Do you like "soap opera" effect on your TV?

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Kaido

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No, I hate it - I absolutely HATE it. I make it a point to turn it off on every display model I see & any time I see it enabled at a home or business. It looks terrible. As a filmmaker, it makes me want to break things :mad:
 
Kaido

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Red Squirrel said:
First time I hear of this. So basically you just turn the brightness up? lol

I think the normal looks better, at least in a room with less light.
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No, it's a different effect. Have you ever seen a show shot in PAL for Europe, where the framerate is off? It's kind of like that. Or rather, it makes everything look like COPS, or like commercials, rather than a movie. It makes it very apparently everyone is acting. I find it SUPER annoying. HFR 3D has the same effect...you can tell people are on a set rather than getting sucked into the dreamword of the movie.
 
MongGrel

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Had never even heard of it.

Might be useful depending on what you are watching, I don't think I'd like it in general.

I'll go depends.
 
master_shake_

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Kaido said:
A lot of people like it for games, which I think is fine:

http://30vs60.com/

I just feel that it has no place in movies. This is a sample video from Reddit, not the best example, but it looks freaky weird. I don't like it at all!

https://youtu.be/MbiOazijZVQ?t=97
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the 60 fps for games looks great.

the 60 fps for tv shows and movies....not so much.

i do see what you mean.

it has a more real life feel it's good and bad depends on the content.
 
WelshBloke

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Kaido said:
No, it's a different effect. Have you ever seen a show shot in PAL for Europe, where the framerate is off? It's kind of like that. Or rather, it makes everything look like COPS, or like commercials, rather than a movie. It makes it very apparently everyone is acting. I find it SUPER annoying. HFR 3D has the same effect...you can tell people are on a set rather than getting sucked into the dreamword of the movie.
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I'm the opposite. I hate when I go to the movies and the camera does a slow pan and it's so jerky or when there's some fast action and it looks like a bunch of static frames.

I don't get the love for the crappy framerate that movies has. Just because it's something crappy that we have got used to doesn't mean that we should stick with it.
 
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darkswordsman17

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I don't like the fake way of doing it, but I do want content that is actually at higher framerates.

With movies, there's nothing preventing them from adjusting the framerate as they see fit for the scene. It's just plain fucking stupid to still be stuck at 24fps though.

Personally I'd much rather up the framerate than the resolution at this point. If nothing else start small, move to 30fps, and then work so that newer displays can manage framerates better so that we can get more granularity, so people can make whatever framerate they want.
 
Kaido

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master_shake_ said:
the 60 fps for games looks great.

the 60 fps for tv shows and movies....not so much.

i do see what you mean.

it has a more real life feel it's good and bad depends on the content.
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It's easier to see on a big TV set when you're watching a movie. It makes everything look like it was filmed on a cheap home camera. Looks really bad to me :thumbsdown:
 
Kaido

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WelshBloke said:
I'm the opposite. I hate when I go to the movies and the camera does a slow pan and it's so jerky or when there's some fast action and it looks like a bunch of static frames.

I don't get the love for the crappy framerate that movies has. Just because it's something crappy that we have got used to doesn't mean that we should stick with it.
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I agree, 24 FPS is not without its drawbacks. But I'll take 24 FPS over 48 FPS any day, or over any of this Auto/Smooth-Motion garbage that they're applying to TV sets these days. I think part of it has to do with how the director wants it to look. For example, Avatar looked phenomenal in 3D because it was made for 3D, but a lot of other 3D shows do the cookie-cutter trick to get 3D after they film in 2D & it just looks like crap.

Although even then, it depends. I saw one of the Hobbit movies in HFR 3D. The 3D itself looked amazing - super bright, amazing depth & clarity, but you could tell it was people, on set, acting. Didn't have that ghosting effect that 24p uses to cover it up. So I'm hoping they'll find something that is a mix...still takes your focus off the "they're just acting!" aspect, but solves some of the problems of traditional 24fps cinematography.
 
master_shake_

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Kaido said:
It's easier to see on a big TV set when you're watching a movie. It makes everything look like it was filmed on a cheap home camera. Looks really bad to me :thumbsdown:
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im sure that live sports would look better at 60fps.

like i said it depends on the content.
 
WelshBloke

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Kaido said:
I agree, 24 FPS is not without its drawbacks. But I'll take 24 FPS over 48 FPS any day, or over any of this Auto/Smooth-Motion garbage that they're applying to TV sets these days. I think part of it has to do with how the director wants it to look. For example, Avatar looked phenomenal in 3D because it was made for 3D, but a lot of other 3D shows do the cookie-cutter trick to get 3D after they film in 2D & it just looks like crap.
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I agree that the hacks they have to do to try to fix the limitations of 24fps aren't ideal but until the movie industry moves with the times we are stuck with them.

Kaido said:
Although even then, it depends. I saw one of the Hobbit movies in HFR 3D. The 3D itself looked amazing - super bright, amazing depth & clarity, but you could tell it was people, on set, acting. Didn't have that ghosting effect that 24p uses to cover it up. So I'm hoping they'll find something that is a mix...still takes your focus off the "they're just acting!" aspect, but solves some of the problems of traditional 24fps cinematography.
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I don't really get the high framerate stuff looking more fake. To me it looks like the same film but one that doesn't have a headache inducing jaggyness to it.
I suppose a crappy framerate and lots of judder would take your mind off any bad sets and dodgy acting if that's what you mean.
 
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darkswordsman17

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Kaido said:
It's easier to see on a big TV set when you're watching a movie. It makes everything look like it was filmed on a cheap home camera. Looks really bad to me :thumbsdown:
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That's because that's when it's at its worst since movies are at a lower framerate than just about anything else (exception being games but that's very noticeable then and typically games aren't stuck at 24fps). Also depends on how they do the interpolation, and if it's still displaying only at 60fps then you'll also get some judder.
 
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Kaido said:
It's easier to see on a big TV set when you're watching a movie. It makes everything look like it was filmed on a cheap home camera. Looks really bad to me :thumbsdown:
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WelshBloke said:
I agree that the hacks they have to do to try to fix the limitations of 24fps aren't ideal but until the movie industry moves with the times we are stuck with them.



I don't really get the high framerate stuff looking more fake. To me it looks like the same film but one that doesn't have a headache inducing jaggyness to it.
I suppose a crappy framerate and lots of judder would take your mind off any bad sets and dodgy acting if that's what you mean.
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I think that right now the issue is that right now it's just interpolation which is why it looks so bad. Actual content at higher framerates looks a lot better (although that depends too, as heavily CGI'ed stuff has the potential to look worse), especially anything with motion.

Another part of this is just the technology of the TV. There are different ways of interpolation, and you also have to remember this is largely LCDs which have issues with motion fluidity already. Add to that all the processing that TVs tend to do and in order for this to work we need content to actually be shot at higher framerates.
 
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mizzou

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It's a gimmick and is basically visual trickery. 60FPS native is fine. Motionplus is a complete turnoff. It's one of those things that some people may not even realize they are watching, and when they find out, they get pissed.
 
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WelshBloke said:
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I don't really get the high framerate stuff looking more fake. To me it looks like the same film but one that doesn't have a headache inducing jaggyness to it.
I suppose a crappy framerate and lots of judder would take your mind off any bad sets and dodgy acting if that's what you mean.
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that's because you live in the UK ;)
 
Fingolfin269

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If given a choice between a tv with soap opera effect or no tv at all its a no brainer. No tv for me.
 
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