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Do you know anyone that gets freebies?

SagaLore

SagaLore

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Separate poll, spawned from this thread

People are either for or against social programs. I'm wondering how their opinion relates to observability.

edit: I'm refering to government programs, not faith/nonprofit based initiatives.
 
I know someone that abuse the system.
after 9/11, they claimed they are out of job because of that. the gov't or the state paid their mortgage for about 10 months. they also claimed that the AC was broken by the ashes from the WTC towers. They got another $1000ish to purchase a new AC + air purifier. instead, they paid for a "recipt" for cash. oh...that was my uncle and aunt. they have the balls to brag about it as well.
 
Of course, I can name quite a few that get freebies and don't use it for the intended reasons or abuse.

One friend gets a full financial aid package, but lives at home and declares she lives off campus. She pockets the rest of the money and blows it on worthless things. While I'm borrowing money and working to get to the same point she is at.
 
I've dealt with many people on social programs and some people seemed like they needed, rather than abusing it. However, Amused made a good point that before the '60s, when a lot of "socialistic" programs were developed, people were starving in the streets.
 
You have to look no further than the depression to see what happened to people and the untolded suffering further perpetuated by a gov't, that although elected by the people, chose to abandon the very citizens who placed them in power.
 
I know someone who was married, on welfare for years, her husband worked, she didnt... then welfare reform came along and she was all pissed that she had to get a job. Boo-hoo, and she complained loudly to everyone who would listen. Lazy family members :|
 
Desy states

You have to look no further than the depression to see what happened to people and the untolded suffering further perpetuated by a gov't, that although elected by the people, chose to abandon the very citizens who placed them in power.

I don't quite follow. I don't think the government has a duty to care for me in the sense that they should guarantee me a job or even a specific standard of living. As a voting public we've changed the role we want government to play over time, sure.
 
Originally posted by: cipher00
Desy states

You have to look no further than the depression to see what happened to people and the untolded suffering further perpetuated by a gov't, that although elected by the people, chose to abandon the very citizens who placed them in power.

I don't quite follow. I don't think the government has a duty to care for me in the sense that they should guarantee me a job or even a specific standard of living. As a voting public we've changed the role we want government to play over time, sure.
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That's a good point. I hear a lot of debate about President Bush not creating enough jobs or the loss of jobs because of him... but I wonder, what executive policy can possibly be made that has any impact at all on job creation/loss other than to keep more money in the economy? How does one equate tax breaks (even if they did go to the top 10%) to job losses? If rich people are keeping more money, do they go on a firing spree?

What responsibility does the government have at all for effecting employment? The capitalist system is self perpetuating, and works best when it balances itself...

sorry going off a tangent, just something I thought about...
 
yeap my father-in-law is on Social Security Disability.

He was hurt in Vietnam. had ot have multiple surgery's on his back. about 5 years ago he just could not work anymore.

Trust me when i say he WANTS to be working he was making at least 3 times what he is on SS. Now they struggle to make ends meet.

Yes my mother-in-law works (Granted only about 20 hours a week) they also do Foster care (not a lot of money in that. just enough to feed/clothe the kids) and they breed dogs.
 
Originally posted by: Red
I've dealt with many people on social programs and some people seemed like they needed, rather than abusing it. However, Amused made a good point that before the '60s, when a lot of "socialistic" programs were developed, people were starving in the streets.
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Um, no

Before the implimentation of welfare in the 60s there were NO people starving in the streets. Charity more than filled the bill of providing the most basic needs for people down on their luck.

Welfare and the rest of LBJ's failed "Great Society" program was bill as an "end to poverty." It has done nothing of the sort. If anything, it has made poverty more generational.
 
Originally posted by: waggy
yeap my father-in-law is on Social Security Disability.

He was hurt in Vietnam. had ot have multiple surgery's on his back. about 5 years ago he just could not work anymore.

Trust me when i say he WANTS to be working he was making at least 3 times what he is on SS. Now they struggle to make ends meet.

Yes my mother-in-law works (Granted only about 20 hours a week) they also do Foster care (not a lot of money in that. just enough to feed/clothe the kids) and they breed dogs.
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One of the few programs I think should stay, as long as it's given to those who really do need it. My father-in-law is also on Social Security Disability, but only because of a technicality.
 
Both of my Grandpas are retired veterans of WWII. They deserve the money they are getting. One was an Island Hopper in the Pacific. The other serverd in France and Germany.
 
