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DCal430

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Median wages in the U.S is significantly higher than most countries, this causes military expenditure to greatly increase as we must pay our military more. We also have far more people than almost any other country, again driving up the cost.

Stupid to think we should have a military the size of the UK and pay as low China. Beyond stupid.
 

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so 400 billion is not enough to help people pay for the aca...

its sure as hell a good start...

whatever...
 

DCal430

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Most European countries aren't like the US if we look at similar countries and expand for population it would only be around 300 billion savings, again not nearly enough as we would need around 2 trillion for Universal Healthcare that is similar to Canada.
 

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Bying health insurance is nothing. When you use health insurance and you find your medicine is not on the list and it costs 3 times the normal amount that is a shock. Then you find your doctor is out of network and then all the better hospitals are out of network also. Then the insurance company will tell you that certain care is not covered by the insurance, and they will not pay for it. All kinds of things can go wrong if you are not careful.
 

werepossum

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Odd, there's no mention of that in the news anywhere (and that would be pretty big news, considering the vast majority of businesses are fewer than 50 employees). Additionally there is no mention of that on their website and they continue to boast their offering of plans for employers of all sizes.

Mind sharing the text of their notification with us? Something doesn't add up.
Just got a minute but wanted to follow up with this. I think we've got some bad information. A couple months ago BCBS-TN announced that none of its small business policies would be extended. We were subsequently warned by our broker (NOT BCBS) that BCBS-TN was dropping all its small business policies and we would have to look elsewhere. Our COO was told the same thing by someone at BCBS - but not someone at the policy level, just someone mid-level working at the headquarters. Lou said she has not seen anything from BCBS on this. I've been at a job site most of the day, but I got a phone call from a specialty contractor who has a similarly sized business and asked him about his policy. His BCBS policy renewed first of this year and he had to get an ACA-compliant policy, cost him about 30% more but it's BCBS. I don't think BCBS would renew clients in January if they planned on dropping all small business coverage - they would incur all the costs of training on the new regulations and requirements with no revenue stream. Lou said we've had no cancellation notice from BCBS and since our policy runs out end of June, she's assuming we will still be offered insurance, just a more expensive ACA-compliant policy. I don't know if ours will increase 30% since we have different demographics and his is not a HSA plan, but if so I think we can swing that. (Though it isn't my decision, I can weigh in on it.)

So bottom line, I think I was wrong. I suspect someone (maybe the same someone) confused "BCBS-TN will not extend any small business policies" to mean "BCBS-TN will not offer any small business policies". That actually makes more sense as BCBS-TN would be suffering the costs of maintaining two separate management streams for the same income, whereas by ending small business policies BCBS-TN would lose a lot of revenue. And being a not-for-profit, the revenue stream has to equal to cost so there's no reason to cut it. (Although oddly enough, we were given a reason - the ACA limitations make the policies unable to break even. I now suspect that is mere speculation. Anyway, our office manager isn't freaking out about it anymore so I'm stopping freaking out. (Our broker is still freaking out, but that's not my problem.)

Here's the announcement I have seen on the matter. http://timesfreepress.com/news/2013/dec/10/bluecross-opts-not-to-extend-small-employer/?business
While Tennessee's biggest health insurer will give individual policy holders another year before they must come under the requirements of the new health reform law, small businesses facing cancellations will not be granted the same reprieve.

BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee announced Monday that it will not offer small group customers -- 50 or fewer employees -- the same extension option because BlueCross allowed early renewal this year to let businesses opt to keep their existing plans through most of 2014.

BlueCross vice president Roy Vaughn said last week that the company "had many, many of our groups" take advantage of the early renewal this fall to stay ahead of the changes. Those employers won't come under the new and often more expensive requirements of the so-called ObamaCare law until next fall.

But many of those small employers who have not renewed early are facing double-digit premium increases for 2014.

"I would have loved it if they had extended the health plans another year, but I certainly understand why they did not," said Russ Blakely, longtime Chattanooga health insurance broker. Extending the policies into fall of 2015 would be "nearly impossible to underwrite," he said.

