Do you know how to amend The Constitution?

[spidey07]

Just chatting with my girl and going back and forth on how to amend The Constitution. From what I can tell, and I'm no constitutional expert, the people/states can indeed do it. BRILLIANT! The discussion revolved around the federal legislative branch and the role of the states and their say. The bit about the 21st is particularly interesting.

Please don't just attack the source as this was what google gave me.
http://fwcon.wordpress.com/200...mend-the-constitution/

"We have never had a constitutional convention since the one in 1787. All the amendments to that constitution have been passed through congress and through the state legislatures, except one. The 21st amendment bypassed the state legislatures and was ratified by conventions in the states."

 

[brxndxn]

Okay.. I say we begin one to legalize marijuana.. Then, we can use that to get the black community support behind the liberty movement.. Then, we can end the Fed, secure our borders, end our stupid foreign policy, end all our alliances, and drastically reduce the size of the government.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
Okay.. I say we begin one to legalize marijuana.. Then, we can use that to get the black community support behind the liberty movement.. Then, we can end the Fed, secure our borders, end our stupid foreign policy, end all our alliances, and drastically reduce the size of the government.

Well if you can get enough support, it sounds like you can do that.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
Okay.. I say we begin one to legalize marijuana.. Then, we can use that to get the black community support behind the liberty movement.. Then, we can end the Fed, secure our borders, end our stupid foreign policy, end all our alliances, and drastically reduce the size of the government.

Yes, like making assumptions like the "Black Community" smoke pot is going to make them want to join southern racists and Republicans to dismantle the country.

This is pretty high on the stupid comments I have ever seen here.

 

[MrMatt]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: brxndxn
Okay.. I say we begin one to legalize marijuana.. Then, we can use that to get the black community support behind the liberty movement.. Then, we can end the Fed, secure our borders, end our stupid foreign policy, end all our alliances, and drastically reduce the size of the government.

Yes, like making assumptions like the "Black Community" smoke pot is going to make them want to join southern racists and Republicans to dismantle the country.

This is pretty high on the stupid comments I have ever seen here.

LMAO legalizing marijuana is a sure way to get black support, as all african american's keep their fingers on the pulse of the drug community.

 

[spidey07]

Lovely how what I considered to be some pretty cool stuff about how government works, what say we have in it, ability to change our Constitution could turn to this.

Please stay on topic.

 

[glenn1]

We wouldn't need a constitutional convention if we simply demanded the 10th Amendment actually be followed.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: MrMatt

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: brxndxn
Okay.. I say we begin one to legalize marijuana.. Then, we can use that to get the black community support behind the liberty movement.. Then, we can end the Fed, secure our borders, end our stupid foreign policy, end all our alliances, and drastically reduce the size of the government.

Yes, like making assumptions like the "Black Community" smoke pot is going to make them want to join southern racists and Republicans to dismantle the country.

This is pretty high on the stupid comments I have ever seen here.

LMAO legalizing marijuana is a sure way to get black support, as all african american's keep their fingers on the pulse of the drug community.

Thanks for making my point as to why AA community will never have anything to do with Republicans or their fellow travellers as a whole.

Spidey, fair enough, it is a interesting subject I agree but the steaming pile of trollbait crap in here a few posts above kinda ruined it.

 

[Vic]

Article V

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

 

[TruePaige]

Well heck, if it can stop the war on drugs and legalize marijuana, let us get to it.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: MrMatt

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: brxndxn
Okay.. I say we begin one to legalize marijuana.. Then, we can use that to get the black community support behind the liberty movement.. Then, we can end the Fed, secure our borders, end our stupid foreign policy, end all our alliances, and drastically reduce the size of the government.

Yes, like making assumptions like the "Black Community" smoke pot is going to make them want to join southern racists and Republicans to dismantle the country.

This is pretty high on the stupid comments I have ever seen here.

LMAO legalizing marijuana is a sure way to get black support, as all african american's keep their fingers on the pulse of the drug community.

Sarcasm, troll, or WTF?

 

[Carmen813]

"Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article;"

Hehe...the founders were genius.' Without even reading what that first and fourth clause of the ninth section are, I can bet it was to avoid a controversy about a serious issue. Go look it up and get back to us with what it was.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Vic

Article V

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

That's the meat. But I was scratching my head on the actual meaning of it. There seem to be four paths for amendment.

1) Congress pass, state convention ratify
2) Congress pass, state legislature ratify
3) State convention pass, state legislature ratify
4) State legislature pass, state convention ratify

At no point does the executive branch have any say. And it is my understanding that we don't even need Congress.

 

[brxndxn]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: brxndxn
Okay.. I say we begin one to legalize marijuana.. Then, we can use that to get the black community support behind the liberty movement.. Then, we can end the Fed, secure our borders, end our stupid foreign policy, end all our alliances, and drastically reduce the size of the government.

Yes, like making assumptions like the "Black Community" smoke pot is going to make them want to join southern racists and Republicans to dismantle the country.

This is pretty high on the stupid comments I have ever seen here.

It's pretty obvious my statement wasn't meant to be taken 100% seriously. But, the black community is overwhelmingly the one that is jailed for marijuana and other drug use. Of course, any time you state any sort of group of any people, you are making a generalization. So, I made one.. and there are flaws with it. But, adding 'southern racists' in there for the liberty movement for your retort, you do the same thing you argue against.

But then again, to get support of any group in politics, you need to make assumptions about it.

The liberty movement needs support from any person it can get.. regardless of the group or groups they come from..

 

[bamacre]

It is ironic that marijuana is mentioned here.

The Constitution had to be amended to prohibit alcohol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...ed_States_Constitution

Where is the amendment that prohibited marijuana, and other drugs?

There isn't one.

You don't need to amend the Constitution to legalize marijuana. We just need to follow it.

 

[First]

lmao.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Evan
lmao.

Am I completely off base?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Carmen813
"Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article;"

Hehe...the founders were genius.' Without even reading what that first and fourth clause of the ninth section are, I can bet it was to avoid a controversy about a serious issue. Go look it up and get back to us with what it was.

Article. I.
Section. 9.

[1]The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
...
[4]No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

Clause 1 says no amendment can prohibit the importation of slaves prior to 1808.

Clause 4 refers to imposing a head tax before a census is completed. The wording is arcane enough that it might also be saying that any direct tax has to be in proportion to the population count as provided by a census, and that such a tax can't be levied prior to a census. The wording is confusing enough that my interpretation might be wrong.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: bamacre
It is ironic that marijuana is mentioned here.

The Constitution had to be amended to prohibit alcohol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...ed_States_Constitution

Where is the amendment that prohibited marijuana, and other drugs?

There isn't one.

You don't need to amend the Constitution to legalize marijuana. We just need to follow it.

Whoa, careful now. Following the Constitution? Surely you jest.