Wheres the Yes I used to be on it option.

My wife and I were in the WIC program with our second child. It helped pay for formula, baby food, milk and cheese for him and our daughter. We also used state provided health insuranse for my wife during her pregnancy because we were not married at the timeand she was not covered under my policy. As the father I had to pay $2500 back to the state for that and had no problem doing so.

We curently have no health insurance but have applied for the state sanctioned insurance. If we are accepted we will use the state insurance for emergency use only as we aren't the type to take the kids in for every sniffle. We are not on any other assistance programs. I lost my job last April and started my own business last june and have been doing ok so far. We have to pay for our own health insurance now so we can't afford it unless my wife starts working full time somewhere. With a 2 and 3 year old that would be pointless as her paycheck would go to daycare. Once the kids are in school and my business is doing better I'm sure it will all change. Till then we are getting by as best we can.

I think there is a great use for assistance programs when they are not abused. Unfortunately there are people who will always abuse the system because they are lazy.
 
I didn't say they needed to provide a job, the role of gov't is to provide a business climate where jobs are created. In the 30's people did starve despite 'charity' as so many love about.
The gov't chose to have balanced budget legislation over peoples lives.
The 30's were a disaster and should have been treated as such. Its why you have a federal gov't to pick up the slack in cases of national best interest.
This gov't has chosen to go trillions in debt, the same that decry the pitance spent on social programs have no problems with the Trillions spent on smoke and mirrors in Iraq.

You will always find anecdotal evidence to show the abuses but they are NOT the MAJORITY nor a source of gov't mispending .
Youwant to address gov't waste adress the doubling of the prison population since 90 on BS war on drugs and tell me how incarcerating over a million Xtra people and burdening the prison system is improving the standard of life for the avg American
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red
I've dealt with many people on social programs and some people seemed like they needed, rather than abusing it. However, Amused made a good point that before the '60s, when a lot of "socialistic" programs were developed, people were starving in the streets.
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Um, no

Before the implimentation of welfare in the 60s there were NO people starving in the streets. Charity more than filled the bill of providing the most basic needs for people down on their luck.

Welfare and the rest of LBJ's failed "Great Society" program was bill as an "end to poverty." It has done nothing of the sort. If anything, it has made poverty more generational.
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I thought what Red stated you said sounded wierd.
 
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Citrix
My sister.

im glad that she is because im not supporting her or her lazy ass husband.
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Sure you are, it's called taxes.
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you are right, but ill gladly pay that 1/100 of a cent to governement programs for her. no way in hell am i going to mail her a few hundred bucks a month. She made her bed she has to sleep in it.
 
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Citrix
My sister.

im glad that she is because im not supporting her or her lazy ass husband.
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Sure you are, it's called taxes.
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you are right, but ill gladly pay that 1/100 of a cent to governement programs for her. no way in hell am i going to mail her a few hundred bucks a month. She made her bed she has to sleep in it.
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My in-laws are all on some form of public assistance, and they still ask us for money. I eventually put a stop to it. Wasn't too happy about the time Visa sent a card to my wife via her maiden name at the old address, and they used it for cash advances and maxed out the $2k credit limit in a few months. Didn't tell her about it until collection agencies were calling us looking for payments since late fees and over limit fees put it another $1k over. And if you're familiar with cash advances, that's about 30% interest.
 
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Citrix
My sister.

im glad that she is because im not supporting her or her lazy ass husband.
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Sure you are, it's called taxes.
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you are right, but ill gladly pay that 1/100 of a cent to governement programs for her. no way in hell am i going to mail her a few hundred bucks a month. She made her bed she has to sleep in it.
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My in-laws are all on some form of public assistance, and they still ask us for money. I eventually put a stop to it. Wasn't too happy about the time Visa sent a card to my wife via her maiden name at the old address, and they used it for cash advances and maxed out the $2k credit limit in a few months. Didn't tell her about it until collection agencies were calling us looking for payments since late fees and over limit fees put it another $1k over. And if you're familiar with cash advances, that's about 30% interest.
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And i would be fighting that with Visa. Not to mention Sueing the crap out of the in-laws.
doing something to mess up someones credit is bad. it takes a LONG time to get something like that fixed.
 
While I belive that many of these programs have their place, it is painfuly obvious that we need some form of education to get people off of them at some point. I know of generations of families that have been on welfare and have no plans on stopping.
 
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