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do you really believe that we (the US) would go to war with Iran?
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Drakkon
Diamond Member
I think at this point we might as well. I'd rather have our guys fighting and dieing against a known enemy then going out daily into streets where guys shoot at them randomly. I'd also rather see this 2.4 trillion+ go into a war that ends up changing the middle east and so far all its been is a meat grinder and I imagine a war with Iran would bring in syria and lebanon, etc and then we'd have some real holy war world changing stuff going on.
Jaskalas
Lifer
I believe there will be a push for action on Iran, I somewhat doubt the Dems will go along with this and thus turn down any sort of declaration of war.
Even if we did go to war, I?d want someone other than Bush as President because I don?t buy into the whole ?spread Democracy? and rebuilding enemy nations ideology. Destroy them if they threaten us yes, but we cannot afford to rebuild them all.
The results are also not worth it, for all our blood spilled in Iraq, for our money (2 trillion when it's done) all we will accomplish is turning a Saddam style regime into an Iranian style regime. That is not victory to me, that is not worth it, and that only fosters more terrorism and nuclear proliferation. People left in ruins are too busy rebuilding to build nuclear weapons. The re-built Iraq will quickly ally with Iran and develop their own nuclear technology.
Even if we did go to war, I?d want someone other than Bush as President because I don?t buy into the whole ?spread Democracy? and rebuilding enemy nations ideology. Destroy them if they threaten us yes, but we cannot afford to rebuild them all.
The results are also not worth it, for all our blood spilled in Iraq, for our money (2 trillion when it's done) all we will accomplish is turning a Saddam style regime into an Iranian style regime. That is not victory to me, that is not worth it, and that only fosters more terrorism and nuclear proliferation. People left in ruins are too busy rebuilding to build nuclear weapons. The re-built Iraq will quickly ally with Iran and develop their own nuclear technology.
K1052
Elite Member
Doubtful and even if we did there would definitely be no invasion/ground troops.
Granted that air strikes alone could precipitate a ground war in the region. Covered with US air and sea power an Iranian invasion of Afghanistan and/or Iraq would go quite badly I think. The Iraqis nor Afghanis want the Iranians in their nations. Such an invasion might actually achieve the nigh on impossible goal of getting the fractious Iraqi politicians off their duffs and motivated.
Granted that air strikes alone could precipitate a ground war in the region. Covered with US air and sea power an Iranian invasion of Afghanistan and/or Iraq would go quite badly I think. The Iraqis nor Afghanis want the Iranians in their nations. Such an invasion might actually achieve the nigh on impossible goal of getting the fractious Iraqi politicians off their duffs and motivated.
Vonkhan
Diamond Member
I say invade pakistan instead of Iran
1. Deny OBL and his litter a safe haven
2. Deny the Taleban a staging ground for Afghanistan
3. Secure the nukes before some jihadists get 'em, otherwise it's only a matter of time before they do
4. India will take of the eastern border
1. Deny OBL and his litter a safe haven
2. Deny the Taleban a staging ground for Afghanistan
3. Secure the nukes before some jihadists get 'em, otherwise it's only a matter of time before they do
4. India will take of the eastern border
Gonad the Barbarian
Lifer
I think that was the plan all along. Roll into Iraq and use it as a staging ground for the "real" war with Iran. Getting bogged down in Iraq obviously upset that plan, but with the 'tards that are running things I'm not sure it has been completely taken off the table.
bamacre
Lifer
It is quite possible they will try to play Iran just as they did Iraq. If so, it would be some time before we see an invasion, but we could see some bombing until then.
If Hillary wins, PNAC will pressure her to continue making Iran look bad, just as they did when Bill was president in regards to Iraq. Then when we have another PNAC tool in office, we would see an invasion.
StageLeft
No Lifer
How is the US going to secure Pakistan's nukes without Pakistan firing some off for fun first?
Maybe, but with 30% of that public still approving of Bush, anything's possible. All we need is 20 of the remaining 70% to be tricked into supporting it and suddenly the majority are calling for it. I think it's safe to say that with enough silly statements and false evidence the public could be tricked again.
The public may not want another Iraq, but they are still out for blood. If the gov can pull what it thought to do spurring a war with Cuba (forget what it was called, but pretty damning evidence of the US government definitely planning, if not carrying out, ways to encourage American support where it otherwise wouldn't have been), maybe everyone will jump on board. All we need is a satellite image of a "nascent nuclear weapons facility" followed by planes taking it out and then an Iranian reaction where it decides to fire on a US warship because it has nothing else to do and then the public will grab their pitchforks.
Semantics. I suspect that if Russia sent some bombers over Alaska to take out some nuclear sites you'd be calling it an act of war, since it is one.
We are at war with Iran already. If you do not understand this you do not read the news. Iran sends aid to the al qaeda in both Afghanistan and Iraq. To top it off Iran also sent both aid and soldiers into Lebanon so that their puppets the Hezbolah can attack Isreal and destabilize Lebanon. Iran hates Lebanon because they have embraced Democracy or sort of. Democracy is the enemy of Muslim Facist regimes.
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