do you respect differing opinions?

[sm625]

In some cases yes. When the differences are based core beliefs that are defensible. For example, abortion. Both sides have decent arguments and thus you have to respect both sides. But being for illegal immigration? Being for the drug war? All this stupid "war on X" crap that has lead to nothing but more of X? Those types of beliefs are indefensible and inexcusable and I do not and never will respect them.

 

[dank69]

In some cases yes. When the differences are based core beliefs that are defensible. For example, abortion. Both sides have decent arguments and thus you have to respect both sides. But being for illegal immigration? Being for the drug war? All this stupid "war on X" crap that has lead to nothing but more of X? Those types of beliefs are indefensible and inexcusable and I do not and never will respect them.

I don't know anybody that is "for illegal immigration." I suspect it is nothing more than a straw man interpretation of arguments like "building a wall isn't going to significantly impact illegal immigration" or "rounding up illegals and deporting them isn't practical and will most likely infringe upon the rights of legitimate citizens in the process, so it might be better to give them a path to citizenship and incentives to use it."

 

[1prophet]

Welcome to civility 101. Amazing how not having a threat of physical or emotional violence will let the inner assholes in all of us come out. I tend to think overall the lack of civility on the internet is a bad thing. It will and has bled over into real life.

I rather have a few inner assholes posting on the internet than someone with the ability to silence those they disagree with using the threat of violence whatever form it may take under the guise of maintaining peace and civility for our own good, also known as the hecklers veto.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

I used to me far more tolerant of the left than I am today. Too many years of being called a "RACIST!!!" because I refuse to ignore obvious truths have brought me to this.

So now I'm at the point where I'll still engage them in discussion but once they become irrational I see no constructive reason to grant them a respect that they all so eagerly deny to me.

 

[Moonbeam]

So, what about when someone's educated opinion differs from yours - do you consider it "willful ignorance" just because it's different from your educated opinion?

I've met too many on here who consider others "willfully ignorant" "stupid" "lacking self awareness" (and so forth) simply for having a different opinion. Regardless of how much you may, or may not, have researched a subject - isn't it a bit big-headed to consider any opinion different from one's own to be offensively inferior? Especially after that person is able to clarify reasons for holding his position?

You can tell me all day why 2+2=3 but you will still be wrong. People who do not rationalize are not able to have opinions. How can you know that what is not proven to be true can actually be true. How, for example, would a person lacking self awareness have any idea that he or she did? Without a knowledge of unconscious motivation how can you actually know anything. What you will have for opinions are unconscious unexamined assumptions.

 

[dank69]

I used to me far more tolerant of the left than I am today. Too many years of being called a "RACIST!!!" because I refuse to ignore obvious truths have brought me to this.

So now I'm at the point where I'll still engage them in discussion but once they become irrational I see no constructive reason to grant them a respect that they all so eagerly deny to me.

There are no obvious truths

 

[Moonbeam]

I used to me far more tolerant of the left than I am today. Too many years of being called a "RACIST!!!" because I refuse to ignore obvious truths have brought me to this.

So now I'm at the point where I'll still engage them in discussion but once they become irrational I see no constructive reason to grant them a respect that they all so eagerly deny to me.

You are a racist not because of the reasons you think. You are a racist because your racism shows you half truths which you take to represent all of it. You see only the stereotypical results of what racism has done to blacks and not how that damage has become semi-permanent, just like the bias that infects you, you have no idea exists thus no plan to escape it. You are just a self justifying bigot with all the denial that goes with the turf. You are fucked up and that makes you see what you see. You seek the comfort of blaming others for conditions they have no control over any more than you can control that need to blame.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

There are no obvious truths

Is water wet? Is it a bright idea to make a policy of spending more money than you have/make? Is it smart to befriend people who hate you?

Some things are obvious to those who will see them.

 

[bshole]

There are no obvious truths

But.... there are "better" and "worse" models of reality. In general, those who have a "better" model of reality tend to fare better.

My model of reality is pretty bad as I am one of the unwashed masses and not a privileged elite. Their model of reality is clearly superior to mine and I hate them for it..... mother fucking bastards......

 

[werepossum]

I respect their right to free speech (no matter how factual or ludicrous) under the first amendment which protects them from government censorship and people trying to subvert that right through violence, intimidation, extortion, etc.

Likewise I have the right to disrespect or criticize their free speech including poking fun at it like a political cartoon without having to worry about government reprisal or being physically attacked by those that can't handle the criticism.

This, exactly. I absolutely respect other people's right to have opinions based on their own values and whom they trust, and consider them equally valid to my own. I do not however necessarily respect the opinion itself.

Doesn't exactly fit the poll options though.

 

[zinfamous]

Is water wet? Is it a bright idea to make a policy of spending more money than you have/make? Is it smart to befriend people who hate you?

Some things are obvious to those who will see them.

so, like me, you agree that taking out a car loan and a mortgage are always terrible ideas.