"Basically, you've created two entirely different rating methodologies," he said. "It would be really, really hard to manage."

The new extensions will apply to individual plans through BlueCross with renewal dates from Jan. 1, 2014 to Oct. 1, 2014 can keep their current health plans for another year.

While approximately 66,000 people with BlueCross coverage faced cancellations of their policies, the extension will mean an estimated 50,000 of those people will be offered the extension option.

Approximately 16,000 people covered through the state's insurance program CoverTN -- which is administered by BlueCross -- will not have their policies extended, state officials announced at the end of November.

The extensions followed a wave of outrage from those who found that their policies were not permitted under the Affordable Care Act.

President Barack Obama later said he would allow states to extend those policies one more year, and the Tennessee Department of Commerce and Insurance followed suit, a move BlueCross said it supported.

"These plans have provided high-quality coverage that has met our customers' needs," said Bill Gracey, BlueCross president and CEO. "We expect many of them will welcome the opportunity to renew their coverage for another year."

Those members will need to keep the exact same level of benefits and renewal dates in order to qualify for the extensions, the BlueCross said.

This was about a month or two before we were told that BCBS-TN would not offer small business policies. My understanding from this article was that we would be unable to extend our old policy (the one that we liked and that President Obama promised us we could keep) but not that we would be unable to get a BCBS policy. I think now that this understanding was correct and our later information was FUD. So I apologize to all for apparently spreading FUD. :(

I think by law they are required to give us thirty days notice, so at least I'll know by end of May.
 

Strk

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Most European countries aren't like the US if we look at similar countries and expand for population it would only be around 300 billion savings, again not nearly enough as we would need around 2 trillion for Universal Healthcare that is similar to Canada.

If you take all private money out of healthcare (what individuals and corporations pay) and just go with government, we go from 1 to 4. Those numbers also reflect before Obamacare, which adds subsidies to the system.
 

DCal430

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If you take all private money out of healthcare (what individuals and corporations pay) and just go with government, we go from 1 to 4. Those numbers also reflect before Obamacare, which adds subsidies to the system.

Even if you take all of the money we currently spend, add in the government subsidy for ACA, Even if you cut defense in half and had that to the healthcare, it would still NOT be enough for universal healthcare. We need to look at similar countries, and on a per person and GDP% expenditure it isn't enough.

We still need to raise taxes to pay for Universal Healthcare.
 

Strk

Lifer
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Even if you take all of the money we currently spend, add in the government subsidy for ACA, Even if you cut defense in half and had that to the healthcare, it would still NOT be enough for universal healthcare. We need to look at similar countries, and on a per person and GDP% expenditure it isn't enough.

We still need to raise taxes to pay for Universal Healthcare.

Only if you do nothing about the costs. The biggest joke is we don't spend that much more on hospital care, but we spend three times the average on administrative costs and ambulatory care.
 

werepossum

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+1 for honesty.
Hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I won't know for sure until end of May, but with what I've found so far I'm pretty sure I'm wrong, so I may as well say so now and avoid the rush. If it happens to be true it's no skin off my nose, and if as it looks now I'm wrong at least I'll have been wrong for two months less. :D

This is also a case where I'm happy to be wrong. At our board meeting things were looking pretty grim. If it's just a premium increase, well, ain't many years without those anyway. Also, we were looking at six months out of pocket deductible, then the second half of the year starting over with a new out of pocket deductible. If we can stay with BCBS, hopefully our out of pocket spending for the first six months will count for the year even though it's a different policy. Win-win or win-lose versus lose-lose.
 

DCal430

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Only if you do nothing about the costs. The biggest joke is we don't spend that much more on hospital care, but we spend three times the average on administrative costs and ambulatory care.

Please educate your self on the issue before you type. Even if we lowered cost to levels seen in Canada and the UK it wouldn't be nearly enough. Not even close.
 

Strk

Lifer
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Please educate your self on the issue before you type. Even if we lowered cost to levels seen in Canada and the UK it wouldn't be nearly enough. Not even close.

How would it not be enough money if the government already spends more than Canada and the UK per capita?