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Do you need to believe in Jesus to be saved?

I believe that you need to believe in Jesus and that he died on the cross for our sins to go to Heaven.. I'm not a big religous person, I just believe Jesus is the son of god and he died on the cross for our sins.. Nothing else, just a plain ol' Christian.
-- mrcodedude
 
i believe that if there was a god (that's a big if, imho), he'd be rational enough not to send otherwise good people to hell.
 
well, if believing in Jesus is what will get you to heaven, and heaven is where all the christians go, i'd rather be in hell.
 

According to the Bible, one must accept the forgiveness that Christ extended when he died on the cross in order to be saved.

I assume you subscribe to the notion that salvation is a prerequisite for some sort of eternal life. I do this because that idea is prevalent so excuse me if I am in error. Also, I must quote the following:

John 17:2-3 "For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

The belief held over the falsity or veridicality of an assertion is not in itself something sufficient and I will claim necessary for the acquisition of eternal life. Knowledge seems to be required. What sort of knowledge? The Greek word is ginosko, implying not a belief or a proposition but an immanent knowledge of that.

The belief held is not sufficient in itself and is a preliminary stage of faith. Knowledge of the sort meant there is required. Of course that is not to say that that is all eternal life is but it certainly meets sufficiency conditions.

So to answer your question more directly, given the existence of salvation, a belief in a Jesus or His forgiveness is not necessary for eternal life and since the salvation is often seen as one step in the grand plan or scheme of things of achieving eternal life. What does seem to be necessary-and-sufficient is knowledge, but of a paricular kind.

Cheers ! 🙂
 


<< Do you think one needs to believe in Jesus to not go to hell? >>




No, but I think I need to believe in myself to not lead a "life like hell".

 
Why are all you non-religious bigots coming into this post?

By asking this I'm assuming he's a Christian and is looking for an answer based on Biblical information.

Everyone else is just wasting their time.
 


<< Why are all you non-religious bigots coming into this post?

By asking this I'm assuming he's a Christian and is looking for an answer based on Biblical information.

Everyone else is just wasting their time. >>


What makes you think that? Perhaps he wanted an honest answer, instead of religious propaganda.
 


<< What makes you think that? Perhaps he wanted an honest answer, instead of religious propaganda. >>


So without a God/Higher Power you believed there's a way to be saved and to be lost?

Please explain.
 


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<< What makes you think that? Perhaps he wanted an honest answer, instead of religious propaganda. >>


So without a God/Higher Power you believed there's a way to be saved and to be lost?

Please explain. >>

This whole idea of getting 'saved' is irrational. Every single religion has a similar concept, thereby effectively canceling out each other.

Religious ideologies are irrational. Period. In fact, every single ideology is (partially) irrational.
 


<< This whole idea of getting 'saved' is irrational. Every single religion has a similar concept, thereby effectively canceling out each other.

Religious ideologies are irrational. Period. In fact, every single ideology is (partially) irrational. >>


But he's not asking whether the whole idea is rational or irrational.
 


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<< This whole idea of getting 'saved' is irrational. Every single religion has a similar concept, thereby effectively canceling out each other.

Religious ideologies are irrational. Period. In fact, every single ideology is (partially) irrational. >>


But he's not asking whether the whole idea is rational or irrational. >>

No, he's asking for an honest answer. So people give an honest answer. What's your problem with that?

BTW, if 'gods' do indeed exist, they'll be unrelated to any religious ideology.
 
Yet another religious thread that will resolve nothing. The only reason I see for this is to incite flaming. Everyone has their own beliefs and nothing will change them, at least not here. I wonder if the Mods should lock these things right away for a while until people get it.


NART!!!!!! NART!!!!!!
 
I guess I'm just not understanding this.

If a person doesn't believe in a God or a Heaven, then why would they care about being saved? What would they be saved from? Where would they go? What is "saved" to them?
 


<< Yet another religious thread that will resolve nothing. The only reason I see for this is to incite flaming. Everyone has their own beliefs and nothing will change them, at least not here. I wonder if the Mods should lock these things right away for a while until people get it.


NART!!!!!! NART!!!!!! >>



I agree....but sadly this is what off topic is all about. These threads usually get the flame throwers out and thus the most responses.
 
This whole idea of getting 'saved' is irrational. Every single religion has a similar concept, thereby effectively canceling out each other.

Ehmm... Now let me see here. Linuxboyanity is a religion and it does not have a similar concept so your assertion is false. Also, would not a universal similarity speak of some similar experience humans have and possibly thus having rationality within its system. Do not assume you are right because then you will be wrong.

"effective cancelation" is done with a reductio ad absurdum, that is the assertion of something and its negation. With the assertion of something that is similar, where is the negation?

Cheers ! 🙂
 
It has been suggested to me that their might be a form of perception in which time as we know it does not exist. In such a state an eternity can pass in a single instant. By such an understanding the kingdom of heaven, everlasting life, may be more literally within us than we would ordinarily suspect. But by the same token, what hell is would also have a rather surprising and unsettling contemporainity.
 
I am the threadstarter and I don't believe in God or Jesus.

I don't wish for any type of eternal life after I die -- heaven or hell -- I would very much prefer to simply not exist anymore, similar to the way it was before I was born.
 
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