:thumbsup:

(not that I agree on that with mortgages all of the time, but it's nice to see someone even more subversive than myself in that thought)

 

[mrjminer]

Generally, no. That's because most people are either crazy and/or stupid.

However, I do respect different opinions when someone actually has a good idea. I voted no, though, because of the sheer number of people whose opinions I disregard because they are obviously terrible.

 

[bshole]

so, like me, you agree that taking out a car loan and a mortgage are always terrible ideas.

:thumbsup:

(not that I agree on that with mortgages all of the time, but it's nice to see someone even more subversive than myself in that thought)

Don't know about that but I do know that having kids is a terrible idea. The amount of emotional pain they create is unimaginable to a happily single individual.

 

[ivwshane]

I rather have a few inner assholes posting on the internet than someone with the ability to silence those they disagree with using the threat of violence whatever form it may take under the guise of maintaining peace and civility for our own good, also known as the hecklers veto.

Hear fucking hear!!!

 

[bshole]

Generally, no. That's because most people are either crazy and/or stupid.

However, I do respect different opinions when someone actually has a good idea. I voted no, though, because of the sheer number of people whose opinions I disregard because they are obviously terrible.

Can you objectively prove that their opinions are terrible?

 

[Bart*Simpson]

so, like me, you agree that taking out a car loan and a mortgage are always terrible ideas.

:thumbsup:

(not that I agree on that with mortgages all of the time, but it's nice to see someone even more subversive than myself in that thought)

Yes, I avoid and eschew debt. Paid off our mortgage 12 years early and saved over $150,000 in interest. I pay cash for a new car or I don't buy it. And I am the only person in my immediate family who has never filed bankruptcy.

Life is so much better without having some debt hanging over your head.

 

[mrjminer]

Can you objectively prove that their opinions are terrible?

Yes

The problem is that they can't objectively look at their opinions as terrible.

 

[bshole]

Yes, I avoid and eschew debt. Paid off our mortgage 12 years early and saved over $150,000 in interest. I pay cash for a new car or I don't buy it. And I am the only person in my immediate family who has never filed bankruptcy.

Life is so much better without having some debt hanging over your head.

Yea but you are still going to die.

 

[NesuD]

i disagree, but i respect your opinion

Now here is an example. You by your own statement in fact do not respect his opinion. More accurately you respect his right to have an opinion that differs from yours. Respecting someones opinion and respecting their right to have a different opinion are two entirely different things. You can respect someones right to an opinion no matter how much you disagree with it. Unfortunately today that truth has gone by the wayside most of the time. You cannot base respecting someones right to have an opinion on to what degree you may disagree with it. You will never be able to open your mind until you can do that. Opinions will never change unless people listen to each other and to do that you have to accept others right to have a different opinion no matter what it may be.

 

[bshole]

Yes

The problem is that they can't objectively look at their opinions as terrible.

What I was getting at is that from a philosophical standpoint, it is utterly impossible to prove something like that.

 

[chucky2]

Yes, I respect others opinions. That doesn't mean I agree with them, find them LOLworthy, and/or think the person is an idiot/sucker for thinking believing what they believe. This isn't North Korea, people are still free to think for themselves here (well, unless you're in an extremist Blue or Red state, then you are encouraged to toe the 'line of truth').

 

[bshole]

Yes, I respect others opinions. That doesn't mean I agree with them, find them LOLworthy, and/or think the person is an idiot/sucker for thinking believing what they believe. This isn't North Korea, people are still free to think for themselves here (well, unless you're in an extremist Blue or Red state, then you are encouraged to toe the 'line of truth').

Actually you are not "free" to think for yourselves. That is robbed from you by your upbringing. You are brainwashed by your parents into a worldview. The vast majority of people retain that worldview and pass it on to their own children. When you argue with somebody, you are arguing with their parents/peers/pastors who indoctrinated them.

Worldviews are almost impossible to tear down because they involve the emotional part of your brain.

 

[dank69]

Yes, I avoid and eschew debt. Paid off our mortgage 12 years early and saved over $150,000 in interest. I pay cash for a new car or I don't buy it. And I am the only person in my immediate family who has never filed bankruptcy.

Life is so much better without having some debt hanging over your head.

Yet many of the richest individuals in the world take on debt to make even more money.

 

[chucky2]

Actually you are not "free" to think for yourselves. That is robbed from you by your upbringing. You are brainwashed by your parents into a worldview. The vast majority of people retain that worldview and pass it on to their own children. When you argue with somebody, you are arguing with their parents/peers/pastors who indoctrinated them.

Worldviews are almost impossible to tear down because they involve the emotional part of your brain.

Probably true for a lot of people. I tend to give people a fair shake, don't get caught up in the hype or baggage of peoples past/present. It's much better to see what Reality is for yourself and around you, formulate your view that way. Of course, one can't really do that about International matters (at least easily), but being open is a lot better than just an automatic response.

 

[zinfamous]

Yea but you are still going to die.

yeah well, that's just like, your opinion, man.