents. They kept telling me I'd see the "real world" a little differently when I was in it for a while and grew up.

Boy were they ever right wing.

My parents were both life-long Republicans, but of the laid back, principled kind that seem to hardly even exist anymore. They mostly just wanted to keep more of their hard earned money. They would have quietly thought the Beck/Limbaugh/Falwell types to be literally beneath their contempt, however.

I grew up on a block where almost everyone simply and as a matter of course displayed the flag on Flag day and the Fourth of July and Memorial Day, but where I never heard one word of discontent about those few who didn't.

Patriotism was something that was assumed everyone possessed as a matter of course, and it was low key and not flashed around like a status symbol.

There was zero talk of any true America and non-true America.

In the ninth grade, I led a spirited effort among the guys that resulted in the ninth grade, and ONLY the ninth grade in my small, combined Junior/Senior High School (7th-12th) of 600 students to be the one grade that voted for Barry Goldwater in that landslide year for LBJ.

And you know it was a landslide year because 1964 was the first time ever in the 20th century that my staunchly Republican county voted for a Democrat for President -- we even went for Alf Landon in the Roosevelt landslide election of 1936!

And yet, I was also the only student in my 7th grade class who split his ticket in our mock PA elections for Senator and Governor, so I was definitely thinking for myself even back then.

In my Senior year of High School we had to write a ten page paper for "history" class. I wrote a stirring, 33 page paper in support of the Vietnam War.

Then, I put my body where my mouth was.

Following the reality of that experience, I evolved and matured, both personally and politically, and am now honored to stand in the proud American Liberal Progessive tradition of Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, and the very best parts of Lyndon Baines Johnson, all mixed in with the very American best of Wendell Wilkie, Robert Howard Taft, General of the Army Dwight David Eisenhower, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and the very best of, yes, Richard Milhous Nixon.

From the beginning, I have always been registered as an Independent, but I did purposely change my registration to Democrat in 2008 as a reminder to myself that the one thing our grand Republic needed most was to put an abrupt and definite end to the Bush/Cheney/Neocon cabal that so successfully pandered to the coercive, crazy, "Christian" right.

And so, here I am today, having come a long way from the slogan I ended that HS history paper with so long ago, "American, Right or Wrong", but still in love with the highest ideals of this grand and still unfolding experiment in governance that is The United States of America.

And THIS most certainly makes me one with my parent's legacy, for they were quietly but surely in love with and grateful for the same.

It's said that the ghost of Daniel Webster, whenever encountered, was sure to ask, "How goes the Republic?"

May that question forever be answered, "She stands."

 

[HamburgerBoy]

My mom is a social conservative and my dad wants to be a social libertarian, but blows it every time he walks into a casino and sees poor people on the slots smoking cigarettes. Otherwise, we basically agree politically.